Is Kim Davis wrong? Or is the Supreme Ct wrong about requiring acceptance of same-sex "marriage"?

[TemplarKormac]

If a judge orders President Obama to follow a law- and he refuses to follow the judges order- then Congress can impeach him.

But then again, that will never happen. Because simply put, he's the only Government official in America who can skirt the law and get away with it while casting judgements on those who do the same thing.

 

[NYcarbineer]

If a judge orders President Obama to follow a law- and he refuses to follow the judges order- then Congress can impeach him.

But then again, that will never happen. Because simply put, he's the only Government official in America who can skirt the law and get away with it while casting judgements on those who do the same thing.

You would prefer that 350 million people be entitled each to their own personal set of laws?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Christian Taliban

Is there a coherent thought or sentence in there somewhere?

. Gays HAVE had all the same rights as anyone else before this, and they ALWAYS have, period..

You keep making this same idiotic claim and I keep pointing out how idiotic it is. Do you have a memory problem, a comprehension problem or just an honesty problem?

• Until very recently homosexuals could be fired from the U.S. military simply for being known as being gay- how in your mind is that 'the same rights'
  
• Homosexuals could be fired from the State Department once they were suspected of being gay.
• Homosexuals could be arrested for having sex together- and were arrested for talking about having sex together even after the Supreme Court said the anti-gay sodomy laws were unconstitutional.
• Laws were passed to fire homosexuals from public teaching laws.

So tell me- how is that all 'the same rights as anyone else'?

You people keep up this phony intellectual fraud and badgering. I never said gays weren't hurt for being gay, but you folks act as if homosexuality i.

No Mary- it is you who keep lying- let me quote you again:

Gays HAVE had all the same rights as anyone else before this, and they ALWAYS have, period.

This is the same claim you have made repeatedly and I have pointed out repeatedly that the claim is false.

So you just come back and make the same claim weeks later.

If you stop making the same stupid claim- I won't have to point out what a patently stupid claim it is

They wouldn't say that if gay marriage was the ONLY form of legal marriage.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Do you think that a reason that gays should not be allowed to marry is because of their higher than average suicide rate- as you originally implied?

And if so, do you also believe that veterans should not be allowed to marry because of their higher than average suicide rate?

That is a faulty comparison. Besides, people like you believe veterans should be deprived of their Second Amendment rights because of their higher than average suicide rate.

 

[Syriusly]

Show me the Muslim clerk refusing to issue marriage licenses because of her faith- and 'homos' will be attacking her in the exact same way.

That's the thing. They won't. Unlike Islam, we Christians don't have a habit of lopping anyone's head off who disagrees with us. You don't attack Islam, Islam attacks you. The whole issue is with Christianity. I'm of the belief that a Muslim clerk would garner more understanding (even if she's still wrong) from you than would Kim Davis.

I smell double standards. Now, if I'm wrong and you will equally condemn a Muslim clerk the same way you would Kim Davis, then by all means, let me know.

I don't see any American Muslims in fore front of opposition to gay marriage.

Of course I would condemn a Muslim clerk or an atheist clerk or anyone else who refused to do their job the way Kim Davis does.

Why wouldn't I?

Muslim cabbies should transport blind people even with their guide dogs- and I don't give a damn if they have religious objections to it.

 

[Syriusly]

And they did. Clerks refused to issue licenses to couples like you.

Same bigots, different decade.

For a totally different reason of course.

Show me where it says in the Bible that mixed marriages were not allowed. Abraham married an Egyptian. Show me where Christianity says that interracial marriages are a sin?

Here's the ones the bigots used.

Let the earth put forth vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, upon the earth. Again God said, Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth according to their kinds. ~ Genesis

so that the holy race has mixed itself with the peoples of the lands. And in this faithlessness (TRESPASS or SIN) the hand of the officials and chief men has been foremost." Ezra 9:1-2



10Then the LORD said: "I am making a covenant with you. Before all your people I will do wonders never before done in any nation in all the world. The people you live among will see how awesome is the work that I, the LORD, will do for you. 11Obey what I command you today. I will drive out before you the Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. 12Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land where you are going, or they will be a snare among you. 13Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and cut down their Asherah poles. 14Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God. 15"Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land; for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to them, they will invite you and you will eat their sacrifices. 16And when you choose some of their daughters as wives for your sons and those daughters prostitute themselves to their gods, they will lead your sons to do the same. (NIV)Exodus 34:10-16

14Do not be mismatched with unbelievers. For what partnership is there between righteousness and lawlessness? Or what fellowship is there between light and darkness? (NRSV) 2Corinthians 6:14

It doesn't matter if YOU believe it...they did. I don't believe your interpretation is right either.

Explain what this has to do with Christianity.

This is the warnings in the Old Testament for the Hebrews taken out of Egypt. Abraham was before Moses. But even then the fact that he took and Egyptian woman into his home was not taboo. So he took Hagar as his wife who gave birth to Ishmael who was the father of the Arabs.

I guess it can be a problem at times.

Again, it doesn't matter if you think those passages refer to interracial relationships...the bigots certain think they do. I think they were/are as wrong on it as you are on gays and the bible.

Doubtful.

Being Gay has always been a sin in the Bible......as well as murder, theft, sloth, blasphemy, envy, malice, adultery, and particularly fornication.

No- not really.

The only rules against homosexuality in the Old Testament are in Leviticus. Not mentioned in the 10 Commandments at all.
Do I think that homosexuality for unmarried adults is exactly the same as any sex for any unmarried adults in the Bible- yes.

I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

You shall have no other gods before me.

You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.

You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work; but the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your manservant, or your maidservant, or your cattle, or the sojourner who is within your gates; for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it.

Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land which the LORD your God gives you.

You shall not kill.

You shall not commit adultery.

You shall not steal.

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his manservant, or his maidservant, or his ox, or his ass, or anything that is your neighbor’s.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I don't see any American Muslims in fore front of opposition to gay marriage.

And, does that mean they don't oppose gay marriage?

Of course I would condemn a Muslim clerk or an atheist clerk or anyone else who refused to do their job the way Kim Davis does.

Are you sure?

Muslim cabbies should transport blind people even with their guide dogs- and I don't give a damn if they have religious objections to it.

But nothing in the Quran says anything about blindness being a sin against Allah.

 

[Syriusly]

So in other words- when the facts contradict your claims- you ignore the facts.

Isn't that what liberals do?

Frankly its a rather human condition that both conservatives and liberals do in rather equal measure.

I try to avoid it, but I am sure I stumble at times.

 

[Syriusly]

I don't see any American Muslims in fore front of opposition to gay marriage.

And, does that mean they don't oppose gay marriage?.

It means that they are not the vocal face of opposition to gay marriage in America.

Of the American Muslims I know, about 1/3 do not oppose gay marriage.

 

[Syriusly]

Of course I would condemn a Muslim clerk or an atheist clerk or anyone else who refused to do their job the way Kim Davis does.

Are you sure?
.

Would you be willing to condemn a Christian for committing murder?

Are you sure?

Yes- I am sure. As I would assume you are sure about the statements you make.

 

[Syriusly]

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Muslim cabbies should transport blind people even with their guide dogs- and I don't give a damn if they have religious objections to it.

But nothing in the Quran says anything about blindness being a sin against Allah.

Aren't you aware of the cases regarding cabbies refusing to pickup blind drivers with guide dogs because they claim transporting dogs violates their religious beliefs?

Whether or not the Quran actually has any objection to dogs or not, I neither care or know, but if you want to be a cabbie, you pick up fares, regardless of their faith, or their service dog.

 

[TemplarKormac]

The only rules against homosexuality in the Old Testament are in Leviticus.

Genesis 19:1–13
Romans 1:26–27
1 Corinthians 6:9

 

[Syriusly]

Do you think that a reason that gays should not be allowed to marry is because of their higher than average suicide rate- as you originally implied?

And if so, do you also believe that veterans should not be allowed to marry because of their higher than average suicide rate?

That is a faulty comparison. Besides, people like you believe veterans should be deprived of their Second Amendment rights because of their higher than average suicide rate.

"people like me'? Which people are that that are 'like me'? LOL- talk about assumptions.

Muddy boy made the claim that one of the 'reasons' to logically object to gay marriage was the higher incident of suicides with homosexuals. We confronted him with the reality that unfortunately American veterans also have a higher incident of suicides.

Both higher rates of suicide is bad- but Muddyboy dances away from addressing his rational for denying gays marriage based upon their higher suicide rates, while not objecting to veterans marrying who also have higher suicide rates.

I don't think a higher suicide rate is a sufficient rational to discriminate against anyone- other than to investigate what we can do to reduce the rates of suicide.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Would you be willing to condemn a Christian for committing murder?

Of course.

Aren't you aware of the cases regarding cabbies refusing to pickup blind drivers with guide dogs because they claim transporting dogs violates their religious beliefs?

Yep.

Whether or not the Quran actually has any objection to dogs or not, I neither care or know, but if you want to be a cabbie, you pick up fares, regardless of their faith, or their service dog.

Indeed. But being a cab driver and a government employee are two drastically different things.

 

[OnePercenter]

Davis is wrong by not following law she swore to follow. Some Christian.

Obviously she has issues with a law she doesn't think is legit.

Obama decided not to follow the law. Why can't she?

Until you guys can give us some rational reason why it's okay for this obvious double-standard, I don't think you're going to convince anyone.

So your perceived illegal act by Obama circumvents a factual illegal act by Davis. Where in the hell is the logic in that, especially since Davis's belief in reality is superstitious based.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Muddy boy made the claim that one of the 'reasons' to logically object to gay marriage was the higher incident of suicides with homosexuals. We confronted him with the reality that unfortunately American veterans also have a higher incident of suicides.

But nobody brought the issue about veteran suicide up except you. That is a deflection. A false cause/comparison argument.

 

[Syriusly]

The only rules against homosexuality in the Old Testament are in Leviticus.

Genesis 19:1–13
Romans 1:26–27
1 Corinthians 6:9

The story of Sodom? That is not a rule against homosexuality- really an odd story- do you believe that every man in Sodom was a homosexual?

Romans is the New Testament- and I specified the OT, but certainly Paul's passage is the really the closest to actual condemnation of male homosexuality in the NT, though of course really the passage says that God gave them up to unnatural passions and

They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32

So homosexuality is as 'bad' according to Paul as gossip and disobedience to parents....

Corinthians again is in the NT- and of course only condemns male homosexuality. Apparently lesbians are fine.
But once again- there is that command not to divorce.

The New Testament is much more explictly against divorce than it is against two women having sex with each other.

 

[mudwhistle]

Davis is wrong by not following law she swore to follow. Some Christian.

If she was a Muslim nobody would **** with her.....at least no ACLU assholes as in this case.

 

[dblack]

Is Kim Davis wrong? Or is the Supreme Ct wrong about requiring acceptance of same-sex "marriage"?

A: Both

 

[Syriusly]

Muddy boy made the claim that one of the 'reasons' to logically object to gay marriage was the higher incident of suicides with homosexuals. We confronted him with the reality that unfortunately American veterans also have a higher incident of suicides.

But nobody brought the issue about veteran suicide up except you. That is a deflection. A false cause/comparison argument.

Actually I was the second person who brought it up.

Apparently Muddie is as uncomfortable with his rational as you are.

Let me ask you this:

Is a higher suicide rate within a group a rational reason to deny all members of that group marriage?

If no- then you disagree with Muddie and we have no area of disagreement.

If yes- then does it apply to all groups or just homosexuals?