Is Kim Davis wrong? Or is the Supreme Ct wrong about requiring acceptance of same-sex "marriage"?

[mudwhistle]

Sure he did....*rolls eyes*

God is his only father. Joseph was basically his step-father.

You've been watching too much history channel.

Oh...I see so when Joseph is referred to as the earthly father of Jesus and God as His heavenly father, all those writings are false doctrine? Must be if you say so! Therefore you can't believe everything you read is the take away, right? Got it Mudwistful, and thanks!

He's a Birther...they have their own special kind of crazy.

I know! I just wanted to pull his string with a tongue-in-cheek post, and he reacted predictably. Not much below the skin on top!

I knew exactly what you were doing.

But since you're a newb I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

So what where you in the Navy, a pecker-checker?

Fascinating what a Birther will think is a Navy job.

It's what we called "Hospital Corpsemen" when I was a squid back in the 70s.
Pecker-checkers.

Half of them were real flamers.

 

[Misty]

What a huge lie that is.

Prove it

I did...you ignored it.

Need it again? Okay..

The SCOTUS ruled against the OVERWHELMING opinion of the American people in 1965...which allowed YOU to be married to your wife. You're okay with that "tyranny" though I'll bet...

So be it. If anyone wanted to fight it, they could.
First they have to prove the harm mixed couples caused........

If anyone wants to fight same-sex marriages they still can.

And they did. Clerks refused to issue licenses to couples like you.

Same bigots, different decade.

For a totally different reason of course.

Show me where it says in the Bible that mixed marriages were not allowed. Abraham married an Egyptian. Show me where Christianity says that interracial marriages are a sin?

It doesn't say it anywhere in the bible.

It is a more conservative way to live. If a person is gay, being married is more conservative.

 

[mudwhistle]

Arraigned marriages, political marriages, marriages between cousins, marriages between minors have all been part of the marriage picture.

And always between a man and a woman. That's always been, and always will be, an essential, defining characteristic of marriage. The means of determining which man marries which woman, under what circumstances may change, but the pairing of male and female will not.

Marriage is an artificial construct....quite frequently it's between one man and many women. Or one man and one woman, and then another woman, and then another woman. It's often been, one man and one woman arranged by others over property.

Actually, the Judao Christian beliefs led to the one man one woman marriage. 2000 years ago you could have as many wives as you could afford. Often times a man would take in his dead brother's wife as his own to carry on their name and to take care of his family.

 

[mudwhistle]

If we were to use Rosie O'Donnell as an example of the harm that same-sex marriages can cause....then it would never have made it to the Supreme Court.

Her adopted child is living with her biological mother....because Rosie is a lousy mother apparently.

That's pathetic even for you. Still can't come up with that demonstrable harm can you?

P
Statistics show higher than normal suicides, higher than normal adverse sexual lifestyles.....and eventually it will show higher than normal divorce.

Btw, you guys justified your arguments by painting all straight couples with the same broad brush. Truth is, you need a license to drive, to own a pet, even to vote, but they'll let any butt-reaming asshole be a father.

Some of them don't deserve the privilege.

So Veterans and overweight people shouldn't be able to marry?

WTF are you babbling about!!!

You held up suicide rates and health issues as a demonstrable harm in allowing gays to marry each other. Using your twisted logic, veterans and fat people shouldn't marry. Stupid huh?

Oh....you think all veterans are suicidal. I think you're confusing veterans with active-duty personnel.

I guess the suicide rate seems to go up when the president sucks ass.....like under Obama.
Actually the suicide rate in the military isn't nearly as bad as with homosexuals and transvestites. But since Gays only make up roughly 2% of the total population......who could tell for sure.

 

[mudwhistle]

So Veterans and overweight people shouldn't be able to marry?

WTF are you babbling about!!!

You pointed out that homosexuals have a higher rate of suicides than normal- she was pointing out- accurately- that veterans have a higher rate of suicide also.

So- should we judge homosexuals and veterans the same based upon their shared higher incidences of suicide?

Aaaaannnnnddddd....

Crickets.

Guess you forgot that typing takes time......especially on a cell with a fucked up spellchecker.

Uh huh...if it makes you feel better.

Well, if you think that I'm spending my day waiting around for your smart-assed remarks so I can respond immediately, I think you need to grow up.

 

[Seawytch]

What a huge lie that is.

Prove it

I did...you ignored it.

Need it again? Okay..

The SCOTUS ruled against the OVERWHELMING opinion of the American people in 1965...which allowed YOU to be married to your wife. You're okay with that "tyranny" though I'll bet...

So be it. If anyone wanted to fight it, they could.
First they have to prove the harm mixed couples caused........

If anyone wants to fight same-sex marriages they still can.

And they did. Clerks refused to issue licenses to couples like you.

Same bigots, different decade.

For a totally different reason of course.

Show me where it says in the Bible that mixed marriages were not allowed. Abraham married an Egyptian. Show me where Christianity says that interracial marriages are a sin?

Here's the ones the bigots used.

Let the earth put forth vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, upon the earth. Again God said, Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth according to their kinds. ~ Genesis

so that the holy race has mixed itself with the peoples of the lands. And in this faithlessness (TRESPASS or SIN) the hand of the officials and chief men has been foremost." Ezra 9:1-2



10Then the LORD said: "I am making a covenant with you. Before all your people I will do wonders never before done in any nation in all the world. The people you live among will see how awesome is the work that I, the LORD, will do for you. 11Obey what I command you today. I will drive out before you the Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. 12Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land where you are going, or they will be a snare among you. 13Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and cut down their Asherah poles. 14Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God. 15"Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land; for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to them, they will invite you and you will eat their sacrifices. 16And when you choose some of their daughters as wives for your sons and those daughters prostitute themselves to their gods, they will lead your sons to do the same. (NIV)Exodus 34:10-16

14Do not be mismatched with unbelievers. For what partnership is there between righteousness and lawlessness? Or what fellowship is there between light and darkness? (NRSV) 2Corinthians 6:14

It doesn't matter if YOU believe it...they did. I don't believe your interpretation is right either.

 

[Seawytch]

That's pathetic even for you. Still can't come up with that demonstrable harm can you?

P
Statistics show higher than normal suicides, higher than normal adverse sexual lifestyles.....and eventually it will show higher than normal divorce.

Btw, you guys justified your arguments by painting all straight couples with the same broad brush. Truth is, you need a license to drive, to own a pet, even to vote, but they'll let any butt-reaming asshole be a father.

Some of them don't deserve the privilege.

So Veterans and overweight people shouldn't be able to marry?

WTF are you babbling about!!!

You held up suicide rates and health issues as a demonstrable harm in allowing gays to marry each other. Using your twisted logic, veterans and fat people shouldn't marry. Stupid huh?

Oh....you think all veterans are suicidal. I think you're confusing veterans with active-duty personnel.

I guess the suicide rate seems to go up when the president sucks ass.....like under Obama.
Actually the suicide rate in the military isn't nearly as bad as with homosexuals and transvestites. But since Gays only make up roughly 2% of the total population......who could tell for sure.

I gave you the link. The suicide rate for both is astronomical. Guess they shouldn't be able to marry. Military personnel make up 1%...and?

 

[mudwhistle]

What is the "more legit manner" you have in mind? Using the court system set up by the U.S. Constitution isn't legit?

The exact same system that "forced" his interracial marriage on a very unwilling (80%) populace.

Link

Interracial marriage was popular to a majority. Southern Democrats (your party BTW) were pretty much last to sign on to it in the 60s

Nobody could prove any harm, so it became legal.

The rationale by Justice Kennedy for same-sex marriage was tha marriage makes children safe.

Okay. Lol

What a huge lie that is.

Prove it

I did...you ignored it.

Need it again? Okay..

The SCOTUS ruled against the OVERWHELMING opinion of the American people in 1965...which allowed YOU to be married to your wife. You're okay with that "tyranny" though I'll bet...

Once again.....you're mixing apples and oranges.

Homosexuality is a sin. I always has been. Mixed marriages has not been frowned on until fairly recently. It's a leftover from slavery. But 2000 - 4000 years ago mixed marriage was normal. As a matter of fact it is downright beneficial....because it mixes up the gene-pool and givse us fewer birth defects.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

The exact same system that "forced" his interracial marriage on a very unwilling (80%) populace.

Link

Interracial marriage was popular to a majority. Southern Democrats (your party BTW) were pretty much last to sign on to it in the 60s

Nobody could prove any harm, so it became legal.

The rationale by Justice Kennedy for same-sex marriage was tha marriage makes children safe.

Okay. Lol

What a huge lie that is.

Prove it

That easy, Studley! SCOTUS - Loving v. Virginia (1967). 16 States had anti-miscegenation statutes on the books and when the Loving's contested the Virginia statute, it was found violative of Amendment XIV's due process clause, and thereby allowing persons of different races to marry without obstruction and closing the books on all the other anti-miscegenation statutes in other States!

So....what's your point?

16 states out of 50 sounds like a minority. I'd be willing to bet my left nut most of those 16 states were controlled by......wait for it.........Democrats.

The point is your claim in post #130 was in error, not correct, FALSE! Here are the false claims in that post;

"Interracial marriage was popular to a majority. Southern Democrats (your party BTW) were pretty much last to sign on to it in the 60s

Nobody could prove any harm, so it became legal." [Emphasis Added]

Then in another post following to another down the line you challenged another. Obviously you figured that no one would recall Loving! But I'm an old guy with a not so bad memory.

1. You claimed that miscegenation was popular. There is no evidence of that at all, and your claim was false!

2. You claimed that Southern Democrats were the last to "sign on" to miscegenation. You failed to note that they were made moot by the Supremes on June 12, 1967, and your claim was false!

3.You claimed no harm came from miscegenation. You neglected to note the people serving time in many states back in the day because it was a crime in numerous States, and your claim was false!

4. You claimed miscegenation mystically and magically became legal without stating how because it would put the lie to your other assertions. The anti-miscegenation statutes across the nation were made moot by SCOTUS in Loving v. Virginia, June 12, 1967 and you claim was false!

Don't try to quibble about the number of States with anti-miscegenation laws and that "only" 1/3 of the States were violating the Constitutional rights of citizens because of their bigotry! That is totally irrelevant. You were wrong all the way around! Your claims were either irrelevant or in gross error!

Next time, don't try to baffle others with bullshit.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

[ And always between a man and a woman. That's always been, and always will be, an essential, defining characteristic of marriage. The means of determining which man marries which woman, under what circumstances may change, but the pairing of male and female will not.

Marriage is an artificial construct....quite frequently it's between one man and many women. Or one man and one woman, and then another woman, and then another woman. It's often been, one man and one woman arranged by others over property.

It has a natural basis in biology and the needs of future generations. It binds a man and a woman together, holding them jointly responsible for each other, and for any children that may result from their union. Without it, the natural tendency is for men to sow their wild oats as far and as wide as they can, and to leave women to bear the entire burden of caring for themselves and their children. Good deal for the men, but a very bad deal for the women or the children.

Compare to the common situation in many of our inner cities, of a women with several children, each by a different deadbeat “baby daddy” who is too busy sowing more of his wild oats elsewhere to give any concern to the children he's already sired.

Mankind needs marriage to form stable families, and humanity needs families to form a stable, sustainable society.

The current attacks against marriage, against families, are ultimately attacks against society itself.

 

[Seawytch]

WTF are you babbling about!!!

You pointed out that homosexuals have a higher rate of suicides than normal- she was pointing out- accurately- that veterans have a higher rate of suicide also.

So- should we judge homosexuals and veterans the same based upon their shared higher incidences of suicide?

Aaaaannnnnddddd....

Crickets.

Guess you forgot that typing takes time......especially on a cell with a fucked up spellchecker.

Uh huh...if it makes you feel better.

Well, if you think that I'm spending my day waiting around for your smart-assed remarks so I can respond immediately, I think you need to grow up.

And yet you managed to post over and over without addressing any of the points.

Do you really want to issue marriage licenses based on a mental health test? I think birtherism should be a disqualification.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Christian Taliban

Except they don't blow people up over it like muslims do which is why the homofascists hypocritically steer clear of muslims.

 

[Seawytch]

The exact same system that "forced" his interracial marriage on a very unwilling (80%) populace.

Link

Interracial marriage was popular to a majority. Southern Democrats (your party BTW) were pretty much last to sign on to it in the 60s

Nobody could prove any harm, so it became legal.

The rationale by Justice Kennedy for same-sex marriage was tha marriage makes children safe.

Okay. Lol

What a huge lie that is.

Prove it

I did...you ignored it.

Need it again? Okay..

The SCOTUS ruled against the OVERWHELMING opinion of the American people in 1965...which allowed YOU to be married to your wife. You're okay with that "tyranny" though I'll bet...

Once again.....you're mixing apples and oranges.

Homosexuality is a sin. I always has been. Mixed marriages has not been frowned on until fairly recently. It's a leftover from slavery. But 2000 - 4000 years ago mixed marriage was normal. As a matter of fact it is downright beneficial....because it mixes up the gene-pool and givse us fewer birth defects.

Sorry, but a whole lot of people thought (and still think) your relationship is as sinful as mine. Good thing we don't base our laws on a bigots interpretation of the bible, huh?

 

[Seawytch]

Christian Taliban

Except they don't blow people up over it like muslims do which is why the homofascists hypocritically steer clear of muslims.

American Muslims don't. Christians and Muslims in other countries do.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Christian Taliban

Except they don't blow people up over it like muslims do which is why the homofascists hypocritically steer clear of muslims.

American Muslims don't. Christians and Muslims in other countries do.

No, pretty much just the muslims do.
So what about homos attacking Islam the way they go after Christians? They don't because they're afraid to in spite of the indoctrination you spew that suggests religions are equal opportunity mass murderers.

 

[mudwhistle]

Prove it

I did...you ignored it.

Need it again? Okay..

The SCOTUS ruled against the OVERWHELMING opinion of the American people in 1965...which allowed YOU to be married to your wife. You're okay with that "tyranny" though I'll bet...

So be it. If anyone wanted to fight it, they could.
First they have to prove the harm mixed couples caused........

If anyone wants to fight same-sex marriages they still can.

And they did. Clerks refused to issue licenses to couples like you.

Same bigots, different decade.

For a totally different reason of course.

Show me where it says in the Bible that mixed marriages were not allowed. Abraham married an Egyptian. Show me where Christianity says that interracial marriages are a sin?

Here's the ones the bigots used.

Let the earth put forth vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, upon the earth. Again God said, Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth according to their kinds. ~ Genesis

so that the holy race has mixed itself with the peoples of the lands. And in this faithlessness (TRESPASS or SIN) the hand of the officials and chief men has been foremost." Ezra 9:1-2



10Then the LORD said: "I am making a covenant with you. Before all your people I will do wonders never before done in any nation in all the world. The people you live among will see how awesome is the work that I, the LORD, will do for you. 11Obey what I command you today. I will drive out before you the Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. 12Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land where you are going, or they will be a snare among you. 13Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and cut down their Asherah poles. 14Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God. 15"Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land; for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to them, they will invite you and you will eat their sacrifices. 16And when you choose some of their daughters as wives for your sons and those daughters prostitute themselves to their gods, they will lead your sons to do the same. (NIV)Exodus 34:10-16

14Do not be mismatched with unbelievers. For what partnership is there between righteousness and lawlessness? Or what fellowship is there between light and darkness? (NRSV) 2Corinthians 6:14

It doesn't matter if YOU believe it...they did. I don't believe your interpretation is right either.

Explain what this has to do with Christianity.

This is the warnings in the Old Testament for the Hebrews taken out of Egypt. Abraham was before Moses. But even then the fact that he took and Egyptian woman into his home was not taboo. So he took Hagar as his wife who gave birth to Ishmael who was the father of the Arabs.

I guess it can be a problem at times.

 

[mudwhistle]

Christian Taliban

Except they don't blow people up over it like muslims do which is why the homofascists hypocritically steer clear of muslims.

American Muslims don't. Christians and Muslims in other countries do.

The guy that killed 5 Marines and a Sailor in Chattanooga was and American Muslim.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Christian Taliban

Surely you're smart enough not to compare people to terrorists because they oppose gay marriage?

"Christian Taliban." How childish.

 

[mudwhistle]

P
Statistics show higher than normal suicides, higher than normal adverse sexual lifestyles.....and eventually it will show higher than normal divorce.

Btw, you guys justified your arguments by painting all straight couples with the same broad brush. Truth is, you need a license to drive, to own a pet, even to vote, but they'll let any butt-reaming asshole be a father.

Some of them don't deserve the privilege.

So Veterans and overweight people shouldn't be able to marry?

WTF are you babbling about!!!

You held up suicide rates and health issues as a demonstrable harm in allowing gays to marry each other. Using your twisted logic, veterans and fat people shouldn't marry. Stupid huh?

Oh....you think all veterans are suicidal. I think you're confusing veterans with active-duty personnel.

I guess the suicide rate seems to go up when the president sucks ass.....like under Obama.
Actually the suicide rate in the military isn't nearly as bad as with homosexuals and transvestites. But since Gays only make up roughly 2% of the total population......who could tell for sure.

I gave you the link. The suicide rate for both is astronomical. Guess they shouldn't be able to marry. Military personnel make up 1%...and?

You said veterans....asshole. You didn't say active-duty.

 

[Syriusly]

Kim Davis used her state authority to force people to obey her religion.

No, she refused to enforce a law that required her to violate her own religion.

Did the people who wrote and ratified the 14th, intend for it to force people to violate their own religion? If it could be couched in language claiming to provide "equal rights" to someone else?

Well lets look at the clear language of the 14th Amendment again

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Nothing in the 14th Amendment that excludes Christians from having to comply with the 14th Amendment.