Is it time to hi-jack the word ‘progressive’ from Dems? Isn’t Trump the most progressive POTUS ever?

[TNHarley]

Trumps no progressive, he is exactly the opposite, a reactionary. Progressives want to move forward, Trump wants to move backwards to a time America was 'great'.

Lol "progress" is wanting to destroy individualism and freedom, and replace it with daddy government?
Leftists are the antithesis to "progress"

 

[Crepitus]

Since most sane people define progress as moving forward in a positive direction or advancing on a positive trajectory the word ‘PROGRESS’ has never really fit the liberal framework that proves to be regressive in every single liberal community, city state and nation.

Trump's Progressive Presidency | Sean Evans | Blog | Department of Political Science | Union University, a Christian College in Tennessee

www.uu.edu

He's the opposite.

 

[alang1216]

Good thing I would make abortion a misdemeanor, right?

Why make it a legal issue at all?

 

[alang1216]

And yet the same Democrats that opposed civil rights continued to get elected into the 1980's.

They are gone now, replaced by GOP folks that oppose civil rights.

 

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Why make it a legal issue at all?

Human rights.

 

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They are gone now, replaced by GOP folks that oppose civil rights.

My point was about when the supposed change happened. What opposition to civil rights are you talking about?

 

[alang1216]

Lol "progress" is wanting to destroy individualism and freedom, and replace it with daddy government?
Leftists are the antithesis to "progress"

You self-righteous indignation is misplaced. The Right is just as intent on destroying individualism and freedom, they just focus on different freedoms. Recreational drugs are one example.

 

[Hollie]

Since most sane people define progress as moving forward in a positive direction or advancing on a positive trajectory the word ‘PROGRESS’ has never really fit the liberal framework that proves to be regressive in every single liberal community, city state and nation.

Trump's Progressive Presidency | Sean Evans | Blog | Department of Political Science | Union University, a Christian College in Tennessee

www.uu.edu

I never understood the "progressive" label attached to retrograde leftists.

 

[TNHarley]

You self-righteous indignation is misplaced.

Wrong.

The Right is just as intent on destroying individualism and freedom

Then they arent on the right. Tyranny is on the far left. Anarchy is far right.You arent a "righty" if you attack freedoms and depend on govt intrusion. Like the modern day American "right." MAGA are leftists.
Do you know why MAGA attacks Thomas Massie as RINO and other BS labels? Because he is actually on the right.

 

[BrokeLoser]

He's the opposite.

Trump is definitely a regressive POTUS for regressive people…See how this works?

 

[BrokeLoser]

Wrong.

Then they arent on the right. Tyranny is on the far left. Anarchy is far right.You arent a "righty" if you attack freedoms and depend on govt intrusion. Like the modern day American "right." MAGA are leftists.
Do you know why MAGA attacks Thomas Massie as RINO and other BS labels? Because he is actually on the right.

Sadly the Grand Old Republican movement is dead and unsellable, it isn’t coming back…Sadly, Thomas Massie couldn’t be elected dog-catcher outside of Lexington. Sadly, America’s electorate isn’t what is once was and Republicans have to win elections…Politics and politicians are tailored around the electorate…it’s not the other way around.

 

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Tyranny is on the far left. Anarchy is far right.

Anarchy is the shortest path to tyranny just as tyranny is the shortest path to anarchy.

Philosopher Thomas Hobbes argued that without a central authority, life would be a "war of all against all," leading to chaos where the strong dominate the weak, creating a de facto tyranny.

Real-world examples, like failed states, suggest removing a tyrant can lead to anarchy, which many find worse, prompting a need for strong, even tyrannical, rule to establish order.

 

[BrokeLoser]

I never understood the "progressive" label attached to retrograde leftists.

Are you saying this isn’t a PROGRESSIVE individual?
Crepitus say’s it’s progressive as hell.

 

[MarcATL]

The "ideological flip" between the Democratic and Republican parties wasn't a single event, but a gradual realignment that spanned nearly a century.1 It occurred in three major waves, moving from the parties' origins in the mid-1800s to the finalized "switch" by the late 20th century.
Historically, the Republicans (founded in 1854) were the "big government," progressive party of the North that ended slavery, while the Democrats (founded in 1828) were the "small government," conservative party of the South that championed states' rights and white supremacy.2

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1. The Economic Shift: The Great Depression (1930s)​

The first major crack in the old system occurred during the New Deal era.

• The Old Way: Historically, Republicans favored federal intervention to build infrastructure and industry, while Democrats wanted the federal government to stay out of local affairs.
• The Flip: When the economy collapsed in 1929, Republican President Herbert Hoover maintained a "hands-off" approach.3 In response, Democrat Franklin D. Roosevelt (FDR) launched the New Deal, using massive federal power to provide social safety nets.4
• Result: The Democrats became the party of "big government" and social programs, while Republicans began to pivot toward "small government" and fiscal conservatism.5

2. The Civil Rights Shift: 1948 – 1964​

For decades, the Democratic Party was an awkward "big tent" of Northern urban liberals and Southern segregationists. This coalition collapsed over civil rights.

• 1948: President Harry Truman (a Democrat) integrated the military and added a civil rights plank to the party platform.6 This caused "Dixiecrats" (Southern Democrats) to walk out in protest.7
• 1964: The flip was cemented when Democratic President Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act.8 His Republican opponent, Barry Goldwater, opposed the act on the grounds of "states' rights."9
• Result: Black voters, who had been loyal to the GOP since Lincoln, moved almost entirely to the Democratic Party. Conversely, white Southern voters began to feel "abandoned" by the Democrats.

3. The Geographic Shift: The "Southern Strategy" (1968 – 1980s)​

Following the Civil Rights Act, the Republican Party saw an opportunity to win over disenfranchised white Southern voters.10

• The Strategy: Strategists for Richard Nixon and later Ronald Reagan used the "Southern Strategy," focusing on "law and order," traditional values, and opposition to federal overreach (often used as a proxy for opposing integration and busing).11
• The Final Step: By the 1980s and 90s, the "Solid South" (which had been Democrat for 100 years) became a Republican stronghold.

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Summary of the Switch​

Issue	1860s Ideology	Modern Ideology
Federal Power	Republicans: High / Democrats: Low	Republicans: Low / Democrats: High
Primary Base	Republicans: North / Democrats: South	Republicans: South/Rural / Democrats: North/Urban
Civil Rights	Republicans: Pro-Civil Rights	Democrats: Pro-Civil Rights
Economics	Republicans: Pro-Industry Intervention	Democrats: Pro-Social Safety Net

What's the link to this gem brother?

 

[IM2]

Since most sane people define progress as moving forward in a positive direction or advancing on a positive trajectory the word ‘PROGRESS’ has never really fit the liberal framework that proves to be regressive in every single liberal community, city state and nation.

Trump's Progressive Presidency | Sean Evans | Blog | Department of Political Science | Union University, a Christian College in Tennessee

www.uu.edu

Trump is not moving this nation forward.

 

[BrokeLoser]

You mean the slaves that were forbidden to even learn to read? And by 'turned loose' do you mean subject to sharecropping and Jim Crow? Are those the 'core' American values you cherish?

I said exactly what I meant…Four million uncivilized savages were turned loose on Americans and we’re still paying the price for Lincolns **** up.

 

[IM2]

“Forward” into a shittier state as proven in ALL progressive shitholes?
Again, sane people think of progress as a move in a positive direction.

Thats why Trump is not a progressive. If you want to see shitholes, there are plenty of red rural shitholes in America.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Caging children is progressive?

You said the Kenyan’s cages WERE progressive…remember?

Building a cathedral to yourself at the white house is progressive?

Yes, building a ballroom with private money is progressive as ****.

Being a convicted rapist is progressive?

Who was convicted of rape?

Being a draft dodger is progressive?

That’s what productive people do…they stay out of the military so they can pay the salaries of those fit for service.

Lying constantly is progressive?

“You can keep your doctor”……”I will be a President for the whole country”

You Trump tools are so stupid it is hard to comprehend. You have reached a level of ignorance unknown to humankind till now.

 

[TNHarley]

Anarchy is the shortest path to tyranny just as tyranny is the shortest path to anarchy.

Philosopher Thomas Hobbes argued that without a central authority, life would be a "war of all against all," leading to chaos where the strong dominate the weak, creating a de facto tyranny.

Real-world examples, like failed states, suggest removing a tyrant can lead to anarchy, which many find worse, prompting a need for strong, even tyrannical, rule to establish order.

Apparently you nor hobbes understand what anarchy actually is. Anarchy isnt about chaos. It is about mutually agreed contracts. Anarch freedom isnt simply the non existence of a government. It is harmonious communities. Guided by their own morals and beliefs.

Hobbes was a supporter of dictators and kings.

Real world examples? Oh, you mean like when we topple governments? lolz

 

[TNHarley]

Sadly the Grand Old Republican movement is dead and unsellable, it isn’t coming back…Sadly, Thomas Massie couldn’t be elected dog-catcher outside of Lexington. Sadly, America’s electorate isn’t what is once was and Republicans have to win elections…Politics and politicians are tailored around the electorate…it’s not the other way around.

Yet you tailored your beliefs around the politician. lol