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Is it Time for the Electoral College to Go?

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Do we need it anymore? Gallup polls have show than the American people prefer Direct Elections for President over the indirect Electoral College.

It used to be necessary, back when we couldn't talk to each other by picking up a phone and we didn't have nationwide 24/7 news coverage.

California just became the latest state to vote to give all their electoral votes to the candidate that wins the popular vote, joining seven other states that have done so.

Is this the beginning of the end for the EC?
 

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Do we need it anymore? Gallup polls have show than the American people prefer Direct Elections for President over the indirect Electoral College.

It used to be necessary, back when we couldn't talk to each other by picking up a phone and we didn't have nationwide 24/7 news coverage.

California just became the latest state to vote to give all their electoral votes to the candidate that wins the popular vote, joining seven other states that have done so.

Is this the beginning of the end for the EC?

Nope. The college gives us a little more balance.

A pure democracy tramples the rights of the minorty
 

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Do we need it anymore? Gallup polls have show than the American people prefer Direct Elections for President over the indirect Electoral College.

It used to be necessary, back when we couldn't talk to each other by picking up a phone and we didn't have nationwide 24/7 news coverage.

California just became the latest state to vote to give all their electoral votes to the candidate that wins the popular vote, joining seven other states that have done so.

Is this the beginning of the end for the EC?

I really cannot take the whole "follow the national vote" thing seriously. The first time a state that always supports party X notices it can swing the election to party X by ignoring the national vote will surely try some shennanigans to make that outcome a reality.
 
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Do we need it anymore? Gallup polls have show than the American people prefer Direct Elections for President over the indirect Electoral College.

It used to be necessary, back when we couldn't talk to each other by picking up a phone and we didn't have nationwide 24/7 news coverage.

California just became the latest state to vote to give all their electoral votes to the candidate that wins the popular vote, joining seven other states that have done so.

Is this the beginning of the end for the EC?

Nope. The college gives us a little more balance.

A pure democracy tramples the rights of the minorty

How? How are minority rights protected by the Electoral College in Presidential Elections?
 

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I really don't want people from NY, Chicago and San Francisco deciding who will be president. The reason for the electoral college is to prevent the most populated areas from deciding Presidential elections. It works. :)
 

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Do we need it anymore? Gallup polls have show than the American people prefer Direct Elections for President over the indirect Electoral College.

It used to be necessary, back when we couldn't talk to each other by picking up a phone and we didn't have nationwide 24/7 news coverage.

California just became the latest state to vote to give all their electoral votes to the candidate that wins the popular vote, joining seven other states that have done so.

Is this the beginning of the end for the EC?

Nope. The college gives us a little more balance.

A pure democracy tramples the rights of the minorty

How? How are minority rights protected by the Electoral College in Presidential Elections?

As I said it provides balance, On a national level that would be states. Why should one state have a larger voice just because of population? POPULARITY?
 

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Do we need it anymore? Gallup polls have show than the American people prefer Direct Elections for President over the indirect Electoral College.

It used to be necessary, back when we couldn't talk to each other by picking up a phone and we didn't have nationwide 24/7 news coverage.

California just became the latest state to vote to give all their electoral votes to the candidate that wins the popular vote, joining seven other states that have done so.

Is this the beginning of the end for the EC?

Nope. The college gives us a little more balance.

A pure democracy tramples the rights of the minorty



How? How are minority rights protected by the Electoral College in Presidential Elections?

This, for once is not about minorities, it's about population. Not fair the biggest and most populous cities get to decide elections.
 

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Hell NO!!!.. It is NOT time for the EC to go... the EC helps to ensure that each branch is elected/chosen in a different manner.. and also helps ensure the voices of the smaller/less populous states are still heard without being drowned out by the urban mega-population areas...

IMHO, it is needed now more than ever
 

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The EC is as about as unconstitutional as you can get.

The idea of a state handing out all thier "points" to the popular vote getter is just as dumb.

We live in a computerised age. And besides, the election is in Nov but the winner isn't seated until Jan, so it's not like there's a big hurry.
 

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Do we need it anymore? Gallup polls have show than the American people prefer Direct Elections for President over the indirect Electoral College.

It used to be necessary, back when we couldn't talk to each other by picking up a phone and we didn't have nationwide 24/7 news coverage.

California just became the latest state to vote to give all their electoral votes to the candidate that wins the popular vote, joining seven other states that have done so.

Is this the beginning of the end for the EC?

Nope. The college gives us a little more balance.

A pure democracy tramples the rights of the minorty

The rights of the minority should not extend to elections. Makes no sense.

If electing chief executives is so much better by an electoral college type system, instead of the popular vote,

why aren't governors of states elected that way? Does that mean every gubernatorial election in this country 'tramples on the rights of the minority'?

Ridiculous.
 
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Nope. The college gives us a little more balance.

A pure democracy tramples the rights of the minorty



How? How are minority rights protected by the Electoral College in Presidential Elections?

This, for once is not about minorities, it's about population. Not fair the biggest and most populous cities get to decide elections.

Well, I believe one person, one vote is fair. The electoral college circumvents that.
 

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Nope. The college gives us a little more balance.

A pure democracy tramples the rights of the minorty



How? How are minority rights protected by the Electoral College in Presidential Elections?

This, for once is not about minorities, it's about population. Not fair the biggest and most populous cities get to decide elections.

It requires the people running for the presidency to pay attention to the smaller states, rather than just pander to the large population areas. With the electoral college if a candidate ignores smaller states they run the risk of losing them, and even with winning the large cities they run the risk of losing the election.
 

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Nope. The college gives us a little more balance.

A pure democracy tramples the rights of the minorty

How? How are minority rights protected by the Electoral College in Presidential Elections?

As I said it provides balance, On a national level that would be states. Why should one state have a larger voice just because of population? POPULARITY?

I'm more concerned with the 'people' in the state, than the state itself. If the people vote foe 'A', then their vote should count for 'A'. With the electoral college, you can have more people in a state vote foe 'A', but 'B' can still get the electoral votes, totally negating the votes of the people who voted for 'A'.

That doesn't sound like 'one person, one vote' to me.
 

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The EC needs to stay. Consider the following:

Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law in St. Paul ,
Minnesota , points out some interesting facts concerning the last
Presidential election:

Number of States won by:

O
bama: 19 McCain: 29

Square miles of land won by:

Obama: 580,000
McCain: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by:
Obama: 127 million
McCain: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents
in counties won by:

O
bama: 13.2 McCain: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory McCain won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country.

Obama territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in low income tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..."
 
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I love the way liberals want to junk everything that made aMerica great.

Jee, who needs the constitution, bill of rights, capitalism yada yada.

Just say no people!
 

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How? How are minority rights protected by the Electoral College in Presidential Elections?

This, for once is not about minorities, it's about population. Not fair the biggest and most populous cities get to decide elections.

Well, I believe one person, one vote is fair. The electoral college circumvents that.

We have that.. for the legislative branch... but the balance brought about by 3 different ways to choose the 3 different branches is very important... and should not be done away with
 

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How do you think those Iowa, Kansas, and Nebraska farmers would feel having the New York and San Francisco Liberals imposing their social and cultural values on them?
Forcing the farmers to behave like the tourists on Provincetown, Ma's main thouroughfare while they are out milking the cows?
The presence of the Electoral College prevents just such an event from happening.
 

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The EC needs to stay. Consider the following:

Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law in St. Paul ,
Minnesota , points out some interesting facts concerning the last
Presidential election:

Number of States won by:

O
bama: 19 McCain: 29

Square miles of land won by:

Obama: 580,000
McCain: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by:
Obama: 127 million
McCain: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents
in counties won by:

O
bama: 13.2 McCain: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory McCain won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country.

Obama territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in low income tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..."

You just listed reasons to end it.

Per your c-p, McCain got most of the votes and would, and if this is correct, should be President.
 

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How do you think those Iowa, Kansas, and Nebraska farmers would feel having the New York and San Francisco Liberals imposing their social and cultural values on them?
Forcing the farmers to behave like the tourists on Provincetown, Ma's main thouroughfare while they are out milking the cows?
The presence of the Electoral College prevents just such an event from happening.

You're retarded. Someone should impose a brain in your skull.
 

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