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How do you think those Iowa, Kansas, and Nebraska farmers would feel having the New York and San Francisco Liberals imposing their social and cultural values on them?
Forcing the farmers to behave like the tourists on Provincetown, Ma's main thouroughfare while they are out milking the cows?
The presence of the Electoral College prevents just such an event from happening.
This, for once is not about minorities, it's about population. Not fair the biggest and most populous cities get to decide elections.
Well, I believe one person, one vote is fair. The electoral college circumvents that.
We have that.. for the legislative branch... but the balance brought about by 3 different ways to choose the 3 different branches is very important... and should not be done away with
Well, I believe one person, one vote is fair. The electoral college circumvents that.
We have that.. for the legislative branch... but the balance brought about by 3 different ways to choose the 3 different branches is very important... and should not be done away with
The legislature is extremely skewed by the Senate, where states with tiny populations get the same representation as states with large populations.
Nope. The college gives us a little more balance.
A pure democracy tramples the rights of the minorty
How? How are minority rights protected by the Electoral College in Presidential Elections?
This, for once is not about minorities, it's about population. Not fair the biggest and most populous cities get to decide elections.
How? How are minority rights protected by the Electoral College in Presidential Elections?
This, for once is not about minorities, it's about population. Not fair the biggest and most populous cities get to decide elections.
It's not fair that any American's right to vote and the value of that vote would be diluted or diminished merely because that person happens to live in an urban area. Each American should have an equal voice in every election he or she has a right to vote in.
We have that.. for the legislative branch... but the balance brought about by 3 different ways to choose the 3 different branches is very important... and should not be done away with
The legislature is extremely skewed by the Senate, where states with tiny populations get the same representation as states with large populations.
That adds even more balance.... do not forget that it is the States that grant the power to the Fed and not the other way around....
Balance by how the branches/representatives are chosen, balance by popular vote and balance by representation based on not only populace are indeed good things.... it is what makes our system better than a popular vote system that promotes tyranny of the masses
This, for once is not about minorities, it's about population. Not fair the biggest and most populous cities get to decide elections.
It's not fair that any American's right to vote and the value of that vote would be diluted or diminished merely because that person happens to live in an urban area. Each American should have an equal voice in every election he or she has a right to vote in.
The subjective 'fairness' argument again
Do we need it anymore? Gallup polls have show than the American people prefer Direct Elections for President over the indirect Electoral College.
It used to be necessary, back when we couldn't talk to each other by picking up a phone and we didn't have nationwide 24/7 news coverage.
California just became the latest state to vote to give all their electoral votes to the candidate that wins the popular vote, joining seven other states that have done so.
Is this the beginning of the end for the EC?
Nope. The college gives us a little more balance.
A pure democracy tramples the rights of the minorty
The rights of the minority should not extend to elections. Makes no sense.
If electing chief executives is so much better by an electoral college type system, instead of the popular vote,
why aren't governors of states elected that way? Does that mean every gubernatorial election in this country 'tramples on the rights of the minority'?
Ridiculous.
Do we need it anymore? Gallup polls have show than the American people prefer Direct Elections for President over the indirect Electoral College.
It used to be necessary, back when we couldn't talk to each other by picking up a phone and we didn't have nationwide 24/7 news coverage.
California just became the latest state to vote to give all their electoral votes to the candidate that wins the popular vote, joining seven other states that have done so.
Is this the beginning of the end for the EC?
The funniest part of this debate is that the electoral college doesn't even do what it's proponents seem to think it does.
Having the electoral college only means that about once every 100 years, in some extremely close election, the guy who got fewer popular votes wins the electoral vote. Other than those extremely rare oddities, the popular vote guy wins.
It's a useless, irrelevant, joke of a system.
Nope. The college gives us a little more balance.
A pure democracy tramples the rights of the minorty
The rights of the minority should not extend to elections. Makes no sense.
If electing chief executives is so much better by an electoral college type system, instead of the popular vote,
why aren't governors of states elected that way? Does that mean every gubernatorial election in this country 'tramples on the rights of the minority'?
Ridiculous.
The argument could be made, though not strongly due to the constitution. Why should a populous state be allowed to order a less populous state to conform to their wishes?
The funniest part of this debate is that the electoral college doesn't even do what it's proponents seem to think it does.
Having the electoral college only means that about once every 100 years, in some extremely close election, the guy who got fewer popular votes wins the electoral vote. Other than those extremely rare oddities, the popular vote guy wins.
It's a useless, irrelevant, joke of a system.
Seems is your opinion. It remains flawed but is still miles above a pure democracy.
The rights of the minority should not extend to elections. Makes no sense.
If electing chief executives is so much better by an electoral college type system, instead of the popular vote,
why aren't governors of states elected that way? Does that mean every gubernatorial election in this country 'tramples on the rights of the minority'?
Ridiculous.
The argument could be made, though not strongly due to the constitution. Why should a populous state be allowed to order a less populous state to conform to their wishes?
That doesn't happen. But on principle, when there are more votes for something than against it, if you have any semblance of a rational democratic system,
the yeas win.
We modify that with judicially, constitutionally protected rights of minorities, in limited cases.
But you can't have a system where the majority is meaningless.
Do we need it anymore? Gallup polls have show than the American people prefer Direct Elections for President over the indirect Electoral College.
It used to be necessary, back when we couldn't talk to each other by picking up a phone and we didn't have nationwide 24/7 news coverage.
California just became the latest state to vote to give all their electoral votes to the candidate that wins the popular vote, joining seven other states that have done so.
Is this the beginning of the end for the EC?
The legislature is extremely skewed by the Senate, where states with tiny populations get the same representation as states with large populations.
That adds even more balance.... do not forget that it is the States that grant the power to the Fed and not the other way around....
Balance by how the branches/representatives are chosen, balance by popular vote and balance by representation based on not only populace are indeed good things.... it is what makes our system better than a popular vote system that promotes tyranny of the masses
Most conservatives hate the idea of democracy, I get it.
The funniest part of this debate is that the electoral college doesn't even do what it's proponents seem to think it does.
Having the electoral college only means that about once every 100 years, in some extremely close election, the guy who got fewer popular votes wins the electoral vote. Other than those extremely rare oddities, the popular vote guy wins.
It's a useless, irrelevant, joke of a system.
That adds even more balance.... do not forget that it is the States that grant the power to the Fed and not the other way around....
Balance by how the branches/representatives are chosen, balance by popular vote and balance by representation based on not only populace are indeed good things.... it is what makes our system better than a popular vote system that promotes tyranny of the masses
Most conservatives hate the idea of democracy, I get it.
Very much so.
It goes against the types of government they favor..like Monarchy.
Do we need it anymore? Gallup polls have show than the American people prefer Direct Elections for President over the indirect Electoral College.
It used to be necessary, back when we couldn't talk to each other by picking up a phone and we didn't have nationwide 24/7 news coverage.
California just became the latest state to vote to give all their electoral votes to the candidate that wins the popular vote, joining seven other states that have done so.
Is this the beginning of the end for the EC?
Nope. The college gives us a little more balance.
A pure democracy tramples the rights of the minorty
