Is it time for a legitimate third party?

[jc456]

Then show me an instance of somebody voting for Clinton, or Edwards, or Hart, or Hill after their affairs were "PROVEN".

You can't.

Game over

Dude, again, you can't be helped, you are too naive to discuss this topic. Your lack of intelligence can't be helped.

 

[jc456]

The founders envisioned no political parties. That each man would stand on their own.

MONEY

 

[Billiejeens]

After Slick Willie committed adultery, nobody ever voted for him again.

Gosh, that is simply not true.

 

[Curried Goats]

Stupid laws.

What?

 

[jc456]

Gosh, that is simply not true.

dude, the guy obviously hasn't read shit.

 

[Hellokitty]

Is it time for a legitimate third party?

• Too much political divide on issues that could have a common middle ground?
• Our 2 current parties drive their own agenda, while the a unheard majorities voice is left unheard, seen, or advised.
• In today's political climate, how would a third party get a voice? We are not asking for a seat at the table, but rather, a voice that can be heard. Then let the dominoes fall.
• George Washington warned of political parties subverting the people and leading to despotism. This board that example where many on here, express desire to remove the other in totality.
• From Washington - "...The very idea of the power and the right of the people to establish government presupposes the duty of every individual to obey the established government.
  
  All obstructions to the execution of the laws, all combinations and associations, under whatever plausible character, with the real design to direct, control, counteract, or awe the regular deliberation and action of the constituted authorities, are destructive of this fundamental principle, and of fatal tendency. They serve to organize faction, to give it an artificial and extraordinary force; to put, in the place of the delegated will of the nation the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority of the community; and, according to the alternate triumphs of different parties, to make the public administration the mirror of the ill-concerted and incongruous projects of faction, rather than the organ of consistent and wholesome plans digested by common counsels and modified by mutual interests.
  
  However combinations or associations of the above description may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion".
  
  Farewell Address (1796) | Constitution Center

  National Constitution Center Historic Documents Library record for Farewell Address (1796)

  constitutioncenter.org
• The above is where we are today. Do you disagree?
• Recent Gallup Poll (take it for what it's worth says that support of a third viable party is up 63%
  • Support for Third U.S. Political Party Up to 63%
• And, maybe there is another option; no parties, purely a stance and position.
• Has the country outgrown our political party system?

As long as Congress refuses to provide meaningful oversight of the intelligence communities we're stuck with 2 parties.

 

[Billiejeens]

The founders envisioned no political parties. That each man would stand on their own.

How does 1 man standing on his own have the power to govern?

 

[jc456]

As long as Congress refuses to provide meaningful oversight of the intelligence communities we're stuck with 2 parties.

need campaign law that stops funding from corporations and foreign agents.

 

[Billiejeens]

What?

Stupid laws keep people from doing what you said.

 

[jc456]

How does 1 man standing on his own have the power to govern?

MONEY

 

[Cellblock2429]

I would love at least three parties if not four parties.

/——/ Wish granted. Take your pick.

List of political parties in the United States - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[postman]

Stupid laws.

Actually that would include Title VII and the supreme court in:
17-1618 Bostock v. Clayton County (06/15/2020)

 

[Curried Goats]

Stupid laws keep people from doing what you said.

From making laws against evil gays? So you were just crying like a bitch about losing to our superior laws? Oh well. Sad fucking day for you.

 

[postman]

Dude, again, you can't be helped, you are too naive to discuss this topic. Your lack of intelligence can't be helped.

What no proof anybody ever voted for them again.

You inability to show even one of them had people vote for them is proof positive.

dismissed.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Is it time for a legitimate third party?

• Too much political divide on issues that could have a common middle ground?
• Our 2 current parties drive their own agenda, while the a unheard majorities voice is left unheard, seen, or advised.
• In today's political climate, how would a third party get a voice? We are not asking for a seat at the table, but rather, a voice that can be heard. Then let the dominoes fall.
• George Washington warned of political parties subverting the people and leading to despotism. This board that example where many on here, express desire to remove the other in totality.
• From Washington - "...The very idea of the power and the right of the people to establish government presupposes the duty of every individual to obey the established government.
  
  All obstructions to the execution of the laws, all combinations and associations, under whatever plausible character, with the real design to direct, control, counteract, or awe the regular deliberation and action of the constituted authorities, are destructive of this fundamental principle, and of fatal tendency. They serve to organize faction, to give it an artificial and extraordinary force; to put, in the place of the delegated will of the nation the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority of the community; and, according to the alternate triumphs of different parties, to make the public administration the mirror of the ill-concerted and incongruous projects of faction, rather than the organ of consistent and wholesome plans digested by common counsels and modified by mutual interests.
  
  However combinations or associations of the above description may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion".
  
  Farewell Address (1796) | Constitution Center

  National Constitution Center Historic Documents Library record for Farewell Address (1796)

  constitutioncenter.org
• The above is where we are today. Do you disagree?
• Recent Gallup Poll (take it for what it's worth says that support of a third viable party is up 63%
  • Support for Third U.S. Political Party Up to 63%
• And, maybe there is another option; no parties, purely a stance and position.
• Has the country outgrown our political party system?

Given that the ideological divide is so stark, it’d be tough for a 3rd party to gain ground unless it was insanely powerful and coordinated.

It’s always an interesting idea, but I’m not sure it’s practical at the end of the day in todays political climate.

Our MSM and politicians regularly use apocalyptic language to describe if the other side wins (as far as the MSM they just use it against Republicans, not Democrats).

I guess it would come down to where this third party could steal large numbers of Republicans and Democrats.

Given trends, suppose a third party was:

1. Against

• Corporate DEI
• blatant bribery/Super PACs
• rampant Trans/LGBTQ in schools
• funding new wars
• mass Corporate buying of homes
• FDA corruption of food

2. For

• Roe v wade protections
• Closed borders
• term limits
• systemic increased fiscal responsibility
• using true healing rhetoric rather than todays nuclear language by Harris/Biden and Trump

Much of that would take from the GOP, but a platform that could walk the line and establish itself consistently . I dunno

 

[BrokeLoser]

Is it time for a legitimate third party?

• Too much political divide on issues that could have a common middle ground?
• Our 2 current parties drive their own agenda, while the a unheard majorities voice is left unheard, seen, or advised.
• In today's political climate, how would a third party get a voice? We are not asking for a seat at the table, but rather, a voice that can be heard. Then let the dominoes fall.
• George Washington warned of political parties subverting the people and leading to despotism. This board that example where many on here, express desire to remove the other in totality.
• From Washington - "...The very idea of the power and the right of the people to establish government presupposes the duty of every individual to obey the established government.
  
  All obstructions to the execution of the laws, all combinations and associations, under whatever plausible character, with the real design to direct, control, counteract, or awe the regular deliberation and action of the constituted authorities, are destructive of this fundamental principle, and of fatal tendency. They serve to organize faction, to give it an artificial and extraordinary force; to put, in the place of the delegated will of the nation the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority of the community; and, according to the alternate triumphs of different parties, to make the public administration the mirror of the ill-concerted and incongruous projects of faction, rather than the organ of consistent and wholesome plans digested by common counsels and modified by mutual interests.
  
  However combinations or associations of the above description may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion".
  
  Farewell Address (1796) | Constitution Center

  National Constitution Center Historic Documents Library record for Farewell Address (1796)

  constitutioncenter.org
• The above is where we are today. Do you disagree?
• Recent Gallup Poll (take it for what it's worth says that support of a third viable party is up 63%
  • Support for Third U.S. Political Party Up to 63%
• And, maybe there is another option; no parties, purely a stance and position.
• Has the country outgrown our political party system?

PLEASE.

All people have to do is vote for an alternative party and it's a legitimate party. There are always more than two choices.

far past time for one, but it will never happen thanks to the power the Duopoly has over their faithful.

More childlike Political Musing from Liberty "Kid".



Pretty much. The problem isn't the two parties, the problem is that very few of us engage in primaries, and then when it gets to the general election, we say, "How did we get these two dopes?"

The problem is that the electoral college locks us into a two-party system. The best a third party can do is to toss the election into Congress. And we still end up with one of the two parties.



That's wonderful. The problem with third parties is that they are even more extreme than the two main ones.

Third parties' best showing in a while was in 2016 when they got 6% of the vote. So you had the Libertarians, who ran a guy who promised he wouldn't smoke dope in the White House, and the Greens, who had a candidate who was funded entirely as a spoiler by Russia to help Trump.



Well, if you were more mature, you'd realize that at one time, we had conservative Democrats and Liberal Republicans. Then the goo-goos (what the late Mayor Daley called "Do-gooders") got involved, and limited how much money could go to candidates directly. That meant that the national parties became the gatekeepers on who got support.

Here in Chicago, we had one of the last few "Conservative" Democrats, Congressman Dan Lipinski (I went to grammar school with his sister; our families were in the same parish growing up). Danny Boy got the job because his Dad had it, and Dad withdrew after winning the primary, and the party bosses put his son in. He was anti-choice, which was a deal killer for a lot of Democrats, but he still did kind of okay with the working-class white Catholics in Chicago. Until the 2020 primary, when a Bernie-Bot beat him. She served one term before the party bosses effectively eliminated her district.

The thing is that money is the mother's milk of politics, and as long as it goes through Parties and PACs, you are not going to see a lot of ideological variances.

A third party won't change that because the big money won't go to them



Nope, we're stuck with it.

There is "Too much political divide on issues" so you want to bring in a few more parties? Wouldn't that splinter the country more?

I can understand the sentiments but just throwing multiple parties into the mix does not solve; just adds to the noise.

One way we can bring the country together is for the right not to simply listen to the echo chamber that is the right-wing media.

When a majority of Republicans still believe in the lie that the elections were stolen - this after multiple courts have rejected stolen election cases, even by judges appointed by Trump - it tells us the country is divided because of the news we selectively consume.

Ask anybody screaming “THIRD PARTY!!”

“What SELLABLE, VIABLE, SUSTAINABLE, EXECUTABLE policies would a third party run on that would create enough separation from the duopoly and appear desirable by the masses?”

Watch them squirm and provide no reasonable answer.

 

[postman]

Gosh, that is simply not true.

Political Scandals: Clinton/Lewinsky - 1998
The last time people voted for Slick Willie was 1996
And never again.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Ask anybody screaming “THIRD PARTY!!”

“What SELLABLE, VIABLE, SUSTAINABLE, EXECUTABLE policies would a third party run on that would create enough separation from the duopoly and appear desirable by the masses?”

Watch them squirm and provide no reasonable answer.

It is a simple answer...right now there are none.

None of you people care about the debt or spending, which would be the logical one for them to do so. Thus that one is out.

They could run on smaller Govt and more freedom, but again you duopoly members do not want that so there are not many people that would join the 3rd party.

We are stuck with the duopoly, just as they worked to ensure

 

[Curried Goats]

It is a simple answer...right now there are none.

None of you people care about the debt or spending, which would be the logical one for them to do so. Thus that one is out.

They could run on smaller Govt and more freedom, but again you duopoly members do not want that so there are not many people that would join the 3rd party.

We are stuck with the duopoly, just as they worked to ensure

So what you're saying is your political ideology lacks political support? That would appear to be a barrier for successful politics....

 

[Billiejeens]

MONEY

Explain that.