Is it time for a legitimate third party?

[rampart]

No, the further left we get the further away from the constitution. The Constitution should frame EVERYTHING. But the left, from my perspective, is moving to dismantle the constitution.

you need a wider perspective, and a better understanding of the constitution.

 

[Blaster]

We will never have a 3rd party candidate because too many folks vote Democrat or Republican.

 

[Polishprince]

There are plenty of legitimate 3rd parties in the USA already.

The CPUSA, Socialist Workers, Worker's World, Progressive Labor, American Nazi, Prohibition.

The problem these parties have is that they lose elections. Get enough like minded people, and the Nazis and Communists will turn it around.

 

[wamose]

I look at MAGA, America first, the commonsense party or whatever you want to call Trumpers, as the closest thing we will ever have to a third party. Trumpers are the only group that puts the people and our constitution first. Neocons and Democrats are establishment robber barons, fighting to preserve their ability to rob the taxpayers. MAGA

 

[postman]

No, the further left we get the further away from the constitution. The Constitution should frame EVERYTHING. But the left, from my perspective, is moving to dismantle the constitution.

First the founders did not want a constitution that "framed everything".
Remember, they were writing with quill pens on parchment, so they chose to use as few words as possible.

An example of a "frame everything" constitution is that of India.

The Constitution of India is 146,385 words long in its English-language version

 

[Curried Goats]

The duopoly has spent the last 30 years convincing their followers that the other side is so evil that a vote for anyone but them means the end of the world.

You see it on this forum 1000 times a day.

I see a lot of this type of narrative from third party types. Aren't you just expressing the same sort of sentiment that the people who don't side with you are clueless? How is that much different than demagoguing the other side is evil?

 

[Magnus]

Is it time for a legitimate third party?

• Too much political divide on issues that could have a common middle ground?
• Our 2 current parties drive their own agenda, while the a unheard majorities voice is left unheard, seen, or advised.
• In today's political climate, how would a third party get a voice? We are not asking for a seat at the table, but rather, a voice that can be heard. Then let the dominoes fall.
• George Washington warned of political parties subverting the people and leading to despotism. This board that example where many on here, express desire to remove the other in totality.
• From Washington - "...The very idea of the power and the right of the people to establish government presupposes the duty of every individual to obey the established government.
  
  All obstructions to the execution of the laws, all combinations and associations, under whatever plausible character, with the real design to direct, control, counteract, or awe the regular deliberation and action of the constituted authorities, are destructive of this fundamental principle, and of fatal tendency. They serve to organize faction, to give it an artificial and extraordinary force; to put, in the place of the delegated will of the nation the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority of the community; and, according to the alternate triumphs of different parties, to make the public administration the mirror of the ill-concerted and incongruous projects of faction, rather than the organ of consistent and wholesome plans digested by common counsels and modified by mutual interests.
  
  However combinations or associations of the above description may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion".
  
  Farewell Address (1796) | Constitution Center

  National Constitution Center Historic Documents Library record for Farewell Address (1796)

  constitutioncenter.org
• The above is where we are today. Do you disagree?
• Recent Gallup Poll (take it for what it's worth says that support of a third viable party is up 63%
  • Support for Third U.S. Political Party Up to 63%
• And, maybe there is another option; no parties, purely a stance and position.
• Has the country outgrown our political party system?

There is "Too much political divide on issues" so you want to bring in a few more parties? Wouldn't that splinter the country more?

I can understand the sentiments but just throwing multiple parties into the mix does not solve; just adds to the noise.

One way we can bring the country together is for the right not to simply listen to the echo chamber that is the right-wing media.

When a majority of Republicans still believe in the lie that the elections were stolen - this after multiple courts have rejected stolen election cases, even by judges appointed by Trump - it tells us the country is divided because of the news we selectively consume.

 

[Curried Goats]

What I'd like to see is a party that's priority is communication, collaboration and innovation. Not partisan slant.

Wipe the slates clean and start with new ideas from across the spectrum so that everyone has skin in the game. The way the Consitution was created.

Sounds like an ad guy telling me they want to accelerate our verticals. What the fuck does any of that actually mean though?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I see a lot of this type of narrative from third party types. Aren't you just expressing the same sort of sentiment that the people who don't side with you are clueless? How is that much different than demagoguing the other side is evil?

all one has to do is read a forum like this and see that I am correct.

 

[JWBooth]

Is it time for a legitimate third party?​

Oh look! This again!
Usually pops up a little earlier before election day.

 

[Curried Goats]

all one has to do is read a forum like this and see that I am correct.

That's supposition. Explain how you're correct. I think you're confusing personal anecdote for rational argument. I disagree with almost all Republican policy but I don't think they're evil. And I disagree with a lot of Democratic Party policy but I think it still provides a better outcome than Republican policy. I'm voting per my own self interest. What makes you think anyone is doing any different?

 

[Magnus]

First the founders did not want a constitution that "framed everything".
Remember, they were writing with quill pens on parchment, so they chose to use as few words as possible.

An example of a "frame everything" constitution is that of India.

The Constitution of India is 146,385 words long in its English-language version

Actually, the Indian Constitution is closer to 117,369 words.

[Solved] Indian Constitution was made up of how many words?

The correct answer is 117,369. Key Points Initially, when the constitution was completed, the Constitution of India contained 22 Parts, 395 A

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[konradv]

Is it time for a legitimate third party?

• Too much political divide on issues that could have a common middle ground?
• Our 2 current parties drive their own agenda, while the a unheard majorities voice is left unheard, seen, or advised.
• In today's political climate, how would a third party get a voice? We are not asking for a seat at the table, but rather, a voice that can be heard. Then let the dominoes fall.
• George Washington warned of political parties subverting the people and leading to despotism. This board that example where many on here, express desire to remove the other in totality.
• From Washington - "...The very idea of the power and the right of the people to establish government presupposes the duty of every individual to obey the established government.
  
  All obstructions to the execution of the laws, all combinations and associations, under whatever plausible character, with the real design to direct, control, counteract, or awe the regular deliberation and action of the constituted authorities, are destructive of this fundamental principle, and of fatal tendency. They serve to organize faction, to give it an artificial and extraordinary force; to put, in the place of the delegated will of the nation the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority of the community; and, according to the alternate triumphs of different parties, to make the public administration the mirror of the ill-concerted and incongruous projects of faction, rather than the organ of consistent and wholesome plans digested by common counsels and modified by mutual interests.
  
  However combinations or associations of the above description may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion".
  
  Farewell Address (1796) | Constitution Center

  National Constitution Center Historic Documents Library record for Farewell Address (1796)

  constitutioncenter.org
• The above is where we are today. Do you disagree?
• Recent Gallup Poll (take it for what it's worth says that support of a third viable party is up 63%
  • Support for Third U.S. Political Party Up to 63%
• And, maybe there is another option; no parties, purely a stance and position.
• Has the country outgrown our political party system?

Liz is working on it.

#LOYALOPPOSITION

 

[rampart]

There are plenty of legitimate 3rd parties in the USA already.

The CPUSA, Socialist Workers, Worker's World, Progressive Labor, American Nazi, Prohibition.

The problem these parties have is that they lose elections.

not nearly the problem these "parties "{ would be if they won elections.,

 

[theHawk]

Is it time for a legitimate third party?

• Too much political divide on issues that could have a common middle ground?
• Our 2 current parties drive their own agenda, while the a unheard majorities voice is left unheard, seen, or advised.
• In today's political climate, how would a third party get a voice? We are not asking for a seat at the table, but rather, a voice that can be heard. Then let the dominoes fall.
• George Washington warned of political parties subverting the people and leading to despotism. This board that example where many on here, express desire to remove the other in totality.
• From Washington - "...The very idea of the power and the right of the people to establish government presupposes the duty of every individual to obey the established government.
  
  All obstructions to the execution of the laws, all combinations and associations, under whatever plausible character, with the real design to direct, control, counteract, or awe the regular deliberation and action of the constituted authorities, are destructive of this fundamental principle, and of fatal tendency. They serve to organize faction, to give it an artificial and extraordinary force; to put, in the place of the delegated will of the nation the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority of the community; and, according to the alternate triumphs of different parties, to make the public administration the mirror of the ill-concerted and incongruous projects of faction, rather than the organ of consistent and wholesome plans digested by common counsels and modified by mutual interests.
  
  However combinations or associations of the above description may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion".
  
  Farewell Address (1796) | Constitution Center

  National Constitution Center Historic Documents Library record for Farewell Address (1796)

  constitutioncenter.org
• The above is where we are today. Do you disagree?
• Recent Gallup Poll (take it for what it's worth says that support of a third viable party is up 63%
  • Support for Third U.S. Political Party Up to 63%
• And, maybe there is another option; no parties, purely a stance and position.
• Has the country outgrown our political party system?

Black nationalists should start their own party. The Dems have failed them miserably.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

That's supposition. Explain how you're correct. I think you're confusing personal anecdote for rational argument. I disagree with almost all Republican policy but I don't think they're evil. And I disagree with a lot of Democratic Party policy but I think it still provides a better outcome than Republican policy. I'm voting per my own self interest. What makes you think anyone is doing any different?

What makes me think anyone is doing anything different, the words they say and post.

You are free to disagree with me, I could really not care less.

 

[Magnus]

I look at MAGA, America first, the commonsense party or whatever you want to call Trumpers, as the closest thing we will ever have to a third party. Trumpers are the only group that puts the people and our constitution first. Neocons and Democrats are establishment robber barons, fighting to preserve their ability to rob the taxpayers. MAGA

LOL Attacking the Capitol and trying to lynch the VP because your guy lost is how they put "people and our constitution first"?

Now tell us how the orange rapist, racist, pussy grabber is the second coming of Jesus.

 

[Curried Goats]

What makes me think anyone is doing anything different, the words they say and post.

You are free to disagree with me, I could really not care less.

And that most people do is why you don't have a viable third party.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

And that most people do is why you don't have a viable third party.

sure that's it!

 

[JoeB131]

The problem with third parties is that they try to work from the Top down, instead of the bottom up.

Ignoring the fact that the electoral college makes a Two-Party system inevitable. 1860 was effectively the last mutli-party election, right before it hit the fan with the Civil War.

The last time that a third party even won any electors was 1968, and that was only because of a schism in the Democratic Party between conservative Dems following Wallace and liberal dems in the rest of the country.