Is it time for a legitimate third party?

[Curried Goats]

sure that's it!

No. It's some super secret reason that only you know....

 

[rampart]

I look at MAGA, America first, the commonsense party or whatever you want to call Trumpers, as the closest thing we will ever have to a third party. Trumpers are the only group that puts the people and our constitution first. Neocons and Democrats are establishment robber barons, fighting to preserve their ability to rob the taxpayers. MAGA

trumpers put trump first, all other repubs are "rinos." the constitution, to trump, is a sacred document that lawyers are paid to find ways around.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

No. It's some super secret reason that only you know....

Not secret at all, the two parties have been very open about it. They have not even tried to hide their efforts to keep the country divided as possible.

 

[Curried Goats]

Not secret at all, the two parties have been very open about it. They have not even tried to hide their efforts to keep the country divided as possible.

People are divided. No one has to do that. We are individuals with different wants and goals. Politics isn't a means of ending division, it's a means of settling them without violence. Is there some reason Republicans aren't allowed to think gays are evil and seek policies to mitigate that evil?

 

[jc456]

Is it time for a legitimate third party?

• Too much political divide on issues that could have a common middle ground?
• Our 2 current parties drive their own agenda, while the a unheard majorities voice is left unheard, seen, or advised.
• In today's political climate, how would a third party get a voice? We are not asking for a seat at the table, but rather, a voice that can be heard. Then let the dominoes fall.
• George Washington warned of political parties subverting the people and leading to despotism. This board that example where many on here, express desire to remove the other in totality.
• From Washington - "...The very idea of the power and the right of the people to establish government presupposes the duty of every individual to obey the established government.
  
  All obstructions to the execution of the laws, all combinations and associations, under whatever plausible character, with the real design to direct, control, counteract, or awe the regular deliberation and action of the constituted authorities, are destructive of this fundamental principle, and of fatal tendency. They serve to organize faction, to give it an artificial and extraordinary force; to put, in the place of the delegated will of the nation the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority of the community; and, according to the alternate triumphs of different parties, to make the public administration the mirror of the ill-concerted and incongruous projects of faction, rather than the organ of consistent and wholesome plans digested by common counsels and modified by mutual interests.
  
  However combinations or associations of the above description may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion".
  
  Farewell Address (1796) | Constitution Center

  National Constitution Center Historic Documents Library record for Farewell Address (1796)

  constitutioncenter.org
• The above is where we are today. Do you disagree?
• Recent Gallup Poll (take it for what it's worth says that support of a third viable party is up 63%
  • Support for Third U.S. Political Party Up to 63%
• And, maybe there is another option; no parties, purely a stance and position.
• Has the country outgrown our political party system?

need funding, where's that coming from?

 

[jc456]

trumpers put trump first, all other repubs are "rinos." the constitution, to trump, is a sacred document that lawyers are paid to find ways around.

demofks don't put demofks first?

Why don't you fkers ever use common fking sense?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

People are divided. No one has to do that.

To a certain extent this is true. But it is far more than natural in today's society. Everything now is broken down by partisan politics. Sports, movies, beer, where to eat, you name it and there is a dividing line along party views.

This is not natural, this is not the way it was in the past.

Politics isn't a means of ending dividion, it's a means of settling them without violence.

That is the way it once was, but now politics is a means to create division, to push the two sides as far as part as possible.

A divided group of people are far easier to control.

 

[Curried Goats]

To a certain extent this is true. But it is far more than natural in today's society.

How do you know what's natural? Let's hear that argument.

Everything now is broken down by partisan politics. Sports, movies, beer, where to eat, you name it and there is a dividing line along party views.

You mean there's differences of opinion on multiple subjects? You dont say! Where has our hive mentality gone?

Ever heard of Muhammad Ali? Jackie Robinson? John Carlos?

This is not natural, this is not the way it was in the past.

What's unnatural about differences of opinion?

That is the way it once was, but now politics is a means to create division, to push the two sides as far as part as possible.

What? When was this fairytale time? The American apartheid days of segregation?

A divided group of people are far easier to control.

Thank you fortune cookie.

 

[rampart]

demofks don't put demofks first?

Why don't you fkers ever use common fking sense?

no. i put my family and my country first and respect the constitution.

politicians come and go. why doesn't trump just GO.

 

[Votto]

Is it time for a legitimate third party?

• Too much political divide on issues that could have a common middle ground?
• Our 2 current parties drive their own agenda, while the a unheard majorities voice is left unheard, seen, or advised.
• In today's political climate, how would a third party get a voice? We are not asking for a seat at the table, but rather, a voice that can be heard. Then let the dominoes fall.
• George Washington warned of political parties subverting the people and leading to despotism. This board that example where many on here, express desire to remove the other in totality.
• From Washington - "...The very idea of the power and the right of the people to establish government presupposes the duty of every individual to obey the established government.
  
  All obstructions to the execution of the laws, all combinations and associations, under whatever plausible character, with the real design to direct, control, counteract, or awe the regular deliberation and action of the constituted authorities, are destructive of this fundamental principle, and of fatal tendency. They serve to organize faction, to give it an artificial and extraordinary force; to put, in the place of the delegated will of the nation the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority of the community; and, according to the alternate triumphs of different parties, to make the public administration the mirror of the ill-concerted and incongruous projects of faction, rather than the organ of consistent and wholesome plans digested by common counsels and modified by mutual interests.
  
  However combinations or associations of the above description may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion".
  
  Farewell Address (1796) | Constitution Center

  National Constitution Center Historic Documents Library record for Farewell Address (1796)

  constitutioncenter.org
• The above is where we are today. Do you disagree?
• Recent Gallup Poll (take it for what it's worth says that support of a third viable party is up 63%
  • Support for Third U.S. Political Party Up to 63%
• And, maybe there is another option; no parties, purely a stance and position.
• Has the country outgrown our political party system?

Total waste of time

The issue is that the Federal government has become too centralized and powerful.

The problem there is, power corrupts

So, sure, put in a third party who will be just as corrupt because of all the power that is at stake.

Instead, we need to champion the Article V movement to put amendments by the states to take away from of that power from the Federal government and give it back to the states where it belongs. It has never been done, but the Founders put it there for that exact reason.

 

[LibertyKid]

There is "Too much political divide on issues" so you want to bring in a few more parties? Wouldn't that splinter the country more
I can understand the sentiments but just throwing multiple parties into the mix does not solve; just adds to the noise.

And maybe it's not a party, but a person(s) that have a voice that is heard. I don't know how it's done, but the current process is not working.

One way we can bring the country together is for the right not to simply listen to the echo chamber that is the right-wing media.

And this is exactly what I'm talking about. Let's not pretend, that the majority of the MSM, which is left, doesn't do the same, if not worse.

When a majority of Republicans still believe in the lie that the elections were stolen - this after multiple courts have rejected stolen election cases, even by judges appointed by Trump - it tells us the country is divided because of the news we selectively consume.

Same can be said for the left: Trump is hitler, fascist, threat to democracy, yadda yadda yadda. Your post is exactly what we have to get away from. And maybe it's the MSM that needs to be held accountable for biases on both the left and right.

 

[postman]

demofks don't put demofks first?

Nope. When it came to their choice for presidential nominee in 2024, they put the country first, and not their chosen candidate.

 

[LibertyKid]

Total waste of time

The issue is that the Federal government has become too centralized and powerful.

Not wrong. But we the people are to blame for it.

The problem there is, power corrupts

So, sure, put in a third party who will be just as corrupt because of all the power that is at stake.

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Instead, we need to champion the Article V movement to put amendments by the states to take away from of that power. It has never been done, but the Founders put it there for that exact reason.

Very plausible approach. We all understand that the constitution is not perfect, but it is the base.

 

[postman]

Total waste of time

The issue is that the Federal government has become too centralized and powerful.

Tell that to the 50 states that keep asking FEMA for help.

Weaken the central government, and each state would have to stand on it's own.

 

[jc456]

Nope. When it came to their choice for presidential nominee in 2024, they put the country first, and not their chosen candidate.

sureeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee LMMFAO

 

[LibertyKid]

you need a wider perspective, and a better understanding of the constitution.

Maybe. What we do know is that constitution can be amended, changed and ratified. It is a basis for all things, but still imperfect. Yet, the people have the power to toss out the gov't, if a time comes, when the gov't no longer serves the people. But the people don't care, because the federal gov't has become too big, too powerful, and the gov't relies on political ignorance.

 

[Votto]

Tell that to the 50 states that keep asking FEMA for help.

Weaken the central government, and each state would have to stand on it's own.

Human nature naturally gravitates towards easy money, which comes from the Feds, which makes the system corrupt.

That is the problem.

The majority of voters favor some sort of balanced budget amendment so that the federal government cannot throw money at every man, woman, and child on the planet so that they will have sway over them, but the only way to get it done is through the Article V movement. Congress certainly won't limit the amount of money they are given to do whatever the hell they want, Kamala giving millions to Lebanon while saying FEMA is broke. The states have to impose their will on them to get it done

 

[postman]

sureeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee LMMFAO

You mean Joe Biden is still running for president?

 

[LibertyKid]

People are divided. No one has to do that. We are individuals with different wants and goals. Politics isn't a means of ending division, it's a means of settling them without violence. Is there some reason Republicans aren't allowed to think gays are evil and seek policies to mitigate that evil?

false equivalence. And maybe change comes about when everyone stops stereotyping Dems and Republicans. Not every conservative believes gays are evil as you speculate. And not every Dem is a marxist commie trying to usurp the Gov't. This is my point. There is an unheard majority that doesn't align with party lines.

 

[LibertyKid]

need funding, where's that coming from?

Maybe that's part of the problem.