Is it time for a legitimate third party?

[Mrkelly]

Berni could have and should have won as a third party choice

But he cucked out for the corporate dems that fucked him over

It will never happen unless we get public funded elections

And ranked voting

 

[jc456]

What we have here is a (catastrophic) failure to communicate.

Perhaps explain what you mean by one man? One man what? no one else anywhere?

 

[jc456]

Real core Americans reject everything you stand for.

so only you can state what is a real american? you've failed on your first post. It's more obvious daily you have no idea of the country constitution and what the country is about.

 

[dblack]

That is untrue, the reason there are no powerful third parties is because they sellout to the Democrats or Republicans for a smaller piece of the pie. Look at Bernie, he sold out millions for a book deal and a third house.

Sometimes. But the biggest reason there are two dominant parties is the lesser-of-two-evils nonsense, which is baked into plurality voting. Ranked choice voting would neutralize that, and we'd get a more realistic picture of voter preferences.

 

[jc456]

So
How does that single person create and pass legislation?

what legislation? there would be no legislative body. You said one man.

 

[jc456]

Sometimes. But the biggest reason there are two dominant parties is the lesser-of-two-evils nonsense, which is baked into plurality voting. Ranked choice voting would neutralize that, and we'd get a more realistic picture of voter preferences.

oh bullshit.

 

[dblack]

oh bullshit.

Can't argue with that logic.

 

[jc456]

Can't argue with that logic.

you have no logic.

 

[dblack]

you have no logic.

Well said. You're a rhetorical genius.

 

[jc456]

Well said. You're a rhetorical genius.

I post truths. And you still can't use logic.

 

[dblack]

I post truths. And you still can't use logic.

"oh bullshit"

 

[sartre play]

People are divided. No one has to do that. We are individuals with different wants and goals. Politics isn't a means of ending division, it's a means of settling them without violence. Is there some reason Republicans aren't allowed to think gays are evil and seek policies to mitigate that evil?

Your vote choice being down to some demand for social issues.
& not looking for some one with the skills necessary to steer The government FOR ALL.
an attempt to UNITE ALL OF US. Not to further divide US.

 

[Mac-7]

Is it time for a legitimate third party?

• Too much political divide on issues that could have a common middle ground?
• Our 2 current parties drive their own agenda, while the a unheard majorities voice is left unheard, seen, or advised.
• In today's political climate, how would a third party get a voice? We are not asking for a seat at the table, but rather, a voice that can be heard. Then let the dominoes fall.
• George Washington warned of political parties subverting the people and leading to despotism. This board that example where many on here, express desire to remove the other in totality.
• From Washington - "...The very idea of the power and the right of the people to establish government presupposes the duty of every individual to obey the established government.
  
  All obstructions to the execution of the laws, all combinations and associations, under whatever plausible character, with the real design to direct, control, counteract, or awe the regular deliberation and action of the constituted authorities, are destructive of this fundamental principle, and of fatal tendency. They serve to organize faction, to give it an artificial and extraordinary force; to put, in the place of the delegated will of the nation the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority of the community; and, according to the alternate triumphs of different parties, to make the public administration the mirror of the ill-concerted and incongruous projects of faction, rather than the organ of consistent and wholesome plans digested by common counsels and modified by mutual interests.
  
  However combinations or associations of the above description may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion".
  
  Farewell Address (1796) | Constitution Center

  National Constitution Center Historic Documents Library record for Farewell Address (1796)

  constitutioncenter.org
• The above is where we are today. Do you disagree?
• Recent Gallup Poll (take it for what it's worth says that support of a third viable party is up 63%
  • Support for Third U.S. Political Party Up to 63%
• And, maybe there is another option; no parties, purely a stance and position.
• Has the country outgrown our political party system?

The fence jockeys that would be in a 3rd party would never get along with each other much less run the country

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Ok.... and? Some people do think some of those are bad things as is their political right. I think the freedom to deny gays or black people service to be a bad thing. What of it?

Yes, as I said people do not want more freedom, thus as you said...my political ideology lacks political support.

Thanks for proving my point for me.

Ok. So what then are you cutting programs or raising taxes? And which ones?

I would start by cutting 3% per year from each agency for 4 years. Let the agencies choose what to cut. The first two years alone could be accomplished with cutting out waste and removing the "use it or lose it next year" mentality of the Fed Govt when it comes to funds.

I would also raise taxes to make up the difference. Starting with SS, which should be self funded and never add a dime to our deficit.

 

[dblack]

so only you can state what is a real american?

Anyone who's read some history can make that call.

 

[Billiejeens]

Berni could have and should have won as a third party choice

But he cucked out for the corporate dems that fucked him over

It will never happen unless we get public funded elections

And ranked voting

No chance
No fucking chance at all.

 

[toobfreak]

Is it time for a legitimate third party?

Sadly, no. While there are two sides to every argument, have you ever heard of one having 3 or 4?
Every fence has 2 sides--- ever see one that had 3 or 4?

What would happen if there were 3 or 4 parties, now you would likely have no more than any one person getting 30% of the vote, maybe only 25. Who would that represent?
Can you see Congress never passing anything with 3-4 different groups all arguing?

That is the problem. For every candidate pulling for going in one direction, every rope only has 2 ends, to pull in the other.
Voters can't keep up with the positions of two opposing candidates, how would they ever decide between 3 or 4?

 

[JohnDB]

What we do NOT want is "mob rule".
It sounds anti-democratic but in truth it's the best way to deal with our nature as humans.
We are a republic....we must.
Because we people tend to vote ourselves immediate money in our pockets over the life and health of our nation as a whole.

Republican voters will readily admit they fear the Government taking everything they have.
Democrats have a false belief that the Government is filled with the best and brightest minds.

Both are false beliefs based on a few isolated stories promoted beyond reality.

And in truth, this nation was founded upon roughly 25-30% of the populations vote with the rest abstaining either through ignorance or apathy.
Communication wasn't all that good in 1776. It only got worse through the Civil War era.

 

[Rogue AI]

Sometimes. But the biggest reason there are two dominant parties is the lesser-of-two-evils nonsense, which is baked into plurality voting. Ranked choice voting would neutralize that, and we'd get a more realistic picture of voter preferences.

Ranked choice is patently unconstitutional and needs to be ended. One person, one vote, not this silliness that ends up rewarding subpar losers like Mayor Adams in NYC.

 

[toobfreak]

No chance
No fucking chance at all.

Ranked voting is just about the most stupid, dangerous, and corruptible idea to steal an election I've ever heard of. It allow you to vote for one person as your top choice but then use your vote for the person 3rd or 4th on your list which you only included because you were required to but never actually intended to vote for.