Is it time for a legitimate third party?

[jc456]

Explain that.

someone will always pay for their agenda. And humans will remain humans in politics.

 

[postman]

someone will always pay for their agenda. And humans will remain humans in politics.

Aren't there laws against that.
Like campaign finance laws?

 

[jc456]

Aren't there laws against that.
Like campaign finance laws?

not anymore. You never heard of a lobbyist?

Amazes me still today how fking out of touch about america you demofks are.

 

[BrokeLoser]

It is a simple answer...right now there are none.

None of you people care about the debt or spending, which would be the logical one for them to do so. Thus that one is out.

They could run on smaller Govt and more freedom, but again you duopoly members do not want that so there are not many people that would join the 3rd party.

We are stuck with the duopoly, just as they worked to ensure

I’ve explained this to you pknopp and dblack at least 17 times before.
Real core American DO care about and desire those things you mentioned…BUT….You bleeding heart globalist fools have fucked yourselves BIG-TIME. You built a new America with new ‘Americans’…desperate, needy, taxpayer dependent ’Americans’…These foreigners with voting rights can’t give two-fucks about the core principles and values of this nation, they can’t give two-fucks about the future of this nation, they can’t tell you what famous phrase titles our Preamble.
You have nobody to blame but yourselves…you fucked all…BIG-TIME!

 

[Votto]

what the fk does this even mean? if you want followers wouldn't you need to present an agenda people will accept? Isn't that a slant? Is there actually a mechanism to avoid having a slant for a candidate? Isn't that sort of what the process is about? The fk dude, you are truly one messed up human. wow.

Again, wouldn't you follow any new ideas and like to see someone push those ideas? How is it exactly different than what exists?

Finally, how would they fund this party?

Only when you see the way Mac sees the world do you not have partisan slant.

Why are so biased against Mr. Objectivity?

 

[jc456]

I’ve explained this to you pknopp and dblack at least 17 times before.
Real core American DO care about and desire those things you mentioned…BUT….You bleeding heart globalist fools have fucked yourselves BIG-TIME. You built a new America with new ‘Americans’…desperate, needy, taxpayer dependent ’Americans’…These foreigners with voting rights can’t give two-fucks about the core principles and values of this nation, they can’t give two-fucks about the future of this nation, they can’t tell you what famous phrase titles our Preamble.
You have nobody to blame but yourselves…you fucked all…BIG-TIME!

we all voted for moving jobs overseas and depleting american middle class. both parties are responsible, Trump brought that to a bright light with his Tariffs talk and actions. Saw one of the Chicago Business guys who finally got the jest of it.

 

[jc456]

Only when you see the way Mac sees the world do you not have partisan slant.

Why are so biased against Mr. Objectivity?

how can anyone ever agree with him? that would require that to be true. He's a fking moron

 

[Billiejeens]

someone will always pay for their agenda. And humans will remain humans in politics.

So
How does that single person create and pass legislation?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

So what you're saying is your political ideology lacks political support? That would appear to be a barrier for successful politics....

Indeed it is. Fiscal responsibility and freedom lack political support in this country.

You could not be more correct

 

[jc456]

So
How does that single person create and pass legislation?

MONEY. It's how we are here now!!! After money comes the threats to family and friends and anyone who starts to have opposition.

Diddy
Epstein
etc......

 

[Curried Goats]

Indeed it is. Fiscal responsibility and freedom lack political support in this country.

You could not be more correct

Freedom is generic and so is fiscal responsibility. Freedom to do what and fiscal responsibility in what regard? Like I said to Mac1958 , it sounds like you're trying to sell me on accelerating my verticals. Problem is I don't know what the fuck that means.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I’ve explained this to you pknopp and dblack at least 17 times before.
Real core American DO care about and desire those things you mentioned…BUT….You bleeding heart globalist fools have fucked yourselves BIG-TIME. You built a new America with new ‘Americans’…desperate, needy, taxpayer dependent ’Americans’…These foreigners with voting rights can’t give two-fucks about the core principles and values of this nation, they can’t give two-fucks about the future of this nation, they can’t tell you what famous phrase titles our Preamble.
You have nobody to blame but yourselves…you fucked all…BIG-TIME!

That is a nice story you tell yourself, but nobody else buys it.

 

[LeftofLeft]

/——/ Wish granted. Take your pick.

List of political parties in the United States - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I should have clarified…. I would like three or four viable parties that are on parity with the two established parties. Only the People can make that happen.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Freedom to do what

Have the Govt out of our lives to the fullest extent possible.

It is really not that complicated. In a post about Uruguay a rightwinger pointed out they have fully legalized pot, same-sex marriage, prostitution, and abortion, as if it were a bad thing.

fiscal responsibility in what regard

In not spending more money that comes in. It is not really complicated at all.

 

[jc456]

Freedom is generic and so is fiscal responsibility. Freedom to do what and fiscal responsibility in what regard? Like I said to Mac1958 , it sounds like you're trying to sell me on accelerating my verticals. Problem is I don't know what the fuck that means.

because he doesn't know. It just sounded neat to him.

 

[Rogue AI]

far past time for one, but it will never happen thanks to the power the Duopoly has over their faithful.

That is untrue, the reason there are no powerful third parties is because they sellout to the Democrats or Republicans for a smaller piece of the pie. Look at Bernie, he sold out millions for a book deal and a third house.

 

[Curried Goats]

Have the Govt out of our lives to the fullest extent possible.

What does that even mean though? You could fuck off into the woods and have no government. How about the freedom for businesses to deny black people a seat at the lunch counter? Is that the kind of freedom you support?

It is really not that complicated.

Well not when you arent being specific it isnt. It gets complicated when you start advocating for actual policies instead of just Ra! Ra! Freedom!

In a post about Uruguay a rightwinger pointed out they have fully legalized pot, same-sex marriage, prostitution, and abortion, as if it were a bad thing.

Ok.... and? Some people do think some of those are bad things as is their political right. I think the freedom to deny gays or black people service to be a bad thing. What of it?

In not spending more money that comes in. It is not really complicated at all.

Ok. So what then are you cutting programs or raising taxes? And which ones?

 

[Foxfyre]

Is it time for a legitimate third party?

• Too much political divide on issues that could have a common middle ground?
• Our 2 current parties drive their own agenda, while the a unheard majorities voice is left unheard, seen, or advised.
• In today's political climate, how would a third party get a voice? We are not asking for a seat at the table, but rather, a voice that can be heard. Then let the dominoes fall.
• George Washington warned of political parties subverting the people and leading to despotism. This board that example where many on here, express desire to remove the other in totality.
• From Washington - "...The very idea of the power and the right of the people to establish government presupposes the duty of every individual to obey the established government.
  
  All obstructions to the execution of the laws, all combinations and associations, under whatever plausible character, with the real design to direct, control, counteract, or awe the regular deliberation and action of the constituted authorities, are destructive of this fundamental principle, and of fatal tendency. They serve to organize faction, to give it an artificial and extraordinary force; to put, in the place of the delegated will of the nation the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority of the community; and, according to the alternate triumphs of different parties, to make the public administration the mirror of the ill-concerted and incongruous projects of faction, rather than the organ of consistent and wholesome plans digested by common counsels and modified by mutual interests.
  
  However combinations or associations of the above description may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion".
  
  Farewell Address (1796) | Constitution Center

  National Constitution Center Historic Documents Library record for Farewell Address (1796)

  constitutioncenter.org
• The above is where we are today. Do you disagree?
• Recent Gallup Poll (take it for what it's worth says that support of a third viable party is up 63%
  • Support for Third U.S. Political Party Up to 63%
• And, maybe there is another option; no parties, purely a stance and position.
• Has the country outgrown our political party system?

There are already numerous choices. If you don't like the Democrats or GOP you can vote Libertarian or Independent or Green or sometimes the Constitution Party has a candidate on the ballotl. The Democrats don't want any competition though which is why they tried so hard to keep RFK Jr, Jill Stein and Cornell West off the ballot. They don't mess with the Libertarians or Constitution Party because they figure any votes they pull will hurt the GOP.

 

[Billiejeens]

MONEY. It's how we are here now!!! After money comes the threats to family and friends and anyone who starts to have opposition.

Diddy
Epstein
etc......

What we have here is a (catastrophic) failure to communicate.

 

[dblack]

I’ve explained this to you pknopp and dblack at least 17 times before.

And it sounds more ridiculous with each iteration.

Real core American DO care about . .

Real core Americans reject everything you stand for.