Zone1 Is it the "New Covenant"? "Old Covenant"? Or,.... The "Renewed Covenant"?

... on the part of Mankind that commits itself to accepting/honoring the Almighty Lord God, ...
Where is this "almighty lord god" you're talking about? Have you met him? Have you heard him speak? Has he written anything you've read?
God spoke to Moses, and said to him, “I am Yahweh"
Oh, I see. It was this guy Moses he spoke to, not you. But "yahweh"? I thought you said his name was "god".
... and I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob,
"I appeared"? Who wrote that and why should he appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob but not you?
... as God Almighty; but by my name Yahweh I was not known to them.
Oh, so Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob didn't know who they observed so they just made up the name "god" but this god fellow told them his name was yahweh. Did it all take place as a "twenty questions game" at someone's birthday party?
- I have also established my covenant with them - I have heard the groaning of the children of Israel - Therefore tell the children of Israel, ‘I am Yahweh - I will bring you out - I will rid you out of their - I will take you to me for a people, - I am Yahweh your God - Those of you who are left will pine away - they walked contrary to me - I also walked contrary to them - I will remember my covenant - I will remember the land - The land also will be left by them, - I will not reject them - I am Yahweh their God - I will for their sake remember - I will make your pinnacles of rubies- my righteousness will soon be revealed - I will give them in my house - I will bring these to my holy mountain, - I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes - I will make a new covenant - I will make with the house of Israel -
Whew! Enough of this word salad.
- I will write it in their heart.
He didn't even write it on paper. Even papyrus would have been sufficient but he didn't even do that. It sounds to me like baloney ....... the phoney kind. But if you can produce the original scriptures in god/yaweh's own handwriting then you can convert me quick-quick! :bow2:
 
Where is this "almighty lord god" you're talking about? Have you met him? Have you heard him speak? Has he written anything you've read?

Oh, I see. It was this guy Moses he spoke to, not you. But "yahweh"? I thought you said his name was "god".

"I appeared"? Who wrote that and why should he appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob but not you?

Oh, so Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob didn't know who they observed so they just made up the name "god" but this god fellow told them his name was yahweh. Did it all take place as a "twenty questions game" at someone's birthday party?

Whew! Enough of this word salad.

He didn't even write it on paper. Even papyrus would have been sufficient but he didn't even do that. It sounds to me like baloney ....... the phoney kind. But if you can produce the original scriptures in god/yaweh's own handwriting then you can convert me quick-quick! :bow2:
Other than "attempting" to disrupt this topic Glas,..... Do You have something important to say?
 
Where is this "almighty lord god" you're talking about? Have you met him? Have you heard him speak? Has he written anything you've read?

Oh, I see. It was this guy Moses he spoke to, not you. But "yahweh"? I thought you said his name was "god".

"I appeared"? Who wrote that and why should he appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob but not you?

Oh, so Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob didn't know who they observed so they just made up the name "god" but this god fellow told them his name was yahweh. Did it all take place as a "twenty questions game" at someone's birthday party?

Whew! Enough of this word salad.

He didn't even write it on paper. Even papyrus would have been sufficient but he didn't even do that. It sounds to me like baloney ....... the phoney kind. But if you can produce the original scriptures in god/yaweh's own handwriting then you can convert me quick-quick! :bow2:
The Jews are the most successful culture in human history. Maybe they are on to something. The atheists gave us the USSR North Korea Red China and Cambodia. 120 million people slaughtered
 
Old Covenant: Abstain from evil (reactive).
New Covenant: Do what is good (proactive).
 
God spoke to Moses, and said to him, “I am Yahweh ... and I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God Almighty; but by my name Yahweh ... I will write it in their heart. ... ”
Where is this "almighty lord god" you're talking about? Have you met him? Have you heard him speak? Has he written anything you've read?

Glas,..... Do You have something important to say?
I don't need to. I think you've said everything there is to say already. Be honest and own it. ⬇️
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"The easiest way to understand it is that every Eternal Covenant guaranteed by God is Eternal - as long as the people fulfill their part of the Covenant."
I Agree Ace, but, the Covenants, on the part of YAHWEH, do not disappear, and, on the part of Mankind that commits itself to accepting/honoring the Almighty Lord God, they will be in Effect. And there are consequences for those who break The Covenants:

Exo 6:2 God spoke to Moses, and said to him, “I am Yahweh;
Exo 6:3 and I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God Almighty; but by my name Yahweh I was not known to them.
Exo 6:4 I have also established my covenant with them, to give them the land of Canaan, the land of their travels, in which they lived as aliens.
Exo 6:5 Moreover I have heard the groaning of the children of Israel, whom the Egyptians keep in bondage, and I have remembered my covenant.
Exo 6:6 Therefore tell the children of Israel, ‘I am Yahweh, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will rid you out of their bondage, and I will redeem you with an outstretched arm, and with great judgments:
Exo 6:7 and I will take you to me for a people, and I will be to you a God; and you shall know that I am Yahweh your God, who brings you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians.
Lev 26:39 Those of you who are left will pine away in their iniquity in your enemies’ lands; and also in the iniquities of their fathers they shall pine away with them.
Lev 26:40 “‘If they confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, in their trespass which they trespassed against me, and also that, because they walked contrary to me,
Lev 26:41 I also walked contrary to them, and brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised heart is humbled, and they then accept the punishment of their iniquity;
Lev 26:42 then I will remember my covenant with Jacob; and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham; and I will remember the land.
Lev 26:43 The land also will be left by them, and will enjoy its Sabbaths while it lies desolate without them: and they will accept the punishment of their iniquity; because, even because they rejected my ordinances, and their soul abhorred my statutes.
Lev 26:44 Yet for all that, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not reject them, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them; for I am Yahweh their God;
Lev 26:45 but I will for their sake remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the nations, that I might be their God. I am Yahweh.’”
Lev 26:46 These are the statutes, ordinances and laws, which Yahweh made between him and the children of Israel in Mount Sinai by Moses.
Isa 54:9 “For this is like the waters of Noah to me; for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah will no more go over the earth, so I have sworn that I will not be angry with you, nor rebuke you.
Isa 54:10 For the mountains may depart, and the hills be removed; but my loving kindness will not depart from you, and my covenant of peace will not be removed,” says Yahweh who has mercy on you.
Isa 54:11 “You afflicted, tossed with storms, and not comforted, behold, I will set your stones in beautiful colors, and lay your foundations with sapphires.
Isa 54:12 I will make your pinnacles of rubies, your gates of sparkling jewels, and all your walls of precious stones.
Isa 54:13 All your children will be taught by Yahweh; and your children’s peace will be great.
Isa 56:1 Yahweh says, “Maintain justice, and do what is right; for my salvation is near, and my righteousness will soon be revealed.
Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who holds it fast; who keeps the Sabbath without profaning it, and keeps his hand from doing any evil.”
Isa 56:3 Let no foreigner, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying, “Yahweh will surely separate me from his people.” Do not let the eunuch say, “Behold, I am a dry tree.”
Isa 56:4 For Yahweh says, “To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and hold fast to my covenant:
Isa 56:5 I will give them in my house and within my walls a memorial and a name better than of sons and of daughters. I will give them an everlasting name, that will not be cut off.
Isa 56:6 Also the foreigners who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve him, and to love Yahweh’s name, to be his servants, everyone who keeps the Sabbath from profaning it, and holds fast my covenant;
Isa 56:7 I will bring these to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be accepted on my altar; for my house will be called a house of prayer for all peoples.”
The Messiah, at no time, ever taught that The Ten Commandments Covenant was done away with.:

Mat 5:17 “Don’t think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn’t come to destroy, but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18 For most certainly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished.
Mat 5:19 Whoever, therefore, shall break one of these least commandments, and teach others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whoever shall do and teach them shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, there is no way you will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.
Mat 19:16 Behold, one came to him and said, “Good teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?”
Mat 19:17 He said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good but one, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
Mat 19:18 He said to him, “Which ones?” Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder.’ ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ ‘You shall not steal.’ ‘You shall not offer false testimony.’
Mat 19:19 ‘Honor your father and your mother.’ And, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’”
Mat 19:20 The young man said to him, “All these things I have observed from my youth. What do I still lack?”
Mat 19:21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”

The only thing different about the "New/Re-newed Covenant", will be it's location:

The New Covenant (WEB Bible)


Jer 31:31 “Behold, the days come,” says Yahweh, “that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which covenant of mine they broke, although I was a husband to them,” says Yahweh.
Jer 31:33 “But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” says Yahweh: I will put my law in their inward parts, and I will write it in their heart. I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 They will no longer each teach his neighbor, and every man teach his brother, saying, ‘Know Yahweh;’ for they will all know me, from their least to their greatest,” says Yahweh: “for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”


I don't see where we disagree.

"Love God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength"

"Love your Neighbor as Yourself".


These two teachings - according to what is written in the Gospels - summarize the teachings of the Prophets and The Law.



It's like this - in my opinion - if you treat each other the way you wish to be treated and if you Love God with all your:

Heart - Passion
Mind - Thought, intelligence, wisdom
Soul - Your being
Strength - Give it everything you have



Then it will all come naturally to you.


What some folks do not understand is that Jesus Christ - IS the same God of The Old Testament - ONE HOLY SPIRIT.

FATHER - SON - HOLY SPIRIT



As for the Gnostics or whoever else may have been misled, feel free to pm me :)

AMEN
 
I don't see where we disagree.

"Love God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength"

"Love your Neighbor as Yourself".


These two teachings - according to what is written in the Gospels - summarize the teachings of the Prophets and The Law.



It's like this - in my opinion - if you treat each other the way you wish to be treated and if you Love God with all your:

Heart - Passion
Mind - Thought, intelligence, wisdom
Soul - Your being
Strength - Give it everything you have



Then it will all come naturally to you.


What some folks do not understand is that Jesus Christ - IS the same God of The Old Testament - ONE HOLY SPIRIT.

FATHER - SON - HOLY SPIRIT



As for the Gnostics or whoever else may have been misled, feel free to pm me :)

AMEN
I Fully Agree, but, I "Believe" for many reasons that the "Holy Spirit" is The Spirit of The Messiah, & not a "Third God", as taught /rooted in Catholicism.
 
I Fully Agree, but, I "Believe" for many reasons that the "Holy Spirit" is The Spirit of The Messiah, & not a "Third God", as taught /rooted in Catholicism.

The Holy Spirit is not a "3rd God" it is part of the Holy Trinity which is one God - manifesting itself as 3 Persons - Father - Son and Holy Spirit.
 
The Holy Spirit is not a "3rd God" it is part of the Holy Trinity which is one God - manifesting itself as 3 Persons - Father - Son and Holy Spirit.
Both Judaism and Islam believe in ONE GOD, where Jesus and Muhammad were prophets. Christianity believes Jesus is God, therefore it is a Cult .... a blasphemy. :mad:
 
The Holy Spirit is not a "3rd God" it is part of the Holy Trinity which is one God - manifesting itself as 3 Persons - Father - Son and Holy Spirit.
I was taught that as a Catholic, & via several of the Protestant/Baptist/ Pentecostal, & Non-Denominational Churches that I visited, or was a Member of.

The "Trinity" is Taught as God the Father, God the Son, & God the Holy Spirit.

And yet,.... (And this is only one reason, as to why I no ;onger believe in The "Trinity"), but,...The Holy Spirit is not "Greeted" in the New Testament Letters as "God the Father", & "God the Son" are.
 
I was taught that as a Catholic, & via several of the Protestant/Baptist/ Pentecostal, & Non-Denominational Churches that I visited, or was a Member of.

The "Trinity" is Taught as God the Father, God the Son, & God the Holy Spirit.

And yet,.... (And this is only one reason, as to why I no ;onger believe in The "Trinity"), but,...The Holy Spirit is not "Greeted" in the New Testament Letters as "God the Father", & "God the Son" are.
Bullseye! And this shortly after its appearance.
 
I was taught that as a Catholic, & via several of the Protestant/Baptist/ Pentecostal, & Non-Denominational Churches that I visited, or was a Member of.

The "Trinity" is Taught as God the Father, God the Son, & God the Holy Spirit.

And yet,.... (And this is only one reason, as to why I no ;onger believe in The "Trinity"), but,...The Holy Spirit is not "Greeted" in the New Testament Letters as "God the Father", & "God the Son" are.

Why wouldn't you believe that The Holy Spirit can be both a Spiritual force and manifest itself as a separate "Person" within people, among people and as a Spiritual "Advocate"?

The Holy Spirit is mentioned quite often in the New Testament:

Acts 1:

The Promise of the Spirit.

After his passion Jesus had presented himself alive to them by many proofs. He appeared to them during forty days and spoke to them about the kingdom of God. 4. When they were gathered together, he ordered them not to leave Jerusalem, saying, “Wait there for the promise of the Father about which you have heard me speak. 5. For John baptized with water, but within a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.

6As they were all gathered together, they asked him, “Lord, is this the time when you are going to restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7. He replied, “It is not for you to know the dates or the times that the Father has designated by his own authority. 8. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you, and then you will be my witnesses not only in Jerusalem, but throughout Judea and Samaria, and indeed to the farthest ends of the earth.”


Luke 3:

16. John answered, telling them all: “I baptize you with water, but there is one coming who is more powerful than I am. I am not worthy to loosen the straps of his sandals. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. 17. His winnowing fan is in his hand to clear his threshing floor and to gather the wheat into his barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.”

John 14:

“I have told you these things
while I am still with you.
26.However, the Advocate, the Holy Spirit,
whom the Father will send in my name,
will teach you everything
and remind you of all
that I have said to you.

Paul's letter to the Romans:

22 As we know, the entire creation has been groaning in labor pains until now— 23. and not only creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait for our adoption as children, the redemption of our bodies. 24. For in hope we were saved. Now to see something does not involve hope. For why should we hope for what we have already seen? 25. But if we hope for what we do not yet see, then we wait for it with patience.

26. In the same way, even the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with sighs that cannot be put into words. 27. And the one who searches hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God’s will.

Here - Paul specifically states that the "Spirit himself intercedes" which shows that Paul believed the Holy Spirit was also a distinct person - (but still closely related to Christ - "first fruit" ) and does so in accordance to "God's will".


There are dozens of more passages that show the distinct - yet divine nature - of the Holy Spirit - hence "The Spiritual Force within the Holy Trinity which can also manifest itself as a distinct person within people, among people and as a Spiritual Advocate"




That's how I understand it.
 
Here - Paul specifically states that the "Spirit himself intercedes" which shows that Paul believed the Holy Spirit was also a distinct person - (but still closely related to Christ - "first fruit" ) and does so in accordance to "God's will".


That's how I understand it.
"Spirit" in the Greek is a neuter noun. The translators falsely assigned the male gender to "it". They, being Trinitarians, just couldn't help themselves.
 
"Spirit" in the Greek is a neuter noun. The translators falsely assigned the male gender to "it". They, being Trinitarians, just couldn't help themselves.

So if it was written, "The Spirit itself intercedes" - does that not show a "distinct yet divine separate "person and force"?

That said - I'm not one to argue over semantics. There's enough written throughout the Bible showing that the Holy Spirit can manifest itself as both a distinct "person" and a Spiritual force of God, in my opinion.
 
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The Jews are the most successful culture in human history. Maybe they are on to something. The atheists gave us the USSR North Korea Red China and Cambodia. 120 million people slaughtered

what else to refer your comment too than a lie -

atheist no more are responsible for stalin than jews are responsible for netanyahu.

communism is no different than judaism as an ism, their written text are meaningless in regards to their interpretations and implementation.
 
what else to refer your comment too than a lie -

atheist no more are responsible for stalin than jews are responsible for netanyahu.

communism is no different than judaism as an ism, their written text are meaningless in regards to their interpretations and implementation.
The atheist nations USSR Red China and Cambodia slaughtered over 100 million people. Atheists and communists go well together and seem to love left wing ideology
 
Tweaking an established religion:

1). Who initiated the One God? Jews.

2). Who initiated the Covenant? Jews.

People who hijack an original concept and revise the basis of it are cult figures. The fundamental Jewish definition of the Messiah proves that Jesus couldn't possibly be "the one". To say that he was is blasphemous.
You're an atheist, right? I wouldn't go to an atheist concerning religious matters anymore than I would go to my mechanic for medical advice.
 
There is no Jewish version of the Messiah or the Covenant. Those concepts ARE JEWISH. All others are false.
Maybe they didn't understand it.

Isaiah 53:1-12

Who would believe what we have heard? To whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed? He grew up like a sapling before him, like a shoot from the parched earth; He had no majestic bearing to catch our eye, no beauty to draw us to him. He was spurned and avoided by men, a man of suffering, knowing pain, Like one from whom you turn your face, spurned, and we held him in no esteem. Yet it was our pain that he bore, our sufferings he endured. We thought of him as stricken, struck down by God and afflicted, But he was pierced for our sins, crushed for our iniquity. He bore the punishment that makes us whole, by his wounds we were healed. We had all gone astray like sheep, all following our own way; But the LORD laid upon him the guilt of us all. Though harshly treated, he submitted and did not open his mouth; Like a lamb led to slaughter or a sheep silent before shearers, he did not open his mouth. Seized and condemned, he was taken away. Who would have thought any more of his destiny? For he was cut off from the land of the living, struck for the sins of his people. He was given a grave among the wicked, a burial place with evildoers, Though he had done no wrong, nor was deceit found in his mouth. But it was the LORD’s will to crush him with pain. By making his life as a reparation offering, he shall see his offspring, shall lengthen his days, and the LORD’s will shall be accomplished through him. Because of his anguish he shall see the light; because of his knowledge he shall be content; My servant, the just one, shall justify the many, their iniquity he shall bear. Therefore I will give him his portion among the many, and he shall divide the spoils with the mighty, Because he surrendered himself to death, was counted among the transgressors, Bore the sins of many, and interceded for the transgressors.
 

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