Let's work backward here OldUSAFSniper:
I've already pointed out that the so - called "legal" process as you demand to call it does not exist in many fact situations. You show me the relevant visa that applies to Guest Workers and we can end this debate right here and right now. Unless there is a proper procedure, there can, in no way, shape, fashion or form be an illegal alien based upon your own definition.
Insofar as conservatives and liberals go, you can leave me off your lists. Liberals have become the mouthpieces of the communist party while the social conservatives have become the top salesmen for the POLICE STATE as envisioned by the globalists. Personally, I'm not on either side, but watch those who accuse others of being liars ignore this paragraph.
As you said, a lot of people are rounded up and sent home. Had you READ THIS THREAD before giving your .02 cents worth, you'd get a sense about what deportation is all about. Deportation is the civil consequence for improper entry, which is not a crime, but a minor civil infraction. In most cases the civil infraction would not even be a issue if the United States created a Guest Worker program with no automatic path to citizenship.
Next, we come back to that pretext of sovereignty. Here's a cut and paste from the last time we addressed that question:
"Sovereignty is the quality of having supreme, independent authority over a geographic area, such as a territory."
Sovereignty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So I don't get to say who visits my house? Private employers don't have the right to hire who they want - be sovereign over their business?
Who do you wish to be sovereign in this context? The people or the government?
Sovereignty is about the country's authority over a geographic region NOT over the unalienable Rights of individuals. It's a world of difference and your misapplication is evidence that you care more about the POWER OF GOVERNMENT rather than the Liberties of the people. If our founding fathers summed up America in one word, it would be Liberty... the very thing you find so loathsome.
Okay, let's get one thing straight. As for the intracacies of immigration law: I don't really care. As long as someone comes here illegally and is subsequently sent packing, then they (the government) is doing what I want them to do. Although I would prefer they meet them at the border and keep them from entering in the first place.
It all boils down to the issue of whether or not a nation has the RIGHT to say who can enter into their geographical borders. The one enumerated duty of the federal government in the constitution is to protect its citizens. One way of doing that is by controlling its borders. A nation, THIS NATION, has the right and the DUTY to say who can come here and who cannot. Whether that is Hispanics, Romanians, Russians, or three-toed sloths it doesn't make any difference. When the nation passes a law to say that you have to abide by these certain steps and you don't, then illegal alien meet the agent from ICE. Jail them, take their DNA, fingerprints and picture and then send them back. If they try to come back, let them pick up trash along side the roadway for 60 days and then send them back.
Anyone who has read my posts on this forum KNOWS that I have no love for the federal government. It is bloated, expensive, wasteful, incompetent, and encroaches dangerously into personal freedoms. But in this arena, it should be aggressive and it should be effective. Barry and his boys are no better than the last President.
In this country, at least for now, the people ARE the government... well, they're supposed to be.
The more you write, the deeper you dig that hole.
The American people are the people that have the final say. Whether you like it or not - and make no mistake, I'm not all that amused by some of the decisions the American people make, they have spoken about the immigration situation. The American people hire, rent to, sell to and buy from the Hispanics regardless of the laws that the American people have deemed to be unconstitutional.
The difference between you and I is that I understand the difference between an unalienable Right versus the geographic territory the government has power over.
The reality is, the anti - immigrant lobby has gotten TRILLIONS of dollars allocated to destroy your Liberties under the guise of fighting so - called "illegal" immigration. You're only pissed at me because you can't stop it and I'd rather have a Guest Worker living next door and keep my Liberties than to live in a absolute POLICE STATE where everybody has the Mark of the Beast and begs government's permisssion to allow them to make their every movement.
How do your Skinhead and KKK buddies feel about your stance on open borders for all?