Is it Possible for Israel and Palestine to Peacefully Coexist?

[ESay]

Another sovereign state can't just decide where Canada ends and the US begins. China can't just up and say that Idaho is Canadian soil.

That is just not true. The US and Canada can recognize Taiwan as a sovereign state, and thus telling where China ends and Taiwan begins. The US and Canada can recognize (already did) Kosovo as a sovereign state, and thus where Serbia ends and Kosovo begins. 146 countries around the world can recognize Palestine (already did) as a sovereign state, and thus where Israel ends and the State of Palestine begins.

 

[Shusha]

Why not? If there is no treaty or agreement between the countries. Do your country recognize Kosovo?

Why not? Why not allow other countries to change the borders of your state? You're kidding, right? It would render sovereignty, nationalities, and states meaningless.

Kosovo has borders. It inherited them the same way Israel did.

That were never implemented.

Of course they were implemented. That is why Israel is in control of Area C, why there is security co-operation in Area B, and why Area A is governed by the PA.

 

[ESay]

Why not? Why not allow other countries to change the borders of your state? You're kidding, right? It would render sovereignty, nationalities, and states meaningless.

Kosovo has borders. It inherited them the same way Israel did

The State of Palestine also has borders. As recognized by the UNSC resolutions.

Of course they were implemented. That is why Israel is in control of Area C, why there is security co-operation in Area B, and why Area A is governed by the PA

As I know, the Accords were signed but never formally ratified.

 

[Shusha]

That is just not true. The US and Canada can recognize Taiwan as a sovereign state, and thus telling where China ends and Taiwan begins. The US and Canada can recognize (already did) Kosovo as a sovereign state, and thus where Serbia ends and Kosovo begins. 146 countries around the world can recognize Palestine (already did) as a sovereign state, and thus where Israel ends and the State of Palestine begins.

The US and Canada didn't DECIDE where the borders of Taiwan are. The US and Canada didn't DECIDE where the borders of Kosovo are.

 

[Shusha]

The State of Palestine also has borders. As recognized by the UNSC resolutions.

Great, it should be easy to point me to the document which outlines these borders.

 

[gipper]

Another sovereign state can't just decide where Canada ends and the US begins. China can't just up and say that Idaho is Canadian soil.

 

[ESay]

Kosovo has borders. It inherited them the same way Israel did

It doesn't matter what it inherited. These borders (between sovereign nations) weren't established by an agreement between the two parties. Be consistent in your claims, at least.

 

[ESay]

The US and Canada didn't DECIDE where the borders of Taiwan are. The US and Canada didn't DECIDE where the borders of Kosovo are.

So what? They just recognized the borders what the concerned party declared. Agreement. Where is Agreement between the two parties?

 

[Shusha]

It doesn't matter what it inherited. These borders (between sovereign nations) weren't established by an agreement between the two parties. Be consistent in your claims, at least.

It does. I am absolutely consistent. Uti possidetis juris or negotiated agreement. Either way, the UN or other states don't get to determine the borders of states.

 

[ESay]

Great, it should be easy to point me to the document which outlines these borders.

The 1949 Armistice agreement.

 

[ESay]

It does. I am absolutely consistent. Uti possidetis juris or negotiated agreement. Either way, the UN or other states don't get to determine the borders of states.

Did we already establish what was the Mandatory Palestine?

 

[Shusha]

The 1949 Armistice agreement.

The agreement between Israel and Jordan? The one that specifically says (paraphrased), “these are not borders”? The agreement that was superseded by the Treaty of Peace between the State of Israel and the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan? That agreement?

Yeah, nothing in that agreement establishes a border between Israel and some-as-yet unnamed and unrealized other state.

Try again.

 

[Shusha]

Did we already establish what was the Mandatory Palestine?

I believe we did. It’s a matter of fact, not opinion.

 

[Lisa558]

The U.S. will be taking over the Gaza Strip.

 

[ESay]

The agreement between Israel and Jordan? The one that specifically says (paraphrased), “these are not borders”? The agreement that was superseded by the Treaty of Peace between the State of Israel and the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan? That agreement?

Yeah, nothing in that agreement establishes a border between Israel and some-as-yet unnamed and unrealized other state.

Try again.

Why should I? This agreement established a line that divided Palestine into Israeli- and Arab-controlled territory. It was not supposed to be a permanent border, but it was a de facto border between those territories. When Jordan recognized independence of the Palestinian state, this state declared it to be the borders of the new state. These borders were declared when applying to the UN, and with these borders the Palestinian state is recognized by UN-member states.

 

[ESay]

I believe we did. It’s a matter of fact, not opinion.

I think we didn't. Jordan was excluded from the Mandatory Palestine when this Mandate was still in place. Since, the Jewish and Arab states were supposed to be carved out from the Mandatory Palestine, Jordan can't be considered as a part of the two-state solutions. Now, we did.

 

[JoeB131]

The US and Canada didn't DECIDE where the borders of Taiwan are. The US and Canada didn't DECIDE where the borders of Kosovo are.

Actually...

The US and Canada recognize Taiwan as a part of China. Both follow a one-China policy.

Kosovo's borders were established by the former government of Yugoslavia with the Government of Serbia recognizing it as an autonomous region until it broke away in 2008.

Russia and China still don't recognize Kosovo's independence.

None of this has to do much with the fact that Israel is illegally occupying Gaza and the West Bank.

 

[Kruska]

It was all of what is now labelled Israel "proper", Gaza, West Bank, and Jordan, with the option, which was indeed exercised, to detach Jordan into a separate territory. But Israel and Jordan was the original "two-state solution".

Finally you managed to come back to your well known propagated Zionist agenda - that aside from Trump, and Zionists no other country on the planet shares.

And NO - the Jewish homeland that was granted by the Balfour Deceleration - became a matter regarding only the remaining part of British Mandated Palestine - latest upon Britain having separated Transjordan in 1921 from the overall British mandated Palestine.
And nowhere does the Balfour Declaration of 1917 state - all of British Palestine is to be a Jewish homeland. But simply and only:
“a Jewish national home in Palestine.”

https://lsa.umich.edu/content/dam/cmenas-assets/cmenas-documents/unit-of-israel-palestine/Section1_BritishMandateInPalestine.pdf

In 1921, the British divided this region in two: east of the Jordan River became the Emirate of Transjordan, to be ruled by Faysal’s brother ‘Abdullah, and west of the Jordan River became the Palestine Mandate. This was the first time in modern history that Palestine became a unified political entity.

Therefore the Slogan of the Palestinians (not from the Jordanians) from the river to the sea. - the Palestinians themselves claiming ALL of the remaining 1921 British Mandated Palestine.

Since no formal agreement had been reached from 1921 onward, Ben Gurion simply declared ALL of then British Mandated Palestine to belong to Jews, thus enacting the forced displacement of Palestinians&Arabs - that was immediately countered by the Arab League and Egypt. Occupying and thus preventing the new proclaimed state of Israel from annexing what today is called Gaza and the West-Bank.

Jordan conceded the West-bank solely to the PLO in 1988.
And Israel immediately started to haggle in view of it's illegal erected settlements in e.g. the West-bank. Coming up with zone A,B and C.
And thus All negotiations held between Israel and the PLO ended/had failed in 2000.

Off course you know all this - but your hideous Zionist agenda simply blocks it out, and in addition continues to distort history.

Luckily you can now discuss with Trump your Zionist claims, since as of today 04.Feb. 2025 he declared Gaza to be "ours". aka US territory.
And he is going to build fancy sea-view condos were the "world" can live - including some $$ loaded Palestinians and Israelis.

In the next couple of weeks he will also decide onto the fate - ah sorry - the "deal" regarding the West-Bank

You see according to Trump and his ilk - problem solved via simply making a great "deal"
Now I am just waiting to see, how "Bibi" is going to sell this "treason" to his Zionist right-wing buddies.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Why should I? This agreement established a line that divided Palestine into Israeli- and Arab-controlled territory. It was not supposed to be a permanent border, but it was a de facto border between those territories. When Jordan recognized independence of the Palestinian state, this state declared it to be the borders of the new state. These borders were declared when applying to the UN, and with these borders the Palestinian state is recognized by UN-member states.

This agreement established a line that divided Palestine into Israeli- and Arab-controlled territory. It was not supposed to be a permanent border, but it was a de facto border between those territories.

Jordan didn't recognize a country of Palestine after they took that territory.

 

[Kruska]

The US and Canada didn't DECIDE where the borders of Taiwan are. The US and Canada didn't DECIDE where the borders of Kosovo are.

Off course they would - since Taiwan does not have any international recognized NATIONAL borders. But claims territories the KMT managed to flee to and kept occupying.
Which in turn the PRC only recognizes as provincial borders of a province belonging to China. And provincial borders can be changed anytime.

Furthermore the US and Canada could define Taiwan to be solely the Island of Formosa whilst all other territories - islands - could be accredited to the PRC. - thus changing/enacting new NATIONAL borders.

And Gaza as well as the West-bank territories had been INTERNATIONALLY defined via the GREEN LINE.