Is it Possible for Israel and Palestine to Peacefully Coexist?

[Toddsterpatriot]

That's where we are at, Arabs are untermench to the Zionists and don't deserve to live, how low these creatures have sunk into depravity.

How many dead in Gaza?

 

[Deadstick]

How many dead in Gaza?

Far too many, whats your point?

 

[Lisa558]

How many dead in Gaza?

He doesn’t know.

Interesting how the antisemite doesn’t make mention of the depravity of Muslim terrorists who break into a kibbutz and burn children alive, decapitate babies while their mothers are forced to watch, stick guns up vaginas of young girls and pull the trigger, and cut off breast and throw them around like toys while the victim dies in agony.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Far too many, whats your point?

How many?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

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After the end of World War I, Palestinian Muslim and Christian associations met in Jerusalem at the beginning of 1919. This ‘First Arab Palestinian Congress’ demanded independence for Palestine in a ‘national charter’, and rejected the Balfour Declaration as well as British rule over Palestine.

A majority sought the incorporation of Palestine into an independent Syrian state. As a consequence, the delegates also denounced French claims to a mandate over Syria. The congress referred to the former American president Woodrow Wilson’s principles of the right of self-determination of subject peoples.

The following year, delegates from Palestine attended a Syrian congress in Damascus in March, where independence was proclaimed and Emir Faysal, son of Husayn ibn Ali, the Sharif of Mecca, was elected king of a united Syrian-Palestine nation. However, a month later at the Peace Conference of San Remo in Italy, the Allies divided the former territories of the defeated Ottoman Empire. Syria and Lebanon were mandated to France, Palestine to Great Britain. By July, the French had forced Faysal to give up his claims to the throne of a united Syria and Palestine.

The Arab Palestinian Congress met again in Haifa in December 1920. This time the delegates elected an executive committee, the Arab Executive, led by Musa Kazim al-Husayni, a member of a leading Jerusalem family (see also Escalation and revolt in Occupied Palestinian Territories).
...}
Historic Palestine: The Arab Executive (1920 -1934)

It is well known public knowledge that the Palestinians were owed independence from the Ottoman Empire, in return for helping Lawrence of Arabia.
So you know full well there not only was no Israel at all when Palestine was formally created, but that there were hardly any Jews living anywhere in Palestine at that time.
That is because REAL Jews were observing the Rabbinical Diaspora Decree of 160 AD, and were dutifully atoning for the sins of arrogance and pride, waiting for the coming of the Messiah.

You also must know full well that the Ottoman Empire and the British kept the Palestinians unarmed, while the illegal immigrant, European Zionists, were given the latest US weapons by Truman, including tanks and bombers.
The British were supposed to defend the Palestinians, but they were unaware that Menachim Begin had planted bombs in the kitchen of the King David Hotel and they were all murdered.
In fact, Menachim Begin also personally gunned down Folke Bernadotte, the UN moderator.
That was all so his gangs like Stern, Irgun, and Lehi, could start massacring hundred of native villages like Deir Yassin.

Aside from not answering any of my questions, so what?
The Arabs could have had part, instead they fucked it up.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Nah, Russia acted defensively since the Ukraine had violated treaties and was trying to put NATO nukes Russia's border.

The difference with Gaza is that Israel had illegally blockaded the Palestinians and was starving them to death.
So Hamas was totally defensive in their capture of hostages to trade for Palestinian hostages Israel had illegally held for over a decade.

Nah, Russia acted defensively since the Ukraine had violated treaties

Russia has also violated treaties.

and was trying to put NATO nukes Russia's border.

NATO doesn't need to put nukes on Russia's border.

The difference with Gaza is that Israel had illegally blockaded the Palestinians

Why was it illegal?

and was starving them to death.

When?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Of course.
Israel cut off all international trade with Palestine, and was deliberately trying to starve them to death.

From the NY Times:
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Gaza Has Suffered Under 16-Year Blockade​

Held in place by Israel and Egypt, the blockade restricts imports to the region and prevents most people from leaving.

• Oct. 7, 2023

For some Gazans, Saturday morning’s surprise Palestinian attack into southern Israel seemed a justified response to a 16-year Israeli blockade. Others worried that the coordinated attack would only add to Gaza’s misery as the tiny enclave braced for a large-scale response from Israel.
The Palestinian territory of Gaza has been under a suffocating Israeli blockade, backed by Egypt, since Hamas seized control of the coastal strip in 2007. The blockade restricts the import of goods, including electronic and computer equipment, that could be used to make weapons and prevents most people from leaving the territory.
More than two million Palestinians live in Gaza. The tiny, crowded coastal enclave has a nearly 50 percent unemployment rate, and Gaza’s living conditions, health system and infrastructure have all deteriorated under the blockade.
Israel says the blockade is necessary to stop the flow of arms into the territory, but Palestinians and aid groups say it is collective punishment and exacerbates dire economic and social conditions.

Diplomats say that Hamas had repeatedly indicated in recent months that it did not want a major military escalation in Gaza, in part to avoid worsening the humanitarian situation so soon after the devastation of a war in 2021.

The Gazan authorities are still repairing buildings damaged or destroyed by Israeli airstrikes during previous rounds of fighting, including five days of war in May between Israel’s military and Islamic Jihad, the second-largest armed group in Gaza. And some Gazans are worried about losing access to Israeli work permits, a major lifeline for the enclave’s limping economy.

Gaza’s hospitals regularly suffer from equipment and medicine shortages because of the blockade, and Palestinians in Gaza must apply for permits to leave the enclave to seek treatment either in the West Bank or inside Israel.

In the past, Gaza’s sole power plant has at times been forced to shut down for lack of fuel when Israel has closed the border crossings for goods.

Civilians, especially children, in Gaza have paid a high price. In 2021, at least 67 children were killed in Gaza during 11 days of fighting between Israel and Hamas. In May, at least 12 civilians were killed by Israeli strikes during the fighting in May this year.
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There are NO innocent civilians in Israel.
They not only all serve in the military, but they all illegally occupy homes they know they never paid for and were stolen from Palestinian natives.
Every single Israel is a criminal who is illegal and knowingly in possession of stolen goods.


I know because being Jewish, Israel many times has offered me free homes.

Held in place by Israel and Egypt, the blockade restricts imports to the region and prevents most people from leaving.

Why would Egypt blockade their fellow Muslims?
What does Egypt know that you don't?

Every single Israel is a criminal who is illegal and knowingly in possession of stolen goods.

Show me on this doll where the Israelis touched you.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Wrong.
The Jewish Israelis are 6 million illegal immigrants, while there are 13 million natives, of whom 12 million are not allowed to vote at all.

Name all the Arab countries where the Arabs are allowed to vote.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Israel has one of the most advanced and powerful militaries. What does Gaza have?

Just a bunch of terrorists firing war crime rockets at Israeli civilians for decades.

 

[ESay]

Why would Egypt blockade their fellow Muslims?
What does Egypt know that you don't

A cynical policy, indeed. Why does Egypt do that? They know once the Gazan Arabs are on their, Egyptian, territory they won't ever be returned to Gaza and Egypt will have to deal with them.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

A cynical policy, indeed. Why does Egypt do that? They know once the Gazan Arabs are on their, Egyptian, territory they won't ever be returned to Gaza and Egypt will have to deal with them.

Wherever they are, the "Palestinians" cause trouble.

 

[martybegan]

Is it Possible for Israel and Palestine to Peacefully Coexist?​

I doubt it.

1. Hamas and the PA have to surrender unconditionally to Israel.


after that, maybe a two state solution can happen.

 

[White 6]

1. Hamas and the PA have to surrender unconditionally to Israel.


after that, maybe a two state solution can happen.

I don't see it happening.

 

[martybegan]

I don't see it happening.

Then no peace with them.

 

[Shusha]

Dumb as always. There is no state of Gaza. It was an occupied oppressed area controlled by the Zionist apartheid state of Israel.

Israel has one of the most advanced and powerful militaries. What does Gaza have?

Gazans have been oppressed for decades. On 10/7 a few Gazan men attacked their oppressors. For this you Nazi Zionists want to mass murder defenseless women and children and destroy all of Gaza.

You realize that was a quote from the link Coyote posted, yes? Try to keep up.

You might want to also think about this: If there is no state of Gaza in the territory, and if Israel has no legal claim to the territory, and if Egypt renounced claim to it - whose territory is it?

Also, again you can try to put words in my mouth, but you are fooling no one.

 

[José]

How can anyone ever get a solid understanding of our solar system using the geocentric model??

Even if Ptolemy and all the ancient and medieval astronomers had lived for 2000 years they would still fail at explaining the workings of our tiny corner of the galaxy BECAUSE THEY WOULD STILL BE STARTING FROM THE WRONG ASSUMPTIONS.

When your starting point is a set of wrong postulates most of your conclusions are bound to be wrong as well.

All my zionist wives and little babies of the US Message Board commit the same error as Ptolemy.

They use the wrong model to analyze this conflict.

They view the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as two countries (or 1 country and a would-be state) disputing territory when in reality it is a textbook example of an ethnocratic conflict between settlers and natives.

And just like the greek astronomer 95% of their statements and conclusions will be wrong, trash, absolute garbage due to their false premise.

 

[Shusha]

How can anyone ever get a solid understanding of our solar system using the geocentric model??

Even if Ptolemy and all the ancient and medieval astronomers had lived for 2000 years they would still fail at explaining the workings of our tiny corner of the galaxy BECAUSE THEY WOULD STILL BE STARTING FROM THE WRONG ASSUMPTIONS.

When your starting point is a set of wrong postulates most of your conclusions are bound to be wrong as well.

All my zionist wives and little babies of the US Message Board commit the same error as Ptolemy.

They use the wrong model to analyze this conflict.

They view the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as two countries (or 1 country and a would-be state) disputing territory when in reality it is a textbook example of an ethnocratic conflict between settlers and natives.

And just like the greek astronomer 95% of their statements and conclusions will be wrong, trash, absolute garbage due to their false premise.

Nearly everyone inverts the "settlers" and the "natives". This is a result of deliberate strategy of mis-information.

 

[ESay]

Wherever they are, the "Palestinians" cause trouble.

In other words, the Palestinian refugees can cause social and political disturbances in the host nations, yes.

But that wasn't the sole reason of Egypt closing their border with Gaza. The Palestinian state is an idea that intertwined with Arab minds and their view of the Middle East picture. They can't afford to give up on it. De-Arabization of Gaza (not entirely, but even in a way when the Arab population will be a clear minority there) will be a significant blow to these sentiments.

 

[White 6]

Then no peace with them.

Probably will not be a long-standing one. It seems like, every once in a while, some asshole country or group will go into or inflict damage unexpectedly on Israel and her people, then whine as Israel cleans house, killing the crap out of the assholes, destroying that group's ability to pose a salient threat to Israel's existence, but admittedly killing the crap out of supposed innocents, and destroying property of those too dumb, as to stay in the area, in the time between attacks. I feel no pity for those too stupid to learn from their mistakes.

 

[Shusha]

Maybe the obvious answer is the numbers. The war in Gaza, as assumed, has a too high death toll among the civilians (at least if compared with the Ukraine war). Besides, Ukraine wages a war mostly on its territory (exceptions being rocket and drone strikes on Russian territory proper, and a tiny patch of land in the Kursk region).

Are the Russian soldiers fighting the Ukrainians military-to-military, or are they in homes, hospitals, mosques, schools, and tunnels?