Is it Possible for Israel and Palestine to Peacefully Coexist?

Hamas terrorists are no different than any other terrorists.
I didn’t say that. But they are not normal people. Stop drawing a parallel between Islamic terrorists and Israelis, as if they are comparable.

Biden hasn’t played nice with Hamas. Have you looked at Gaza lately?
Biden didn’t do that. He’s warned Israel to let up, trying to put the onus on Israel.

The response to this war would have been very different if it didn’t involve Jews. The double standards are all over the place.
 
Okay. So, yes that has been widely reported in the news, and widely condemned, and includes an arrest warrant for the perpetrators.

Make your case for Ukraine ceasing all military activity and negotiating a ceasefire with Russia for the return of the hostages and why it is Ukraine's responsibility to its citizens.
Bingo. A beautiful example of the double standards.
 
The land was legally made sovereign as Palestine by the Treaty of San Remo and the Treaty of Sevres, in 1920.

Nice! Who were their leaders in 1920? What was their currency? Did they sign any treaties with neighboring nations?

You can plainly see the West Bank and Jerusalem is on the Arab side of Palestine,

Arab side? Who were the Arab leaders? What was their currency?

The capital of Israel was Tel Aviv until after the 1967 invasion of Jerusalem.

How far did the Israeli Army have to travel to "invade" Jerusalem? How many Palestinian Army tanks and troops were there to resist the Israeli advance?

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After the end of World War I, Palestinian Muslim and Christian associations met in Jerusalem at the beginning of 1919. This ‘First Arab Palestinian Congress’ demanded independence for Palestine in a ‘national charter’, and rejected the Balfour Declaration as well as British rule over Palestine.

A majority sought the incorporation of Palestine into an independent Syrian state. As a consequence, the delegates also denounced French claims to a mandate over Syria. The congress referred to the former American president Woodrow Wilson’s principles of the right of self-determination of subject peoples.

The following year, delegates from Palestine attended a Syrian congress in Damascus in March, where independence was proclaimed and Emir Faysal, son of Husayn ibn Ali, the Sharif of Mecca, was elected king of a united Syrian-Palestine nation. However, a month later at the Peace Conference of San Remo in Italy, the Allies divided the former territories of the defeated Ottoman Empire. Syria and Lebanon were mandated to France, Palestine to Great Britain. By July, the French had forced Faysal to give up his claims to the throne of a united Syria and Palestine.

The Arab Palestinian Congress met again in Haifa in December 1920. This time the delegates elected an executive committee, the Arab Executive, led by Musa Kazim al-Husayni, a member of a leading Jerusalem family (see also Escalation and revolt in Occupied Palestinian Territories).
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Historic Palestine: The Arab Executive (1920 -1934)

It is well known public knowledge that the Palestinians were owed independence from the Ottoman Empire, in return for helping Lawrence of Arabia.
So you know full well there not only was no Israel at all when Palestine was formally created, but that there were hardly any Jews living anywhere in Palestine at that time.
That is because REAL Jews were observing the Rabbinical Diaspora Decree of 160 AD, and were dutifully atoning for the sins of arrogance and pride, waiting for the coming of the Messiah.

You also must know full well that the Ottoman Empire and the British kept the Palestinians unarmed, while the illegal immigrant, European Zionists, were given the latest US weapons by Truman, including tanks and bombers.
The British were supposed to defend the Palestinians, but they were unaware that Menachim Begin had planted bombs in the kitchen of the King David Hotel and they were all murdered.
In fact, Menachim Begin also personally gunned down Folke Bernadotte, the UN moderator.
That was all so his gangs like Stern, Irgun, and Lehi, could start massacring hundred of native villages like Deir Yassin.
 
There has always been a larger contingent of Israeli's who support Arab Palestinian independence and a peaceful two-state solution.

Doesn't matter since they were never allowed to be peaceful.
Israel is a dictatorship bent on murder and theft.
The most evil, racist, and fascist dictatorship in the world.
 
And do you understand that he threatened to withhold aid, and did in fact delay shipment of military equipment, in order to weaken Israel’s ability to destroy the enemy?

DELAYED. Lisa. Delayed is not restricted and even then, it was only the delivery of one particular weapon that was delayed. Everything else, what Israel most needed was unimpeded. No other country has been given this degree of latitude.


No, he has not been a staunch supporter, nor was Harris. And certainly Obama wasn’t. Harris even snubbed Netanyahu to go to a sorority meeting.

Good for her snubbing Netanyahu after the way he insulted both Biden and Obama. That is not how a close ally is supposed to behave. Obama even gave Israel a massive aid package before he left office (largest ever I believe).
Yes, they were given permission to elevate the war just before aTrump takes office.

And Israel WAS restricted from going into Raffah as they wanted. Biden threatened to withhold aid, and it sent the message that Israel was in the wrong, to say nothing of the actual effect of tying Israel’s hands.
Israel’s hands were never tied. Biden continued the flow of weapons to Israel unabated. How did you miss that?
 
I didn’t say that. But they are not normal people. Stop drawing a parallel between Islamic terrorists and Israelis, as if they are comparable.


Biden didn’t do that. He’s warned Israel to let up, trying to put the onus on Israel.

The response to this war would have been very different if it didn’t involve Jews. The double standards are all over the place.

Wrong.

Hamas is not terrorist at all in any way, since they have been murdered, beaten, starved, and their homes stolen for over 70 years, and only now have tried to retaliate.
Only the Israelis are terrorists since they are the ones who are extorting the native owners into leaving.

Biden not only did nothing to stop Israel, but instead rewarded their murder and invasion with hundreds of billions in additional weapons and aid.
 
Okay. So, yes that has been widely reported in the news, and widely condemned, and includes an arrest warrant for the perpetrators.

Make your case for Ukraine ceasing all military activity and negotiating a ceasefire with Russia for the return of the hostages and why it is Ukraine's responsibility to its citizens.
Sure.

Ukraine has devastated Russia, accomplished all it can militarily and despite the release (through negotiation) of many, there are still hostages left. It’s time to end the military part of the campaign and negotiate for their release. Ukraine owes it to their people to get their children back now, that needs to be the most important goal.
 
Wrong.

Hamas is not terrorist at all in any way, since they have been murdered, beaten, starved, and their homes stolen for over 70 years, and only now have tried to retaliate.
Only the Israelis are terrorists since they are the ones who are extorting the native owners into leaving.

Biden not only did nothing to stop Israel, but instead rewarded their murder and invasion with hundreds of billions in additional weapons and aid.
Hamas is not terrorist in any way? You’re aware of what happened on Oct 7? You do realize they murder, beat and starve their own people too right?
 
That is the crux of our disagreement, then.
Yes, I think so. And I’ll put it this way.

There is a time and need for a military campaign but when that has gone as far as it can towards achieving their goals then the priorities need to be adjusted. At some point (in my opinion) the lives of the remaining hostages need to become more important than the goal of completely eradicating Hamas, which might not even be possible.
 

Nah, Russia acted defensively since the Ukraine had violated treaties and was trying to put NATO nukes Russia's border.

The difference with Gaza is that Israel had illegally blockaded the Palestinians and was starving them to death.
So Hamas was totally defensive in their capture of hostages to trade for Palestinian hostages Israel had illegally held for over a decade.
 
Russia took thousands of Ukranian children and dispersed them into the Russian interior.


There is no such thing as "Ukrainian children" since the Ukrainians are originally ethnic Russians.
The only children Russia liberated were the ones whose ethnic Russian parents had been murdered by the racist Azov Battalion in 2014.
 
Nah, Russia acted defensively since the Ukraine had violated treaties and was trying to put NATO nukes Russia's border.

The difference with Gaza is that Israel had illegally blockaded the Palestinians and was starving them to death.
So Hamas was totally defensive in their capture of hostages to trade for Palestinian hostages Israel had illegally held for over a decade.
I think there are a lot of inaccuracies in your claims, to put it mildly.

As an fyi: taking hostages, innocent civilians, is never “defensive”.
 
And do you understand that he threatened to withhold aid, and did in fact delay shipment of military equipment, in order to weaken Israel’s ability to destroy the enemy?

No, he has not been a staunch supporter, nor was Harris. And certainly Obama wasn’t. Harris even snubbed Netanyahu to go to a sorority meeting.

They were sending mixed messages all along.


Yes, they were given permission to elevate the war just before aTrump takes office.

And Israel WAS restricted from going into Raffah as they wanted. Biden threatened to withhold aid, and it sent the message that Israel was in the wrong, to say nothing of the actual effect of tying Israel’s hands.

False.
When Biden claimed to be withholding weapons to Israel, the reality is he had already sent them weeks earlier.
He never withheld anything from Israel.
 
…and was starving them to death.
Wait are you arguing that the people of Gaza have been “starving to death” prior to the current war? Source?

So Hamas was totally defensive in their capture of hostages …
Taking civilians hostages is never permissible, legal, or moral. This should not have to be said.
 
I think there are a lot of inaccuracies in your claims, to put it mildly.

As an fyi: taking hostages, innocent civilians, is never “defensive”.

Wrong.
Russia never took hostages at all.
That is a fake claim by a corrupt media.
What Russia did was to protect the ethnic Russian natives of the eastern half of the Ukraine, from the evil and racist Azov Battalion, which was notorious for murdering over 30k ethnic Russian, native Ukrainians in 2014.

Why would Russia want, take, have any advantage with "hostages"?
What Russia wants is for the Ukraine to stop committing treaty violations that amount to acts of war.
It was not Russia that started the violence, but Zelensky who did it deliberately, by cutting off negotiations with Moscow.
 
Wrong.
Russia never took hostages at all.
That is a fake claim by a corrupt media.
What Russia did was to protect the ethnic Russian natives of the eastern half of the Ukraine, from the evil and racist Azov Battalion, which was notorious for murdering over 30k ethnic Russian, native Ukrainians in 2014.

Why would Russia want, take, have any advantage with "hostages"?
What Russia wants is for the Ukraine to stop committing treaty violations that amount to acts of war.
It was not Russia that started the violence, but Zelensky who did it deliberately, by cutting off negotiations with Moscow.
I think we are heading too far off topic now as we’re no longer discussing it in relation to Israel/Gaza so I’ll leave it at that.
 
Coyote

Not going to agree with Rigby5, but noting that I suspect there is not quite the equivalence between the Ukrainian children and the Israeli hostages as you imply. I am SO not an expert on that other conflict. But I am investigating.
 
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