Is it Possible for Israel and Palestine to Peacefully Coexist?

[Coyote]

This would be a case of introducing me to new information. Can you name an example of a state (or other government) which crossed an international border into another state and abducted several hundreds of innocent civilians, including children, injured, and elderly. I'd be grateful for that information.

Russia.

 

[Shusha]

That is one of the two opposing arguments put forth in every hostage situation:

If you pay them off, they will be incentivized to continue to take hostages. Save future lives.

If you negotiate, you may get them home. Save current lives.

Sure. But Israel is ALSO dealing with the again, and again, and again, and a million times until all the Yehudi are gone.

 

[Lisa558]

Russia.

Yes, and the American Left recognizes Ukraine as the victim, and has not only sent them all sorts of military equipment and lots more money than it’s sent Israel, but Biden said it’s OK for Ukraine to drop missiles on Russia.

With Israel, the American Left has taken the opposite approach: tied Israel’s hands and threatened to withdraw support if they went into Raffah.

So why on one hand liberals are for supporting the victim (Ukraine) after an attack from a foreign country, but pressuring the Jews to pull back or else after she was attacked by a foreign country?!

 

[Coyote]

You’re still totally focused on what Israel’s choices are, putting the onus on THEM to save the hostages.

What if Mexican savages crossed our border, tortured to death 1200 Americans - including toddlers and babies - and then kidnapped 300 innocent American citizens? And then they refused to release them, and starved them, and certainly raped them, for 14 months? Would you blame America for their deaths, instead of the Mexican barbarians who took them in the first place?

You’re totally focused on what the victim of 10/7 should do instead of what the perpetrator of it should do: release the hostages.

You are completely missing the point. If I or a member of my family was kidnapped and held hostage I would be hoping my country was doing everything they could to get me released as soon as possible. I would not be twiddling my thumbs hoping my captors might have a change of heart. As a family member I would be pressuring my country representatives to negotiate for a release and if I felt they hadn’t done their best, yes, I might blame them as well as the kidnappers.

 

[Coyote]

Sure. But Israel is ALSO dealing with the again, and again, and again, and a million times until all the Yehudi are gone.

Israel is not the only country that has to deal with hostage taking again and again. It is always going to be do you sacrifice the lives of today in hopes of saving the lives of tomorrow.

 

[Lisa558]

You are completely missing the point. If I or a member of my family was kidnapped and held hostage I would be hoping my country was doing everything they could to get me released as soon as possible. I would not be twiddling my thumbs hoping my captors might have a change of heart. As a family member I would be pressuring my country representatives to negotiate for a release and if I felt they hadn’t done their best, yes, I might blame them as well as the kidnappers.

That’s how people feel on an individual basis, and understandably. But it has long been known that if you negotiate with savage monsters like Islamic terrorists for release of hostages they’ve stolen, you are encouraging the monsters to do it again.

 

[Shusha]

Ok, fair point. Most of the news I read was supporting Israel and condemning Hamas, but that might have been reflective of mainly the western world, so I looked it up. It still shows as most condemning Hamas with (predictable) ones blaming Israel.

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The UN still has not condemned Hamas for the atrocities of October 7.

 

[Lisa558]

Israel is not the only country that has to deal with hostage taking again and again. It is always going to be do you sacrifice the lives of today in hopes of saving the lives of tomorrow.

Up until Obama paid the Iranian terror supporters billions for hostages, the policy was not to negotiate. Remember…..HAMAS terrorists are not normal people. All you will do is encourage them to steal a girl and then demand the release of 100 HAMAS terrorists that Israel has in prison.

Trump has made it clear that the monsters will have hell to pay if they don’t release the hostages. Biden’s mistake was thinking if he played nice-nice with HAMAS terrorists that he wouldn’t lose the Muslim vote.

 

[Lisa558]

The UN still has not condemned Hamas for the atrocities of October 7.

The UN is an antisemitic, anti-Israel body. We need to kick them out of NY and drop our membership. But that’s another topic, I suppose.

 

[Shusha]

Russia.

Not a lot of information. You mean the children removed from their parents and transferred or something else?

 

[Shusha]

The UN is an antisemitic, anti-Israel body. We need to kick them out of NY and drop our membership. But that’s another topic, I suppose.

The UN is beyond useless and pointless.

 

[Coyote]

Yes, and the American Left recognizes Ukraine as the victim, and has not only sent them all sorts of military equipment and lots more money than it’s sent Israel, but Biden said it’s OK for Ukraine to drop missiles on Russia.

Biden has given UNRESTRICTED aid both military and financial to Israel. Unrestricted Lisa. Do you understand that?

With Israel, the American Left has taken the opposite approach: tied Israel’s hands and threatened to withdraw support if they went into Raffah.

Our government has not tied Israel’s hands in any meaningful way. No support has ever been withdrawn. You need to get over your Biden hate because he has done more to support Israel than any other president and you ought to at least acknowledge it even if you hate everything else about him. He has been a staunch supporter of Israel.

So why on one hand liberals are for supporting the victim (Ukraine) after an attack from a foreign country, but pressuring the Jews to pull back or else after she was attacked by a foreign country?!

If Ukraine conducted a massive bombing campaign over Russia, with massive civilian casualties…that support would become questionable if not outright cease. Ukraine is under a lot of restrictions when it comes to how they can use American weaponry. I am surprised you didn’t realize since they only recently were given approval to hit military targets inside of Russia, something Israel has always been able to do.

 

[Lisa558]

The UN is beyond useless and pointless.

I would LOVE for the building to be sold, converted to condos, and the ground floor house a Synogogue, Jewish Day School, and a kosher grocery store. Poetic justice.

 

[Coyote]

Not a lot of information. You mean the children removed from their parents and transferred or something else?

Russia took thousands of Ukranian children and dispersed them into the Russian interior.

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[Toddsterpatriot]

I would LOVE for the building to be sold, converted to condos, and the ground floor house a Synogogue, Jewish Day School, and a kosher grocery store. Poetic justice.

Asbestos.
Gotta tear it down.

 

[Coyote]

That’s how people feel on an individual basis, and understandably. But it has long been known that if you negotiate with savage monsters like Islamic terrorists for release of hostages they’ve stolen, you are encouraging the monsters to do it again.

Well, you asked me how I would feel.

The thing is, refusing to negotiate has not been shown to decrease incidences of hostage taking.

 

[Lisa558]

Biden has given UNRESTRICTED aid both military and financial to Israel. Unrestricted Lisa. Do you understand that?

And do you understand that he threatened to withhold aid, and did in fact delay shipment of military equipment, in order to weaken Israel’s ability to destroy the enemy?

Our government has not tied Israel’s hands in any meaningful way. No support has ever been withdrawn. You need to get over your Biden hate because he has done more to support Israel than any other president and you ought to at least acknowledge it even if you hate everything else about him. He has been a staunch supporter of Israel.

No, he has not been a staunch supporter, nor was Harris. And certainly Obama wasn’t. Harris even snubbed Netanyahu to go to a sorority meeting.

They were sending mixed messages all along.

If Ukraine conducted a massive bombing campaign over Russia, with massive civilian casualties…that support would become questionable if not outright cease. Ukraine is under a lot of restrictions when it comes to how they can use American weaponry. I am surprised you didn’t realize since they only recently were given approval to hit military targets inside of Russia, something Israel has always been able to do.

Yes, they were given permission to elevate the war just before aTrump takes office.

And Israel WAS restricted from going into Raffah as they wanted. Biden threatened to withhold aid, and it sent the message that Israel was in the wrong, to say nothing of the actual effect of tying Israel’s hands.

 

[Coyote]

Up until Obama paid the Iranian terror supporters billions for hostages, the policy was not to negotiate. Remember…..HAMAS terrorists are not normal people. All you will do is encourage them to steal a girl and then demand the release of 100 HAMAS terrorists that Israel has in prison.

Hamas terrorists are no different than any other terrorists.

Trump has made it clear that the monsters will have hell to pay if they don’t release the hostages. Biden’s mistake was thinking if he played nice-nice with HAMAS terrorists that he wouldn’t lose the Muslim vote.

Biden hasn’t played nice with Hamas. Have you looked at Gaza lately?

 

[Lisa558]

Asbestos.
Gotta tear it down.

Dang. You’re right.

Well, you asked me how I would feel.

The thing is, refusing to negotiate has not been shown to decrease incidences of hostage taking.

link?

 

[Shusha]

Russia took thousands of Ukranian children and dispersed them into the Russian interior.

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Okay. So, yes that has been widely reported in the news, and widely condemned, and includes an arrest warrant for the perpetrators.

Make your case for Ukraine ceasing all military activity and negotiating a ceasefire with Russia for the return of the hostages and why it is Ukraine's responsibility to its citizens.