Is it possible for atheism to ever be anything more than critical theory?

[ding]

What am I misrepresenting? Can you prove a negative? If not, your only option is to criticize religion.

Actually, I chose the option available to all Atheists, I IGNORE religion.

Clearly you don't read what you write.

More clearly, what I write sails way over your head.

Well then break it down for me.

Do you believe you can prove a negative?

If not how do you validate your beliefs?

I have no beliefs to validate, I'm a nonbeliever. The burden of proof is on the believer.

You just did in post #180.

 

[ding]

Atheism was an important third option in the 20th century. A atheism banks on rejecting both God and Satan. Thereby it was conceived as a religion of itself.

But in the 21st century, computers have eliminated this 3rd option, and so wherever there is no God, there is definitely Satan. This caused atheism to lose its history and become more of another satanist cult recently.

Or God and Satan are one and the same, two sides of the same coin making Atheism the ONLY alternative to Satan.

1 Ch 21: 1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

2 Sam 24: 1 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.

In this case, atheism can't exist, because omnipotence would not give it room. God did create Satan, and as everything that He created, Satan too may be theorized as part of God. However there are different relationships between God and god's parts.

The two verses clearly label Satan as God, not created by God as you falsely claim.

And as far as omnipotence goes, Agathon said it best:
Even God cannot change the past.
- Agathon

The problem is that these are all false statements. And agathon is not God, he can be wrong. Of course God can change the past, mathematically from the infinity start point this is easily possible at least.

Nope, your impotent God can't change the past, the same Super God who made him torture and murder his only begotten son won't let him change the past.

That sounds exactly like you describing your beliefs to me. Beliefs which sound exactly like the OP describes. This is you validating your beliefs by attacking the beliefs of others.

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[edthecynic]

Actually, I chose the option available to all Atheists, I IGNORE religion.

Clearly you don't read what you write.

More clearly, what I write sails way over your head.

Well then break it down for me.

Do you believe you can prove a negative?

If not how do you validate your beliefs?

I have no beliefs to validate, I'm a nonbeliever. The burden of proof is on the believer.

You just did in post #180.

you really need to learn the English language!

 

[edthecynic]

Or God and Satan are one and the same, two sides of the same coin making Atheism the ONLY alternative to Satan.

1 Ch 21: 1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

2 Sam 24: 1 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.

In this case, atheism can't exist, because omnipotence would not give it room. God did create Satan, and as everything that He created, Satan too may be theorized as part of God. However there are different relationships between God and god's parts.

The two verses clearly label Satan as God, not created by God as you falsely claim.

And as far as omnipotence goes, Agathon said it best:
Even God cannot change the past.
- Agathon

The problem is that these are all false statements. And agathon is not God, he can be wrong. Of course God can change the past, mathematically from the infinity start point this is easily possible at least.

Nope, your impotent God can't change the past, the same Super God who made him torture and murder his only begotten son won't let him change the past.

That sounds exactly like you describing your beliefs to me. Beliefs which sound exactly like the OP describes. This is you validating your beliefs by attacking the beliefs of others.

Thanks for proving my point.

I am simply presenting an alternate pontification to your fellow pontificator. You have already established pontification as "a positive argument" and not "Critical Theory," so you are reaping what you have sown.

I can make a positive argument for my beliefs.

No you can't! You can only pontificate what you claim to believe, that you pretend to back up by deliberately misrepresenting anything you cite as support.

 

[ding]

Clearly you don't read what you write.

More clearly, what I write sails way over your head.

Well then break it down for me.

Do you believe you can prove a negative?

If not how do you validate your beliefs?

I have no beliefs to validate, I'm a nonbeliever. The burden of proof is on the believer.

You just did in post #180.

you really need to learn the English language!

Evil, Created In The Image Of God.

Lying suits you. Praise God!

So you are saying Adolph Hitler was made in the image of God, and not God in the image of Hitler.
Thank you.

That's right, all evil is an image of God.

Keep on lying, you are making your god very proud!

You God of lies must be very proud of you.

God and Satan are one and the same

your impotent God can't change the past, the same Super God who made him torture and murder his only begotten son

 

[ding]

In this case, atheism can't exist, because omnipotence would not give it room. God did create Satan, and as everything that He created, Satan too may be theorized as part of God. However there are different relationships between God and god's parts.

The two verses clearly label Satan as God, not created by God as you falsely claim.

And as far as omnipotence goes, Agathon said it best:
Even God cannot change the past.
- Agathon

The problem is that these are all false statements. And agathon is not God, he can be wrong. Of course God can change the past, mathematically from the infinity start point this is easily possible at least.

Nope, your impotent God can't change the past, the same Super God who made him torture and murder his only begotten son won't let him change the past.

That sounds exactly like you describing your beliefs to me. Beliefs which sound exactly like the OP describes. This is you validating your beliefs by attacking the beliefs of others.

Thanks for proving my point.

I am simply presenting an alternate pontification to your fellow pontificator. You have already established pontification as "a positive argument" and not "Critical Theory," so you are reaping what you have sown.

I can make a positive argument for my beliefs.

No you can't! You can only pontificate what you claim to believe, that you pretend to back up by deliberately misrepresenting anything you cite as support.

You are simply attacking the beliefs of others to validate your beliefs because you cannot make a positive case for your beliefs because none exists.

 

[edthecynic]

More clearly, what I write sails way over your head.

Well then break it down for me.

Do you believe you can prove a negative?

If not how do you validate your beliefs?

I have no beliefs to validate, I'm a nonbeliever. The burden of proof is on the believer.

You just did in post #180.

you really need to learn the English language!

Evil, Created In The Image Of God.

Lying suits you. Praise God!

So you are saying Adolph Hitler was made in the image of God, and not God in the image of Hitler.
Thank you.

That's right, all evil is an image of God.

Keep on lying, you are making your god very proud!

You God of lies must be very proud of you.

God and Satan are one and the same

your impotent God can't change the past, the same Super God who made him torture and murder his only begotten son

All of that comes straight from the bible, so it is the bible attacking religion, not me for actually knowing what the bible actually says.

Lam 3: 38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good?

1 Sam 16: 23 And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.

1 Sam 19: 9 And the evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand

Jer 36:3 It may be that the house of Judah will hear all the evil which I purpose to do unto them; that they may return every man from his evil way; that I may forgive their iniquity and their sin.

 

[edthecynic]

The two verses clearly label Satan as God, not created by God as you falsely claim.

And as far as omnipotence goes, Agathon said it best:
Even God cannot change the past.
- Agathon

The problem is that these are all false statements. And agathon is not God, he can be wrong. Of course God can change the past, mathematically from the infinity start point this is easily possible at least.

Nope, your impotent God can't change the past, the same Super God who made him torture and murder his only begotten son won't let him change the past.

That sounds exactly like you describing your beliefs to me. Beliefs which sound exactly like the OP describes. This is you validating your beliefs by attacking the beliefs of others.

Thanks for proving my point.

I am simply presenting an alternate pontification to your fellow pontificator. You have already established pontification as "a positive argument" and not "Critical Theory," so you are reaping what you have sown.

I can make a positive argument for my beliefs.

No you can't! You can only pontificate what you claim to believe, that you pretend to back up by deliberately misrepresenting anything you cite as support.

You are simply attacking the beliefs of others to validate your beliefs because you cannot make a positive case for your beliefs because none exists.

From my experience with you on other threads, I will never expect you to admit the truth.

 

[OnePercenter]

I don't believe it is possible for atheism to ever be anything more than critical theory because there is no affirmative case for atheism. The only argument of atheism is to argue against religion and to criticize religion.

So my question is... Is it possible for atheism to ever be anything more than critical theory?

There is no case for atheism nor religion which is why I'm agnostic.

 

[ding]

Well then break it down for me.

Do you believe you can prove a negative?

If not how do you validate your beliefs?

I have no beliefs to validate, I'm a nonbeliever. The burden of proof is on the believer.

You just did in post #180.

you really need to learn the English language!

Evil, Created In The Image Of God.

Lying suits you. Praise God!

So you are saying Adolph Hitler was made in the image of God, and not God in the image of Hitler.
Thank you.

That's right, all evil is an image of God.

Keep on lying, you are making your god very proud!

You God of lies must be very proud of you.

God and Satan are one and the same

your impotent God can't change the past, the same Super God who made him torture and murder his only begotten son

All of that comes straight from the bible, so it is the bible attacking religion, not me for actually knowing what the bible actually says.

Lam 3: 38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good?

1 Sam 16: 23 And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.

1 Sam 19: 9 And the evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand

Jer 36:3 It may be that the house of Judah will hear all the evil which I purpose to do unto them; that they may return every man from his evil way; that I may forgive their iniquity and their sin.

You are still proving my point Ed.

You are doing exactly what I said you would do.

Thank you.

 

[ding]

I don't believe it is possible for atheism to ever be anything more than critical theory because there is no affirmative case for atheism. The only argument of atheism is to argue against religion and to criticize religion.

So my question is... Is it possible for atheism to ever be anything more than critical theory?

There is no case for atheism nor religion which is why I'm agnostic.

A 6000 year old account says otherwise.

But that isn't for this thread either.

So I will thank you for agreeing with the OP and wish you luck in your agnosticism. Which BTW your previous posts and this one too belies your claim of being agnostic.

 

[ding]

The problem is that these are all false statements. And agathon is not God, he can be wrong. Of course God can change the past, mathematically from the infinity start point this is easily possible at least.

Nope, your impotent God can't change the past, the same Super God who made him torture and murder his only begotten son won't let him change the past.

That sounds exactly like you describing your beliefs to me. Beliefs which sound exactly like the OP describes. This is you validating your beliefs by attacking the beliefs of others.

Thanks for proving my point.

I am simply presenting an alternate pontification to your fellow pontificator. You have already established pontification as "a positive argument" and not "Critical Theory," so you are reaping what you have sown.

I can make a positive argument for my beliefs.

No you can't! You can only pontificate what you claim to believe, that you pretend to back up by deliberately misrepresenting anything you cite as support.

You are simply attacking the beliefs of others to validate your beliefs because you cannot make a positive case for your beliefs because none exists.

From my experience with you on other threads, I will never expect you to admit the truth.

So when I say that you can't prove a negative, I am lying?

 

[anotherlife]

Atheism was an important third option in the 20th century. A atheism banks on rejecting both God and Satan. Thereby it was conceived as a religion of itself.

But in the 21st century, computers have eliminated this 3rd option, and so wherever there is no God, there is definitely Satan. This caused atheism to lose its history and become more of another satanist cult recently.

Or God and Satan are one and the same, two sides of the same coin making Atheism the ONLY alternative to Satan.

1 Ch 21: 1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

2 Sam 24: 1 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.

In this case, atheism can't exist, because omnipotence would not give it room. God did create Satan, and as everything that He created, Satan too may be theorized as part of God. However there are different relationships between God and god's parts.

The two verses clearly label Satan as God, not created by God as you falsely claim.

And as far as omnipotence goes, Agathon said it best:
Even God cannot change the past.
- Agathon

The problem is that these are all false statements. And agathon is not God, he can be wrong. Of course God can change the past, mathematically from the infinity start point this is easily possible at least.

Nope, your impotent God can't change the past, the same Super God who made him torture and murder his only begotten son won't let him change the past.

Your statement here is a religious statement. Only that it's God is that there is no God.

And by the way the past changes continuously too, not only the statistical mismatch between people's memories with events is a proof of that but also the physical fact, that natures laws appear to be constant, proving that they change synchronously with time itself.

 

[rightwinger]

Ok, it appears that some atheists believe that they can prove a negative.

Can we get a show of hands who believes they can prove a negative?

Because if you can't prove a negative how do you propose making an affirmative or positive case for atheism?

We do not have to prove anything
We are not making a claim

That isn't what I have observed here. What I have observed is exactly what the OP describes. Atheists validating their beliefs by attacking the beliefs of others.

It's the reality of the situation. The atheists who post here are literally offended by the beliefs of others which is why they criticize them; it's the only way they can validate their beliefs.

Why do you never see atheists posting threads attacking Christians

That would be you

 

[anotherlife]

What am I misrepresenting? Can you prove a negative? If not, your only option is to criticize religion.

Actually, I chose the option available to all Atheists, I IGNORE religion.

Clearly you don't read what you write.

More clearly, what I write sails way over your head.

Well then break it down for me.

Do you believe you can prove a negative?

If not how do you validate your beliefs?

I have no beliefs to validate, I'm a nonbeliever. The burden of proof is on the believer.

Incorrect logical starting point. There is no burden of proof. And everybody has some belief system. All without proof.

The logic is incorrect, because beliefs by definition assume a much wider reality than what proofs and logic and rules can provide.

 

[ding]

Ok, it appears that some atheists believe that they can prove a negative.

Can we get a show of hands who believes they can prove a negative?

Because if you can't prove a negative how do you propose making an affirmative or positive case for atheism?

We do not have to prove anything
We are not making a claim

That isn't what I have observed here. What I have observed is exactly what the OP describes. Atheists validating their beliefs by attacking the beliefs of others.

It's the reality of the situation. The atheists who post here are literally offended by the beliefs of others which is why they criticize them; it's the only way they can validate their beliefs.

Why do you never see atheists posting threads attacking Christians

That would be you

Because they do it inside of threads created by others?

Are you sure atheists never create threads attacking Christian beliefs?

 

[anotherlife]

Plus the other problem with atheism is that it is a purely political stunt. Mostly used by Marxist political strategists. In contrast, religions offer personal enrichment.

 

[dblack]

Plus the other problem with atheism is that it is a purely political stunt. Mostly used by Marxist political strategists. In contrast, religions offer personal enrichment.

 

[dblack]

Plus the other problem with atheism is that it is a purely political stunt. Mostly used by Marxist political strategists. In contrast, religions offer personal enrichment.

Huh... I never got the memo on the Marxist thing.

 

[ding]

Plus the other problem with atheism is that it is a purely political stunt. Mostly used by Marxist political strategists. In contrast, religions offer personal enrichment.

Do you believe in cause and effect?