CDZ Is it appropriate for former president obama to conspire against the sitting President?

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There is a fine line between what Obama(and others)are doing and Sedition. In fact since all he is doing is not known....he is very secretive about it...it could very well be sedition. Though at this point I will stick to my theme of it being inappropriate....at least until more of what he has done and is doing is revealed. One big question is there any connection between Obama and the antifa movement. Unmasking the leftist Antifa movement - CNN

se·di·tion
səˈdiSH(ə)n/
noun
  1. conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or it's leadership.
18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United Statescontrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

Sir, If Obama leads an armed revolution I'll probably be fighting against him.

At this point though I think we're wandering into the conspiracy theory zone. I'm not above talking about CIA Corporations, government medical experiments on blacks, arms for hostages or our war in Angola but at this point I'm thinking the Democrats are just trying to make sure the next time they get more votes they "get the right votes" and win the election.

On a side conspiracy note lol: There are probably a few people in "D" party headquarters wondering how they have come up with Al Gore and Hillary Clinton in attempts to lose an election....

Well
Well, Carter laid the foundation by constantly attacking his successor....but obama has gone even further than Carter did....Inside Obama’s secret meetings with 2020 contenders

What such behavior demonstrates really is a lack of respect for the voters. and for America.

Is it legal for a former President to work with potential future presidential candidates....hmmmmm yes.

It would be illegal to tell a former President that he couldn't.

....some have referred to it as attempting to be a 'shadow president' aka remaining in the Capital, having secret meetings geared to hurt Trump etc.etc. and so on and so forth is unseemly for a formerPresident and needs to be exposed .

'some' meaning idiotic right wing blowhards and their parroting of Trump's tweets.

President Obama was quite open about why he remained in DC- so his daughter could finish high school there- how nefarious!

Exactly what were these secret meeting intended to 'hurt Trump'?

And what are the etc, etc, and so on and so on?

Shouldn't you be more concerned about the unseemly actions of our current President?


bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa what b.s. Obama is just using his daughter and her finiishing school there as an excuse aka cover for his real reasons for remaining in the Capitol. No former President in History has done that...and Obama should not have done it..

In a previous post you opined that posts should be supported by evidence.

You have no evidence to support your claim that President Obama is motivated by anything other than his publicly stated reason.

If you do have evidence- give it. Otherwise admit it is purely your biased opinion.
 
There is a fine line between what Obama(and others)are doing and Sedition. In fact since all he is doing is not known....he is very secretive about it...it could very well be sedition. Though at this point I will stick to my theme of it being inappropriate....at least until more of what he has done and is doing is revealed. One big question is there any connection between Obama and the antifa movement. Unmasking the leftist Antifa movement - CNN

se·di·tion
səˈdiSH(ə)n/
noun
  1. conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or it's leadership.
18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United Statescontrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

Sir, If Obama leads an armed revolution I'll probably be fighting against him.

At this point though I think we're wandering into the conspiracy theory zone. I'm not above talking about CIA Corporations, government medical experiments on blacks, arms for hostages or our war in Angola but at this point I'm thinking the Democrats are just trying to make sure the next time they get more votes they "get the right votes" and win the election.

On a side conspiracy note lol: There are probably a few people in "D" party headquarters wondering how they have come up with Al Gore and Hillary Clinton in attempts to lose an election....

Well
Well, Carter laid the foundation by constantly attacking his successor....but obama has gone even further than Carter did....Inside Obama’s secret meetings with 2020 contenders

What such behavior demonstrates really is a lack of respect for the voters. and for America.

Is it legal for a former President to work with potential future presidential candidates....hmmmmm yes.

It would be illegal to tell a former President that he couldn't.

....some have referred to it as attempting to be a 'shadow president' aka remaining in the Capital, having secret meetings geared to hurt Trump etc.etc. and so on and so forth is unseemly for a formerPresident and needs to be exposed .

'some' meaning idiotic right wing blowhards and their parroting of Trump's tweets.

President Obama was quite open about why he remained in DC- so his daughter could finish high school there- how nefarious!

Exactly what were these secret meeting intended to 'hurt Trump'?

And what are the etc, etc, and so on and so on?

Shouldn't you be more concerned about the unseemly actions of our current President?




Obama's goal, according to a close family friend, is to oust Trump (Not quite to the level of a coup d etat but close) from the presidency either by forcing his resignation or through his impeachment.

'a close family friend'?

Citation? Name?

I am ignoring the usual Soros alt-right wingnuttery.
 
If Obama could run for President again he would stomp the liar in chief into the ground and win in a landslide.
 
I see a man who doesn't think he has ever done anything wrong. He even said he has never bothered to ask Gods forgiveness for anything, because he has never had a reason to.


We are not talking about Harry Reid , Nancy Pelosi or obama..

Of course we aren't. We are talking about that orange pig.
Show some respect for the office, and refrain from such ignorant insults. At least until he is out of office.

Imagine, for a moment, if someone had made a similar comment about Mr. Obama. Oh, wait, don't have to. Every single time they were labeled as a racist, etc. At least be consistent.

And they were racist.
I suppose you see nothing wrong with making disparaging remarks about Trump. IMHO, you would be just as WRONG in doing that as anyone who made disparaging remarks about ANY sitting President. If you wish to openly, and publicly disagree, fine, that is the American way. To sling immature insults, well, that comes straight out of View attachment 198827.
So, go ahead. Delegitimize your comments all you wish. I'll will do my best to call you out every time I see it, as I will (and have been) for anyone who partakes in such childish behaviour.

Note: I am saying NOTHING about the content of your character, nor your motives. I am simply calling your behaviour what I see it to be. You are free to disagree, but, as per the rules of this thread, please refrain from PERSONAL INSULTS, no matter who they are about.

Sorry, but Trump will never receive the forced fauning that he said he admires of Kim. His lying isn't acceptable. His ignorance isn't an asset. You are free to support that pig, but the country does not.
 
We are not talking about Harry Reid , Nancy Pelosi or obama..

Of course we aren't. We are talking about that orange pig.
Show some respect for the office, and refrain from such ignorant insults. At least until he is out of office.

Imagine, for a moment, if someone had made a similar comment about Mr. Obama. Oh, wait, don't have to. Every single time they were labeled as a racist, etc. At least be consistent.

And they were racist.
I suppose you see nothing wrong with making disparaging remarks about Trump. IMHO, you would be just as WRONG in doing that as anyone who made disparaging remarks about ANY sitting President. If you wish to openly, and publicly disagree, fine, that is the American way. To sling immature insults, well, that comes straight out of View attachment 198827.
So, go ahead. Delegitimize your comments all you wish. I'll will do my best to call you out every time I see it, as I will (and have been) for anyone who partakes in such childish behaviour.

Note: I am saying NOTHING about the content of your character, nor your motives. I am simply calling your behaviour what I see it to be. You are free to disagree, but, as per the rules of this thread, please refrain from PERSONAL INSULTS, no matter who they are about.

Sorry, but Trump will never receive the forced fauning that he said he admires of Kim. His lying isn't acceptable. His ignorance isn't an asset. You are free to support that pig, but the country does not.
Sorry, but Trump will never receive the forced fauning that he said he admires of Kim.
I NEVER said anything like that. Additionally, I truly hope you are correct.
His lying isn't acceptable.
I agree.
His ignorance isn't an asset.
To what do you refer? What are you suggesting Trump is ignorant of? That said, ignorance is almost never an asset, so you are likely correct again.
You are free to support that pig, but the country does not
Maybe you are right, that the country does not support him, irrelevant to my comments though. Also, I am free to support him, or not, as you are free to say, and support, what you like. What you fail to understand, apparently, is that you posting things like this (calling Trump a "pig") only serves to undermine your credibility, at least to people who have the intellectual ability to civilly disagree. If you have something to say about his policies, actions, or general character, say it. If all you are going to do is try to put words "in my mouth", and call names, please feel free to move to the Flame Zone. I understand that is the place to hurl insults and the like. Here in the CDZ, I like to think that people are willing, able and desirous of actual debate, and conversation on topics of substance.
 
Of course we aren't. We are talking about that orange pig.
Show some respect for the office, and refrain from such ignorant insults. At least until he is out of office.

Imagine, for a moment, if someone had made a similar comment about Mr. Obama. Oh, wait, don't have to. Every single time they were labeled as a racist, etc. At least be consistent.

And they were racist.
I suppose you see nothing wrong with making disparaging remarks about Trump. IMHO, you would be just as WRONG in doing that as anyone who made disparaging remarks about ANY sitting President. If you wish to openly, and publicly disagree, fine, that is the American way. To sling immature insults, well, that comes straight out of View attachment 198827.
So, go ahead. Delegitimize your comments all you wish. I'll will do my best to call you out every time I see it, as I will (and have been) for anyone who partakes in such childish behaviour.

Note: I am saying NOTHING about the content of your character, nor your motives. I am simply calling your behaviour what I see it to be. You are free to disagree, but, as per the rules of this thread, please refrain from PERSONAL INSULTS, no matter who they are about.

Sorry, but Trump will never receive the forced fauning that he said he admires of Kim. His lying isn't acceptable. His ignorance isn't an asset. You are free to support that pig, but the country does not.
Sorry, but Trump will never receive the forced fauning that he said he admires of Kim.
I NEVER said anything like that. Additionally, I truly hope you are correct.
His lying isn't acceptable.
I agree.
His ignorance isn't an asset.
To what do you refer? What are you suggesting Trump is ignorant of? That said, ignorance is almost never an asset, so you are likely correct again.
You are free to support that pig, but the country does not
Maybe you are right, that the country does not support him, irrelevant to my comments though. Also, I am free to support him, or not, as you are free to say, and support, what you like. What you fail to understand, apparently, is that you posting things like this (calling Trump a "pig") only serves to undermine your credibility, at least to people who have the intellectual ability to civilly disagree. If you have something to say about his policies, actions, or general character, say it. If all you are going to do is try to put words "in my mouth", and call names, please feel free to move to the Flame Zone. I understand that is the place to hurl insults and the like. Here in the CDZ, I like to think that people are willing, able and desirous of actual debate, and conversation on topics of substance.


Trump is a classic example of an overbearing despot, quite often referred to as a pig. If it bothers you to hear him described as such, you should encourage him to change his behavior.
 
Bush never said anything negative about obama....he did not have secret meetings in Washington like obama, he did not stay in Washington D.C. like Obama....in fact Obama is the first former President to remain in the Capital after leaving office...what is he up to?.

You do understand that Obama was a popular president when he left office -- so him potentially campaigning on behalf of candidates is expected.

Meanwhile Bush was shunned by his own party the day he left office -- so much so that Republicans still pretend to this day that he didn't exist -- then there are desperate republicans like you who only bring Bush up to soothe your butthurt over Obama

Bush's presidency being the disaster that it was -- is what kept his mouth shut -- but even if he did speak out against Obama -- it's not wrong
 
There is a fine line between what Obama(and others)are doing and Sedition. In fact since all he is doing is not known....he is very secretive about it...it could very well be sedition. Though at this point I will stick to my theme of it being inappropriate....at least until more of what he has done and is doing is revealed. One big question is there any connection between Obama and the antifa movement. Unmasking the leftist Antifa movement - CNN

se·di·tion
səˈdiSH(ə)n/
noun
  1. conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or it's leadership.
18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United Statescontrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

So what in particular are you claiming might be 'seditious'?

Remember- just you imagining what President Obama might be doing in secret is just you imagining.

Lets stick to the facts.

The only thing we know of is that President Obama met with potential candidates for the 2020 Presidential election.

Why do you think that working with candidates for political office in the United States might be 'seditious'?

I have a second part to this- which I will post seperately.

The key woids being 'might be' anyhow I was pretty clear in that I only claim what he is doing ...staying in the Capiitol etc. is just inappropriate...at least on the surface...what he is really doing behind closed doors could be much worse....and of course I mentioned this report---'Obama's goal, according to a close family friend, is to oust Trump (Not quite to the level of a coup d etat but close) from the presidency either by forcing his resignation or through his impeachment.' which obviously is very close to being seditious and certainly highly inappropriate for a former President to be plotting such activity in my opinion.

But it is beginning to be more than obvious that Obama is pretty much irrelevant already and is becoming much more so every day...so in reality he is just working himself to death and accomplishing nothing...he was a failure..the worst president in modern history even exceeding Carter's miserable tenure. Yet obama and hillary are the only leaders the democratic party has...which demonstrates their diastrous situation.....and the Socialists are going to capitalize on that....as I mentioned before...if the Socialist Party can come up with a young charismatic candidate....goodbye democrats and if such a candidate arises he would also be a formidable foe for Trump. Anyhow...go ahead and attempt to defend obama....quite meaningless at this point.

Democrats in the Wilderness
 
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Former presidents should fade away quietly.

And they usually do. Every living ex-president has said this one sucks though. First time that has ever happened.

All the living Presidents were miserable Presidents though none were as bad as Obama. This country has a long history of poor leadership actually ...America is great not because of our so called leaders but in spite of them. Trump however is well on his way to becoming a truly great President. A real leader and one who is in touch with the White Working Class. Nuff said. Class dismissed.
 
There is a fine line between what Obama(and others)are doing and Sedition. In fact since all he is doing is not known....he is very secretive about it...it could very well be sedition. Though at this point I will stick to my theme of it being inappropriate....at least until more of what he has done and is doing is revealed. One big question is there any connection between Obama and the antifa movement. Unmasking the leftist Antifa movement - CNN

se·di·tion
səˈdiSH(ə)n/
noun
  1. conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or it's leadership.
18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United Statescontrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

So what in particular are you claiming might be 'seditious'?

Remember- just you imagining what President Obama might be doing in secret is just you imagining.

Lets stick to the facts.

The only thing we know of is that President Obama met with potential candidates for the 2020 Presidential election.

Why do you think that working with candidates for political office in the United States might be 'seditious'?

I have a second part to this- which I will post seperately.

The key woids being 'might be' anyhow I was pretty clear in that I only claim what he is doing ...staying in the Capiitol etc. is just inappropriate...at least on the surface...what he is really doing behind closed doors could be much worse....and of course I mentioned this report---'Obama's goal, according to a close family friend, is to oust Trump (Not quite to the level of a coup d etat but close) from the presidency either by forcing his resignation or through his impeachment.' which obviously is very close to being seditious and certainly highly inappropriate for a former President to be plotting such activity in my opinion.

But it is beginning to be more than obvious that Obama is pretty much irrelevant already and is becoming much more so every day...so in reality he is just working himself to death and accomplishing nothing...he was a failure..the worst president in modern history even exceeding Carter's miserable tenure. Yet obama and hillary are the only leaders the democratic party has...which demonstrates their diastrous situation.....and the Socialists are going to capitalize on that....as I mentioned before...if the Socialist Party can come up with a young charismatic candidate....goodbye democrats and it such a candidate would also be a formidable foe for Trump. Anyhow...go ahead and attempt to defend obama....quite meaningless at this point.

You throw around words like sedition for shock value just like our illegitimate president does. You chose Trump. You support Trump. You will have to deal with the blowback those choices cause. It's patriotic to work to remove the pathetic excuse for a president that we currently have. Your whining won't stop the country from using all efforts to return the US to sanity.
 
Bush never said anything negative about obama....he did not have secret meetings in Washington like obama, he did not stay in Washington D.C. like Obama....in fact Obama is the first former President to remain in the Capital after leaving office...what is he up to?.

You do understand that Obama was a popular president when he left office -- so him potentially campaigning on behalf of candidates is expected.

Meanwhile Bush was shunned by his own party the day he left office -- so much so that Republicans still pretend to this day that he didn't exist -- then there are desperate republicans like you who only bring Bush up to soothe your butthurt over Obama

Bush's presidency being the disaster that it was -- is what kept his mouth shut -- but even if he did speak out against Obama -- it's not wrong

I think all the polls on Obama's popularity and performance were rigged. If the polls had been correct hillary would be president...that pretty much proves my point.
 
Former presidents should fade away quietly.

And they usually do. Every living ex-president has said this one sucks though. First time that has ever happened.

All the living Presidents were miserable Presidents though none were as bad as Obama. This country has a long history of poor leadership actually ...America is great not because of our so called leaders but in spite of them. Trump however is well on his way to becoming a truly great President. A real leader and one who is in touch with the White Working Class. Nuff said. Class dismissed.

Typical Trumpian remark. Arrogant, but wrong in every way.
 
Bush never said anything negative about obama....he did not have secret meetings in Washington like obama, he did not stay in Washington D.C. like Obama....in fact Obama is the first former President to remain in the Capital after leaving office...what is he up to?.

You do understand that Obama was a popular president when he left office -- so him potentially campaigning on behalf of candidates is expected.

Meanwhile Bush was shunned by his own party the day he left office -- so much so that Republicans still pretend to this day that he didn't exist -- then there are desperate republicans like you who only bring Bush up to soothe your butthurt over Obama

Bush's presidency being the disaster that it was -- is what kept his mouth shut -- but even if he did speak out against Obama -- it's not wrong

I think all the polls on Obama's popularity and performance were rigged. If the polls had been correct hillary would be president...that pretty much proves my point.

You have made it clear that you think a lot of things that just don't match reality.
 
There is a fine line between what Obama(and others)are doing and Sedition. In fact since all he is doing is not known....he is very secretive about it...it could very well be sedition. Though at this point I will stick to my theme of it being inappropriate....at least until more of what he has done and is doing is revealed. One big question is there any connection between Obama and the antifa movement. Unmasking the leftist Antifa movement - CNN

se·di·tion
səˈdiSH(ə)n/
noun
  1. conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or it's leadership.
18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United Statescontrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

So what in particular are you claiming might be 'seditious'?

Remember- just you imagining what President Obama might be doing in secret is just you imagining.

Lets stick to the facts.

The only thing we know of is that President Obama met with potential candidates for the 2020 Presidential election.

Why do you think that working with candidates for political office in the United States might be 'seditious'?

I have a second part to this- which I will post seperately.

The key woids being 'might be' anyhow I was pretty clear in that I only claim what he is doing ...staying in the Capiitol etc. is just inappropriate...at least on the surface...what he is really doing behind closed doors could be much worse....and of course I mentioned this report---'Obama's goal, according to a close family friend, is to oust Trump (Not quite to the level of a coup d etat but close) from the presidency either by forcing his resignation or through his impeachment.' which obviously is very close to being seditious and certainly highly inappropriate for a former President to be plotting such activity in my opinion.s

No- you were pretty clear in saying you thought what he was doing might be seditious

There is a fine line between what Obama(and others)are doing and Sedition. In fact since all he is doing is not known....he is very secretive about it...it could very well be sedition.

Which is a very serious charge. I know in Trump's world, it is normal to just throw around accusations of breaking the law irregardless of the facts- but I am calling you on what you said.

Back it up- or admit you are just making this crap up.
 
There is a fine line between what Obama(and others)are doing and Sedition. In fact since all he is doing is not known....he is very secretive about it...it could very well be sedition. Though at this point I will stick to my theme of it being inappropriate....at least until more of what he has done and is doing is revealed. One big question is there any connection between Obama and the antifa movement. Unmasking the leftist Antifa movement - CNN

se·di·tion
səˈdiSH(ə)n/
noun
  1. conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or it's leadership.
18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United Statescontrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

So what in particular are you claiming might be 'seditious'?

Remember- just you imagining what President Obama might be doing in secret is just you imagining.

Lets stick to the facts.

The only thing we know of is that President Obama met with potential candidates for the 2020 Presidential election.

Why do you think that working with candidates for political office in the United States might be 'seditious'?

I have a second part to this- which I will post seperately.

....and of course I mentioned this report---'Obama's goal, according to a close family friend, .

What 'report'

What close family friend'?

Specifically.

Put up- or shut up.
 
Former presidents should fade away quietly.

And they usually do. Every living ex-president has said this one sucks though. First time that has ever happened.

All the living Presidents were miserable Presidents though none were as bad as Obama. This country has a long history of poor leadership actually ...America is great not because of our so called leaders but in spite of them. Trump however is well on his way to becoming a truly great President. A real leader and one who is in touch with the White Working Class. Nuff said. Class dismissed.

'in touch with the White Working Class'

yep- enough said. lol
 
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