BULLDOG
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Yes. We can all see the dignity the right is interested in
CDZ Is it appropriate for former president obama to conspire against the sitting President?
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This is not about whether Obama's plotting against and attempting to undermine Trump is legal or not....just whether it is appropriate or not....one big problem with a lot of posters is they jump in without reading previous posts....make false assumptions and thus disrupt the thread needlessly.
My contention is that a former President should not go to the extremes that Carder did against Bush and that Obama has done even more so with Trump....some have referred to it as attempting to be a 'shadow president' aka remaining in the Capital, having secret meetings geared to hurt Trump etc.etc. and so on and so forth is unseemly for a formerPresident and needs to be exposed ....so citizens can make up their own minds regarding whether or not Obama is attempting to harm America by sabotaging Trump with his clandestine activities.
I am not a fan of George Bush but he set a good example by not doing anything or saying anything to try and defame or hurt Obama....unfortunately he has attacked Trump...because he was butt hurt when jeb lost.
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We have a president who braggs about grabbing women by the *****, walking in, unannounced, on young beauty pagent girls while they are dressing,and makes fun of handicapped people. Are you sure you want to discuss inappropriate behavior by a president?
Conspire is a specific legal term- and that is the term you used.
make secret plans jointly to commit an unlawful or harmful act.
What is the conspiracy that you are are so concerned about?
Former President Obama meeting with potential Democratic candidates for the 2020 Presidential election. How nefarious.
How ridiculous this thread is.
'some' meaning idiotic right wing blowhards and their parroting of Trump's tweets.
President Obama was quite open about why he remained in DC- so his daughter could finish high school there- how nefarious!
Exactly what were these secret meeting intended to 'hurt Trump'?
And what are the etc, etc, and so on and so on?
Shouldn't you be more concerned about the unseemly actions of our current President?
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There is a fine line between what Obama(and others)are doing and Sedition. In fact since all he is doing is not known....he is very secretive about it...it could very well be sedition. Though at this point I will stick to my theme of it being inappropriate....at least until more of what he has done and is doing is revealed. One big question is there any connection between Obama and the antifa movement. Unmasking the leftist Antifa movement - CNN
se·di·tion
səˈdiSH(ə)n/
noun
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United Statescontrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
se·di·tion
səˈdiSH(ə)n/
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- conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or it's leadership.
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United Statescontrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
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Wow! The competing party has been planning the next election! Who would have thought! It has only worked that way since the begining!
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Sir, If Obama leads an armed revolution I'll probably be fighting against him.
At this point though I think we're wandering into the conspiracy theory zone. I'm not above talking about CIA Corporations, government medical experiments on blacks, arms for hostages or our war in Angola but at this point I'm thinking the Democrats are just trying to make sure the next time they get more votes they "get the right votes" and win the election.
On a side conspiracy note lol: There are probably a few people in "D" party headquarters wondering how they have come up with Al Gore and Hillary Clinton in attempts to lose an election....
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I am not a fan of GeorgeBush but he set a good example by not doinganything or saying anything to try and defame or hurtObama....unfortunately he hasattacked Trump...because he was butt hurt when jeb lost.
Interesting statement, I don't see it that way but just my personal opinion, that doesn't mean anything
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Well, we all operate on here mostly motivated by our opinions. Where most posters screw up is by not re-inforcing their opinions with available evidence or by ignoring the available avidence, facts and truths relevant to the issue under discussion because it is more important to them to promote their agenda irregardless of the facts...and some even willing to lie to maintain their agenda.
I think there should be a forum for documenting blatant liars...I am thinking particuarly of one who has been exposed several times for being a liar but instead of slinking off into the darkness where she and all liars belong -----continues to tell one lie after another. Now some make mistakes...in fact we all make occasional mistakes but blatant liars are a different matter they should be exposed and censored.
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I suppose you see nothing wrong with making disparaging remarks about Trump. IMHO, you would be just as WRONG in doing that as anyone who made disparaging remarks about ANY sitting President. If you wish to openly, and publicly disagree, fine, that is the American way. To sling immature insults, well, that comes straight out of
So, go ahead. Delegitimize your comments all you wish. I'll will do my best to call you out every time I see it, as I will (and have been) for anyone who partakes in such childish behaviour.
Note: I am saying NOTHING about the content of your character, nor your motives. I am simply calling your behaviour what I see it to be. You are free to disagree, but, as per the rules of this thread, please refrain from PERSONAL INSULTS, no matter who they are about.
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bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa what b.s. Obama is just using his daughter and her finiishing school there as an excuse aka cover for his real reasons for remaining in the Capitol. No former President in History has done that...and Obama should not have done it....not only is it unseemly but that and his other clandestine activities sets a unhealthy precedent for our tradition of a peaceful transition of power. I mean we have not reached the point where we operate like some banana republic ya know when after the election...the results are ignored and violence erupts and they settle the election by violence instead of by the ballot....we are not quite there but Obama's actions lead us closer to that type of thing....look at antifa and their violence, their support from Soros and obamas relationship with Soros. They talk about the Russians meddling ...look at Soros who has used his wealth to incessantly meddle in our elections and promote poitical violence in America....that is what needs to be investigated and how Obama has conspired with Soros.
Obama's goal, according to a close family friend, is to oust Trump (Not quite to the level of a coup d etat but close) from the presidency either by forcing his resignation or through his impeachment.
And Obama is being aided in his political crusade by his longtime consigliere, Valerie Jarrett, who has moved into the 8,200-square-foot, $5.3-million Kaloroma mansion with the former president and Michelle Obama, long time best friends.
Jarrett played a vital - if at times low-key - role in the Obama presidency. She lived in the White House, dined with the Obamas, and help shape his domestic and foreign policies.
Obama confidante Valerie Jarrett moves in to Kaloroma home | Daily Mail Online
When former President Barack Obama said he was “heartened” by anti-Trump protests, he was sending a message of approval to his troops. Troops? Yes, Obama has an army of agitators — numbering more than 30,000 — who will fight his Republican successor at every turn of his historic presidency. And Obama will command them from a bunker less than two miles from the White House.
In what’s shaping up to be a highly unusual post-presidency, Obama isn’t just staying behind in Washington. He’s working behind the scenes to set up what will effectively be a shadow government to not only protect his threatened legacy, but to sabotage the incoming administration and its popular “America First” agenda
https://nypost.com/2017/02/11/how-obama-is-scheming-to-sabotage-trumps-presidency/
The personal relationship between Soros and Obama goes back at least as far as June, 2004, when the billionaire Soros hosted a fundraiser for Obama’s U.S. Senate campaign at his New York home. Soros’ and the Lefts’ “Chosen One,” Obama, was successfully elected to the U.S Senate. And, after the failure of their efforts to oust George Bush in 2004, Soros convened another secretive meeting of 70 like-minded and wealthy donors in Scottsdale, Ariz., to take a look at what had gone wrong and to develop a plan for the future. This meeting would eventually be called the “Phoenix Group” and, in the end, Barack Obama would be the benefactor of the efforts that would emerge from this confab.
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So what in particular are you claiming might be 'seditious'?
Remember- just you imagining what President Obama might be doing in secret is just you imagining.
Lets stick to the facts.
The only thing we know of is that President Obama met with potential candidates for the 2020 Presidential election.
Why do you think that working with candidates for political office in the United States might be 'seditious'?
I have a second part to this- which I will post seperately.
So was Donald Trump 'seditious' when he promoted the Birther lies in order to undermine the leadership of the state?
This argument would be more persuasive if you provided evidence to support your opinion regarding the theme of this thread.
USMB is often the forum for documenting blatant liars- I see thread after thread devoted to pointing out President Trump's constant and blatant lies.
Not that his supporters will ever censor his lies.
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