Is Israel bad for the Jews?

[Phoenall]

Jews are by definition racist. Zionism is an international form of the racism. If racism is good, why do zionists deny zionism is exactly like nazism?

Jews are NOT by definition racist. Jews are people, and have all sorts of opinions, as you would expect of a religion and culture of tens of millions.

ZIONISM is a freaky and very new political movement, which is 99.9% (or something close) racist, which Jews choose to support, and Jews choose to oppose.

There are more Christian Zionists than there are Jewish ones.

Zionism purposely tries to steal Judaism to hide behind. Don't fall for that trick. When people choose to do bad stuff, they will find all sorts of excuses why it "wasn't really them" but "they were doing it for a special reason" like religion.

Its not true. Bad stuff is usually done because it is profitable, or makes the evil-doer feel important.

How about some evidence of Zionism being racist from a non partisan source then ?

That's rather obvious , isn't it. Jews say of themselves, "We are the chosen people " is that non bias enough for you.

Tell you what why don't you find the context it was originally meant and see how stupid you are.

 

[toastman]

As an aside, are you embarrassed by ISIS?

I ******* am - they behave like Zionists.
Disgusting.

ISIS behaves like Israel? Really?

What similarities do you see?

ISIS behaves like so many Muslims in that area do: extremely violent, no care for human life whatsoever, beheading people, mass executions, torture, using the Koran to justify their disgusting Muslim behaviour.

 

[Phoenall]

So what would you have the Jewish people do?

Act like human beings. That seems to be out of the question. Oh I don't see any Arab state attacking Israel so lets put that to rest, and if one does they have proved rather well they can take care of themselves.

None is so blind as those who will not see.

No Arab state? You just proved yourself too maleducated to understand. It is not "Arab state" it is Muslim states. Do you know the diff??? And you must not be aware (of course) of Hezbollah, the Hamas-holes, the Iranian public decrees, Syrian puppets, or the general Caliphate.

Defending themselves isn't acting like human beings?? What a dolt. Learn something and get back to me...

Give it a rest. Of course I know what it means, as most Arabs are Muslims, but even Hebrews are Arabs.

Yes well Iran is not doing anything are they , Israel has nukes, why shouldn't Iran, its none of Israel's business. Syria isn't either. They voted Assad in and so that is who they have, its time our US People distance themselves from Israel, Also we need that money we send them. We need to get rid of the AIPAC lobby, and Zionist in our government.

So full of hate.

No, I will not rest, I enjoy debating intolerant libs. Bring it! I will respond when I have time....

No, your original use of the term Arab was incorrect. But nice try.

You say Iran isn't doing anything? You are obvious ill-informed as to what is happening in Syria (Hezbollah being an Iranian puppet), or who is backing ISIS, or who is putting their money and arms where their mouth has been? Nay, you don't know what I'm talking about.

You say Syria and Iran is not Israel's business? How dumb. That is like saying, only watered down, that Mexico isn't the U.S.'s business. Syria HATES Israel. The Palestines HATE Israel. Iran, the puppet master, has vowed publically to "whip them off the map." And Israel should ignore all that, should ignore the daily rockets? Meanwhile they ship hundreds of trucks of humanitarian aid to Gaza, met with more rockets, and the lib media that you adore and are a drone to, failed to mention ANY of this?

Come on, give me something to chew on...

Everybody hates Israel. I head they have skunk trucks that also go through their neighborhoods, and those trucks are are full of imported supplies. Hey if you were Iran and Israel has been bad mouthing your for decades I imagine you'd be pissed as well. I can't barely read the news , without Israel saying something about Iran. Israel needs to leave Iran alone . Iran is none of their business.

Well I know of at least 40 million people that don't hate Israel, so were do you get your information from.

 

[Penelope]

If you are over 50 and were raised in a Jewish household, you either heard the question — “but is it good for the Jews?” — explicitly asked numerous times or were subtly encouraged to think the question to yourself.

It reflects a group-centered concern born of the memory of anti-Semitic hostility and a seemingly unending vulnerability, and it can apply to almost any public action: federal or local legislation, cultural trends, foreign policy decisions, etc.

After WWII, most Jews assumed Zionism and the state of Israel were good for the Jews. But 6 decades later, we now have a mountain of evidence to answer that question more comprehensively.

According to Jewish scholars,

“the slaughter of Palestinian civilians and the Dresden-like reduction to rubble of large parts of Gaza by Israel’s military forces in the name of its own citizens’ security has exposed the hypocrisy that lies at the heart of Israel’s dealings with the Palestinians. Israel’s claim to the right of self-defense in order to prevent its victims’ emergence from under its occupation is the ultimate expression of chutzpa.”
- Henry Siegman, president of the U.S./Middle East Project and former national director of the American Jewish Congress.

“too many Israelis seem to believe - indeed, to take absolutely for granted - that they have the God-given right to occupy, suppress, disenfranchise and displace non-Jews … in Israel.”
- Siegman again

That last one reminds me of a few Israeli members at this particular website.

A couple more comments, then a final thought on Monday's show...

“We are alarmed by the extreme, racist dehumanization of Palestinians in Israeli society. … In Israel, politicians and pundits in The Times of Israel and The Jerusalem Post have called openly for genocide of Palestinians and right-wing Israelis are adopting Neo-Nazi insignia.”
- Holocaust survivors and children of survivors [in] a notice in the New York Times

“This now is Israel, a country … where imposing collective punishment of innocents is the main point, whose elected officials pine openly for concentration camps and genocide. … Hyper-nationalistic, loaded with nuclear weapons, deeply racist, persuaded that opposition to it is derived from anti-Semitism, feeling that the Holocaust gives it license to do whatever it wants and that the normal rules of international conduct will never apply to it.”
- Scott McConnell, the founding editor of the American Conservative

Here's a final thought, during Rabin's time, anti-Semitism was down, during Netanfuckyou's time, anti-Semitism is up. Conclusion: Israeli policies foment Jewish hatred.

Therefore, the single biggest threat to Jews on planet earth, is Zionism.

The single biggest threat to the Jews today is idiotic NAZI ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATERS like you

HI, as I was just explaining to Daniyel, many Jews are probably part German (German Genes), so that is rather a strange thing to say when you think about it.

How so being a Nazi has nothing to do with RACE, but all to do with culture and belief. The term Nazi covers an ideological movement that puts its members as a superior race to everyone else. This is explained in the Koran how allah made the muslims his chosen ones to rule the world in his name and to be superior to everyone else. Were do you think the German national socialist workers party got all their ideas from, but from the pact of Omar and the dhimmi laws.

Right both Nazism and Zionism are both political ideologies. Muhammad never made the Muslims the chosen one that was the Jews or lets get a verse from the Koran which I have read all of, but back it up. They got their idea when 1 % of Jews started running Germany, and then Judea declared war on Germany in 1933. You are aware that some Jews fought for Hitler aren't you?

 

[Penelope]

So what would you have the Jewish people do?

Act like human beings. That seems to be out of the question. Oh I don't see any Arab state attacking Israel so lets put that to rest, and if one does they have proved rather well they can take care of themselves.

None is so blind as those who will not see.

No Arab state? You just proved yourself too maleducated to understand. It is not "Arab state" it is Muslim states. Do you know the diff??? And you must not be aware (of course) of Hezbollah, the Hamas-holes, the Iranian public decrees, Syrian puppets, or the general Caliphate.

Defending themselves isn't acting like human beings?? What a dolt. Learn something and get back to me...

Give it a rest. Of course I know what it means, as most Arabs are Muslims, but even Hebrews are Arabs.

Yes well Iran is not doing anything are they , Israel has nukes, why shouldn't Iran, its none of Israel's business. Syria isn't either. They voted Assad in and so that is who they have, its time our US People distance themselves from Israel, Also we need that money we send them. We need to get rid of the AIPAC lobby, and Zionist in our government.

So full of hate.

No, I will not rest, I enjoy debating intolerant libs. Bring it! I will respond when I have time....

No, your original use of the term Arab was incorrect. But nice try.

You say Iran isn't doing anything? You are obvious ill-informed as to what is happening in Syria (Hezbollah being an Iranian puppet), or who is backing ISIS, or who is putting their money and arms where their mouth has been? Nay, you don't know what I'm talking about.

You say Syria and Iran is not Israel's business? How dumb. That is like saying, only watered down, that Mexico isn't the U.S.'s business. Syria HATES Israel. The Palestines HATE Israel. Iran, the puppet master, has vowed publically to "whip them off the map." And Israel should ignore all that, should ignore the daily rockets? Meanwhile they ship hundreds of trucks of humanitarian aid to Gaza, met with more rockets, and the lib media that you adore and are a drone to, failed to mention ANY of this?

Come on, give me something to chew on...

Everybody hates Israel. I head they have skunk trucks that also go through their neighborhoods, and those trucks are are full of imported supplies. Hey if you were Iran and Israel has been bad mouthing your for decades I imagine you'd be pissed as well. I can't barely read the news , without Israel saying something about Iran. Israel needs to leave Iran alone . Iran is none of their business.

Well I know of at least 40 million people that don't hate Israel, so were do you get your information from.

You know 40 million people, I doubt it.

 

[Daniyel]

No Nazi blood at all, German blood? Maybe,however not in 95% of the Jews today including me.
I didn't use ANY biblical term to come up with the statements here at all, it was you starting this all up, and for your information the bible promised Israel to Jacob aka Israel, Abraham's grandson, I made it clear Abraham was not a Jew but you simply say 'Yes that's right and I read Abraham was the first Jews' - lack of reading comprehension again?

Good we did make progress, Nazism was an ideology. German is a race(probably mixed as well) but not all Germans were Nazi's. No, chances are there are more Polish, Russian, and Spanish / Jews, than German/ Jews. We also know that your a purebred.

No dummy, There is no Nazism in our blood at all, which is what you said earlier, and in your case there is no such thing as progress yet I find myself repeating ever single fact over and over again, but its not for you so don't be flattered, its for the sake of others, during the Holocaust there was no Jews left in Germany, those with some far relative were also sent to extermination camps, or luckily fled Germany elsewhere, take a look on the 1933 demographics, marring Jews were forbidden by the Nazis so no chance Jews can have any sort of Nazism in the bloodline, German maybe, but they are no longer considered themselves as Jews and in some case not considered Jews by Judaism, so they are no Jews anymore.

Your "feeling" that there are more German Jews is incorrect again, for 12th times in row!.

Maybe you should go back to pre 1933 , you know before JUDEA declared war on Germany. The 1% pop of the Jews were doing fine in Germany, until you tried to control. . Nazism is the same as Zionism, an ideology, but as you will note with Einstein's mother she describes her nationality as German, but her Ethnicity as Jewish, which would make Einstein a German brought up with Jewish traditions. The only true Jews are ones born in Judea. Is that where your bloodline comes from, or are you trying to say Israelites are a nationality? We never see Israelites as a nationality or is that what Israel is trying to start. They were not extermination camps but concentration camps, where most of the people in them were worked to impeding death, or died of starvation or disease. Google typhus.

Nope, you are living in a different dimension.

 

[Penelope]

No Nazi blood at all, German blood? Maybe,however not in 95% of the Jews today including me.
I didn't use ANY biblical term to come up with the statements here at all, it was you starting this all up, and for your information the bible promised Israel to Jacob aka Israel, Abraham's grandson, I made it clear Abraham was not a Jew but you simply say 'Yes that's right and I read Abraham was the first Jews' - lack of reading comprehension again?

Good we did make progress, Nazism was an ideology. German is a race(probably mixed as well) but not all Germans were Nazi's. No, chances are there are more Polish, Russian, and Spanish / Jews, than German/ Jews. We also know that your a purebred.

No dummy, There is no Nazism in our blood at all, which is what you said earlier, and in your case there is no such thing as progress yet I find myself repeating ever single fact over and over again, but its not for you so don't be flattered, its for the sake of others, during the Holocaust there was no Jews left in Germany, those with some far relative were also sent to extermination camps, or luckily fled Germany elsewhere, take a look on the 1933 demographics, marring Jews were forbidden by the Nazis so no chance Jews can have any sort of Nazism in the bloodline, German maybe, but they are no longer considered themselves as Jews and in some case not considered Jews by Judaism, so they are no Jews anymore.

Your "feeling" that there are more German Jews is incorrect again, for 12th times in row!.

Maybe you should go back to pre 1933 , you know before JUDEA declared war on Germany. The 1% pop of the Jews were doing fine in Germany, until you tried to control. . Nazism is the same as Zionism, an ideology, but as you will note with Einstein's mother she describes her nationality as German, but her Ethnicity as Jewish, which would make Einstein a German brought up with Jewish traditions. The only true Jews are ones born in Judea. Is that where your bloodline comes from, or are you trying to say Israelites are a nationality? We never see Israelites as a nationality or is that what Israel is trying to start. They were not extermination camps but concentration camps, where most of the people in them were worked to impeding death, or died of starvation or disease. Google typhus.

Nope, you are living in a different dimension.

I think your in denial. Or you were probably brainwashed in school like I was.

 

[Daniyel]

No Nazi blood at all, German blood? Maybe,however not in 95% of the Jews today including me.
I didn't use ANY biblical term to come up with the statements here at all, it was you starting this all up, and for your information the bible promised Israel to Jacob aka Israel, Abraham's grandson, I made it clear Abraham was not a Jew but you simply say 'Yes that's right and I read Abraham was the first Jews' - lack of reading comprehension again?

Good we did make progress, Nazism was an ideology. German is a race(probably mixed as well) but not all Germans were Nazi's. No, chances are there are more Polish, Russian, and Spanish / Jews, than German/ Jews. We also know that your a purebred.

No dummy, There is no Nazism in our blood at all, which is what you said earlier, and in your case there is no such thing as progress yet I find myself repeating ever single fact over and over again, but its not for you so don't be flattered, its for the sake of others, during the Holocaust there was no Jews left in Germany, those with some far relative were also sent to extermination camps, or luckily fled Germany elsewhere, take a look on the 1933 demographics, marring Jews were forbidden by the Nazis so no chance Jews can have any sort of Nazism in the bloodline, German maybe, but they are no longer considered themselves as Jews and in some case not considered Jews by Judaism, so they are no Jews anymore.

Your "feeling" that there are more German Jews is incorrect again, for 12th times in row!.

Maybe you should go back to pre 1933 , you know before JUDEA declared war on Germany. The 1% pop of the Jews were doing fine in Germany, until you tried to control. . Nazism is the same as Zionism, an ideology, but as you will note with Einstein's mother she describes her nationality as German, but her Ethnicity as Jewish, which would make Einstein a German brought up with Jewish traditions. The only true Jews are ones born in Judea. Is that where your bloodline comes from, or are you trying to say Israelites are a nationality? We never see Israelites as a nationality or is that what Israel is trying to start. They were not extermination camps but concentration camps, where most of the people in them were worked to impeding death, or died of starvation or disease. Google typhus.

Nope, you are living in a different dimension.

I think your in denial. Or you were probably brainwashed in school like I was.

Of course I am, are You really expecting me to take the word of a hypocrite, ignorant, stubborn, selfish, Nazi and violence supporter just because she "FEEL" so? so I say - NO MAM!

 

[montelatici]

The heirs to the Nazis are Zionists like you. The Palestinians are your Jews, as Primo Levi said.

 

[Indeependent]

Penelope...
Bible expert.
Unfortunatley, it's a rare Bible that only Penelope seems to possess.

 

[Indeependent]

The heirs to the Nazis are Zionists like you. The Palestinians are your Jews, as Primo Levi said.

Yeah, those damn Jews were always blowing up buses in Germany.
Have I told you lately you're an Idiot?

 

[Penelope]

No Nazi blood at all, German blood? Maybe,however not in 95% of the Jews today including me.
I didn't use ANY biblical term to come up with the statements here at all, it was you starting this all up, and for your information the bible promised Israel to Jacob aka Israel, Abraham's grandson, I made it clear Abraham was not a Jew but you simply say 'Yes that's right and I read Abraham was the first Jews' - lack of reading comprehension again?

Good we did make progress, Nazism was an ideology. German is a race(probably mixed as well) but not all Germans were Nazi's. No, chances are there are more Polish, Russian, and Spanish / Jews, than German/ Jews. We also know that your a purebred.

No dummy, There is no Nazism in our blood at all, which is what you said earlier, and in your case there is no such thing as progress yet I find myself repeating ever single fact over and over again, but its not for you so don't be flattered, its for the sake of others, during the Holocaust there was no Jews left in Germany, those with some far relative were also sent to extermination camps, or luckily fled Germany elsewhere, take a look on the 1933 demographics, marring Jews were forbidden by the Nazis so no chance Jews can have any sort of Nazism in the bloodline, German maybe, but they are no longer considered themselves as Jews and in some case not considered Jews by Judaism, so they are no Jews anymore.

Your "feeling" that there are more German Jews is incorrect again, for 12th times in row!.

Maybe you should go back to pre 1933 , you know before JUDEA declared war on Germany. The 1% pop of the Jews were doing fine in Germany, until you tried to control. . Nazism is the same as Zionism, an ideology, but as you will note with Einstein's mother she describes her nationality as German, but her Ethnicity as Jewish, which would make Einstein a German brought up with Jewish traditions. The only true Jews are ones born in Judea. Is that where your bloodline comes from, or are you trying to say Israelites are a nationality? We never see Israelites as a nationality or is that what Israel is trying to start. They were not extermination camps but concentration camps, where most of the people in them were worked to impeding death, or died of starvation or disease. Google typhus.

Nope, you are living in a different dimension.

I think your in denial. Or you were probably brainwashed in school like I was.

Of course I am, are You really expecting me to take the word of a hypocrite, ignorant, stubborn, selfish, Nazi and violence supporter just because she "FEEL" so? so I say - NO MAM!

So you admit your in denial. Ok I'll agree.

 

[montelatici]

It is the same bible, it's just that the Ziofascists ignore the inconvenient parts.

 

[Daniyel]

Penelope...
Bible expert.
Unfortunatley, it's a rare Bible that only Penelope seems to possess.

PROPHET PENELOPE!

 

[montelatici]

The heirs to the Nazis are Zionists like you. The Palestinians are your Jews, as Primo Levi said.

Yeah, those damn Jews were always blowing up buses in Germany.
Have I told you lately you're an Idiot?

Take it up with with the author Primo Levi, a Jew and a Holocaust survivor. You wouldn't call me an idiot to my face, trust me punk.

 

[Indeependent]

It is the same bible, it's just that the Ziofascists ignore the inconvenient parts.

Go ahead and challenge me.
If you quote a verse, start three verses before finish three verses later so we have the context.

I hope most ex-marines are not as stupid and gullible as you are.

 

[Daniyel]

It is the same bible, it's just that the Ziofascists ignore the inconvenient parts.

All these "inconvenient parts" are those Team Pally usually post goes by "OLD TESTAMENT BIBLE TORAH BAD THINGS ON THE JEWS HUMAN SACRIFICE BEHEADING RAPE MURDER" and this is probably how your life looks like "WHERE IS MY KEYS I LOST THEM, WHERE IS MY PHONE I LOST IT, WHERE IS MY PROBLEMS IN LIFE - ISRAEL!"

 

[Indeependent]

The heirs to the Nazis are Zionists like you. The Palestinians are your Jews, as Primo Levi said.

Yeah, those damn Jews were always blowing up buses in Germany.
Have I told you lately you're an Idiot?

Take it up with with the author Primo Levi, a Jew and a Holocaust survivor. You wouldn't call me an idiot to my face, trust me punk.

Notice how a Jew hater always resorts to all they have after losing based on their lack of logic.
I took Karate and Tai Chi for 20 years and I'm bullt like a rock.
Which basically means I'm in incredible shape AND I know how to fight.
So you're incorrect, Jew hater.

Now back to your revisionist history.

 

[Daniyel]

No Nazi blood at all, German blood? Maybe,however not in 95% of the Jews today including me.
I didn't use ANY biblical term to come up with the statements here at all, it was you starting this all up, and for your information the bible promised Israel to Jacob aka Israel, Abraham's grandson, I made it clear Abraham was not a Jew but you simply say 'Yes that's right and I read Abraham was the first Jews' - lack of reading comprehension again?

Good we did make progress, Nazism was an ideology. German is a race(probably mixed as well) but not all Germans were Nazi's. No, chances are there are more Polish, Russian, and Spanish / Jews, than German/ Jews. We also know that your a purebred.

No dummy, There is no Nazism in our blood at all, which is what you said earlier, and in your case there is no such thing as progress yet I find myself repeating ever single fact over and over again, but its not for you so don't be flattered, its for the sake of others, during the Holocaust there was no Jews left in Germany, those with some far relative were also sent to extermination camps, or luckily fled Germany elsewhere, take a look on the 1933 demographics, marring Jews were forbidden by the Nazis so no chance Jews can have any sort of Nazism in the bloodline, German maybe, but they are no longer considered themselves as Jews and in some case not considered Jews by Judaism, so they are no Jews anymore.

Your "feeling" that there are more German Jews is incorrect again, for 12th times in row!.

Maybe you should go back to pre 1933 , you know before JUDEA declared war on Germany. The 1% pop of the Jews were doing fine in Germany, until you tried to control. . Nazism is the same as Zionism, an ideology, but as you will note with Einstein's mother she describes her nationality as German, but her Ethnicity as Jewish, which would make Einstein a German brought up with Jewish traditions. The only true Jews are ones born in Judea. Is that where your bloodline comes from, or are you trying to say Israelites are a nationality? We never see Israelites as a nationality or is that what Israel is trying to start. They were not extermination camps but concentration camps, where most of the people in them were worked to impeding death, or died of starvation or disease. Google typhus.

Nope, you are living in a different dimension.

I think your in denial. Or you were probably brainwashed in school like I was.

Of course I am, are You really expecting me to take the word of a hypocrite, ignorant, stubborn, selfish, Nazi and violence supporter just because she "FEEL" so? so I say - NO MAM!

So you admit your in denial. Ok I'll agree.

Better over being an "enlightened" ex-brainwashed, hypocrite, ignorant, stubborn, selfish, Nazi and violence supporter..plus unlike you Penelope I don't play last resort with word games, since you see nothing wrong it, there are two possible options.
1.You really are childish, "enlightened" ex-brainwashed, hypocrite, ignorant, stubborn, selfish, Nazi and violence supporter - which is why you are so proud about it - evil.
2.You are in denial - most likely why you bothered to mention that, too afraid to be what you are.

Both ain't a pleasant alternatives anyways, so maa'salam dummy!

 

[Penelope]

Iran...the Good Guys!

What is Iran doing???