Is Israel bad for the Jews?

[Phoenall]

Zionism is clearly recognised as the most destructive political movement for Jews, ever.

Greater than Nero.
Greater than Hitler.
Worse even, than Catholicism.

Non-Zionist Jews are utterly ashamed to be associated with the place, but they are forced into this by the Zionist agenda to always throw Jews in front of any criticism, as human shields.

It is hard to believe that there are people in the world as stupid as Daniyel presents himself on such issues.
He is either entirely non self-aware, or is not genuine.

Take your pick.

Yet those same non Zionist Jews live in Israel as free loaders and are the first to demand protection when any trouble starts. Typical left wing idiots

 

[Youch]

A better tone.

Post evidence of any imperialism on the part of Israel. You cannot. All you will find in the facts is capitulation on the part of the tiny state, met with more and more rockets and demands and intolerance. And after years of rockets, an Israeli offensive to destroy the tunnels, despite the haters hiding behind kids and within schools and hospitals. It's the western world defending itself from 7th century mobs.

Why is this so hard to see?

I gotta get some sleep, but I'd be happy to post links for you....and others....but I'm afraid the emotions, hatred, ignorance and apathy will prevent any breakthrough in understanding.

You've maintained an illegal occupation for the last 47 years. Is that imperial enough for you? You've also started the last 6 wars you've been in. Is that imperial enough for you? You run around the ME acting like your shit don't stink. Is that imperial enough for you?

How about this...................**** ISRAEL!

Exactly right!!! The position against Israel is entirely about hatred and intolerance and ignorance and emotion. You just proved my case in spades. Thank you!

47 years? You don't even know what that means.....

By the way....just a hint.....you are now referring to me in that "I've maintained" and that "I've started" blah blah.... Dude, I'm not Jewish, and I'm not a resident of Israel. I'm not even religious. The fact that you've assumed so, or targeted me as such, only underlines my now-proven contention that you are a bigot ruled by hatred.

I've started the last 6 wars? Do you even know how dumb that is?

I think I'm done wrestling with a pig (doubt you even know that reference).

Onward and Upward,
Y

 

[Daniyel]

A better tone.

Post evidence of any imperialism on the part of Israel. You cannot. All you will find in the facts is capitulation on the part of the tiny state, met with more and more rockets and demands and intolerance. And after years of rockets, an Israeli offensive to destroy the tunnels, despite the haters hiding behind kids and within schools and hospitals. It's the western world defending itself from 7th century mobs.

Why is this so hard to see?

I gotta get some sleep, but I'd be happy to post links for you....and others....but I'm afraid the emotions, hatred, ignorance and apathy will prevent any breakthrough in understanding.

You've maintained an illegal occupation for the last 47 years. Is that imperial enough for you? You've also started the last 6 wars you've been in. Is that imperial enough for you? You run around the ME acting like your shit don't stink. Is that imperial enough for you?

How about this...................**** ISRAEL!

Exactly right!!! The position against Israel is entirely about hatred and intolerance and ignorance and emotion. You just proved my case in spades. Thank you!

47 years? You don't even know what that means.....

By the way....just a hint.....you are now referring to me in that "I've maintained" and that "I've started" blah blah.... Dude, I'm not Jewish, and I'm not a resident of Israel. I'm not even religious. The fact that you've assumed so, or targeted me as such, only underlines my now-proven contention that you are a bigot ruled by hatred.

I've started the last 6 wars? Do you even know how dumb that is?

I think I'm done wrestling with a pig (doubt you even know that reference).

Onward and Upward,
Y

Well said, let me shed some light on your debate with Billo, he doesn't care about the Palestinians, he does care about the Palestinian leadership [Terrorists] and the interest is obvious to all, he just want to continue this conflict because he is only interested to see some Jews (ISRAELIS) DIE.
So don't bother talking to him rationally, this thing is aggressive and hypocritical, no matter what you'll say he will simply repeat it in the next post just to wage the chaos against Israel, you cannot argue with insane person by talking sane and reason.

 

[Youch]

So what would you have the Jewish people do?

Act like human beings. That seems to be out of the question. Oh I don't see any Arab state attacking Israel so lets put that to rest, and if one does they have proved rather well they can take care of themselves.

None is so blind as those who will not see.

No Arab state? You just proved yourself too maleducated to understand. It is not "Arab state" it is Muslim states. Do you know the diff??? And you must not be aware (of course) of Hezbollah, the Hamas-holes, the Iranian public decrees, Syrian puppets, or the general Caliphate.

Defending themselves isn't acting like human beings?? What a dolt. Learn something and get back to me...

Give it a rest. Of course I know what it means, as most Arabs are Muslims, but even Hebrews are Arabs.

Yes well Iran is not doing anything are they , Israel has nukes, why shouldn't Iran, its none of Israel's business. Syria isn't either. They voted Assad in and so that is who they have, its time our US People distance themselves from Israel, Also we need that money we send them. We need to get rid of the AIPAC lobby, and Zionist in our government.

So full of hate.

No, I will not rest, I enjoy debating intolerant libs. Bring it! I will respond when I have time....

No, your original use of the term Arab was incorrect. But nice try.

You say Iran isn't doing anything? You are obvious ill-informed as to what is happening in Syria (Hezbollah being an Iranian puppet), or who is backing ISIS, or who is putting their money and arms where their mouth has been? Nay, you don't know what I'm talking about.

You say Syria and Iran is not Israel's business? How dumb. That is like saying, only watered down, that Mexico isn't the U.S.'s business. Syria HATES Israel. The Palestines HATE Israel. Iran, the puppet master, has vowed publically to "whip them off the map." And Israel should ignore all that, should ignore the daily rockets? Meanwhile they ship hundreds of trucks of humanitarian aid to Gaza, met with more rockets, and the lib media that you adore and are a drone to, failed to mention ANY of this?

Come on, give me something to chew on...

 

[BillyP]

Zionism is clearly recognised as the most destructive political movement for Jews, ever.

Greater than Nero.
Greater than Hitler.
Worse even, than Catholicism.

Non-Zionist Jews are utterly ashamed to be associated with the place, but they are forced into this by the Zionist agenda to always throw Jews in front of any criticism, as human shields.

It is hard to believe that there are people in the world as stupid as Daniyel presents himself on such issues.
He is either entirely non self-aware, or is not genuine.

Take your pick.

Yet those same non Zionist Jews live in Israel as free loaders and are the first to demand protection when any trouble starts. Typical left wing idiots

Zionism isn't anywhere near as bad as Islam is for arabs. It's not even close.

 

[Youch]

Israel is bot only great for the Jews (Israelis*) but also for the Palestinians compared to anywhere in the region which in fact explains WHY nobody wants to leave and everybody wants to be here.

What about Holocaust survivors complaining about Israel acting like Nazis?

They're libs. I've already explained that to you (or someone). Look at the voting blocks in the US. Shameful. I don't remember if you were the one who claimed to not be interested in research....

 

[Beelzebub]

Zionism is clearly recognised as the most destructive political movement for Jews, ever.

Greater than Nero.
Greater than Hitler.
Worse even, than Catholicism.

Non-Zionist Jews are utterly ashamed to be associated with the place, but they are forced into this by the Zionist agenda to always throw Jews in front of any criticism, as human shields.

It is hard to believe that there are people in the world as stupid as Daniyel presents himself on such issues.
He is either entirely non self-aware, or is not genuine.

Take your pick.

Yet those same non Zionist Jews live in Israel as free loaders and are the first to demand protection when any trouble starts. Typical left wing idiots

Zionism isn't anywhere near as bad as Islam is for arabs. It's not even close.

Israel and its poodle The USA are what has blocked Arabia from any sort of normal development, causing coups, and supporting military dictatorships which would have folded long ago, without their support. Britain and France did similar of course, allied to Israel and the US.

To date, no US led war there has been to help install stability, just to install friendly regimes. That hasn't worked out, and the Arabs are sort of fed up with malicious intervention from outside.

So no, Israel is bad for Palestinians. Bad for Arabs. Bad for America. Bad for Judaism. And bad for the world.

 

[Indeependent]

Jews are by definition racist. Zionism is an international form of the racism. If racism is good, why do zionists deny zionism is exactly like nazism?

Jews are NOT by definition racist. Jews are people, and have all sorts of opinions, as you would expect of a religion and culture of tens of millions.

ZIONISM is a freaky and very new political movement, which is 99.9% (or something close) racist, which Jews choose to support, and Jews choose to oppose.

There are more Christian Zionists than there are Jewish ones.

Zionism purposely tries to steal Judaism to hide behind. Don't fall for that trick. When people choose to do bad stuff, they will find all sorts of excuses why it "wasn't really them" but "they were doing it for a special reason" like religion.

Its not true. Bad stuff is usually done because it is profitable, or makes the evil-doer feel important.

Which simply illustrates the fact that you know nothing about Judaism.
I don't expect you to know anything about Judaism because, since the Enlightenment movement, most Jews don't know much about Judaism.

 

[Youch]

Israel and its poodle The USA are what has blocked Arabia from any sort of normal development, causing coups, and supporting military dictatorships which would have folded long ago, without their support. Britain and France did similar of course, allied to Israel and the US.

To date, no US led war there has been to help install stability, just to install friendly regimes. That hasn't worked out, and the Arabs are sort of fed up with malicious intervention from outside.

So no, Israel is bad for Palestinians. Bad for Arabs. Bad for America. Bad for Judaism. And bad for the world.

Sure, same can be said for the Christians, right? Bad, bad, bad.....

You know not of this "normal development." The entire region is a two commodity participant of the global economy. Well, perhaps three, if you add terrorism. Oil and dates. Yum!! If you knew ANYTHING about the region, you'd know it is the westernized-leaning UAE that has economically done the best from a diversification standpoint. Those that remain in the 7th Century, those that are driven by the hatred of the fundamentalist orthodoxy, those are not "blocked" by the US (how stupid) but instead by their ownh cultural, religious and more importantly, regional shortcoming.

Odd, how the anti-fossil fuel libs support the oil-rich haters, while despising the it's use here in the far more tolerant West. Liberal logic is so illogical.

Another moronic thing you mentioned...."no US led war has been to help install stability??" Of course, aside from humanitarian concerns, what other national interest would we have there other than economic stability? That Obama let that slip away in Iraq is another point altogether!

 

[Phoenall]

Jews are by definition racist. Zionism is an international form of the racism. If racism is good, why do zionists deny zionism is exactly like nazism?

Why do you claim it is and then fail to produce the evidence to support your claim ?

 

[Phoenall]

Since the poll is % of respondents* whether a country's influence on the world is [Israel on the world] is mainly negative, in other words you can say that those surveyed in Israel think that the influence from Israel outside is mainly negative, does it mean Israel is bad for the Jews?

Hell yes! Is what North Korea does, bad for North Koreans? Is what Iran does, bad for Iranian's? Of coarse it's bad for the Jews. That's why Israel is losing Jewish support around the world. Jews don't want to be associated with a pariah state, such as Israel.

does it mean ANY Jews were actually surveyed? nope.

It doesn't mean they weren't.

Its another crap posted from The Economist, probably the bored people reading their magazine on flights.

Since you don't have a valid argument, you choose to kill the messenger. Smear the source. Unfortunately for you, ad hominems are not valid rebuttals.

Lame Billo, you can keep wiggling your ass to the voice of anti-Semites all day long and try to reach your ridiculous claims out of everything irrelevant, I've seen your posts for quite a while, you made ZERO points, at all, stench of hatred is the best you can do anyway.

And there's another popular response from you people, calling anyone who criticizes Israel as anti-Semitic. The problem is, you've played that card so much, it's just empty rhetoric now.

It's (criticism of Israel) just going to get worse. Young people today don't have the same blind loyalty their parents had towards Israel and are seeing things from a more evenhanded perspective. Support for Israel is in its decline and your country will get its ass whipped if it doesn't change its ways. If not militarily, certainly economically.

Racist abuse and immature childish name calling is not criticism is it, it is racist abuse and immature childish name calling. So by extension is also anti Semitism. So when you call Jews and Israelis murderers it is ANTI SEMITISM, when you alter the P.M's name it is immature childish ANTI SEMITISM.

 

[Phoenall]

Jews are by definition racist. Zionism is an international form of the racism. If racism is good, why do zionists deny zionism is exactly like nazism?

Jews are NOT by definition racist. Jews are people, and have all sorts of opinions, as you would expect of a religion and culture of tens of millions.

ZIONISM is a freaky and very new political movement, which is 99.9% (or something close) racist, which Jews choose to support, and Jews choose to oppose.

There are more Christian Zionists than there are Jewish ones.

Zionism purposely tries to steal Judaism to hide behind. Don't fall for that trick. When people choose to do bad stuff, they will find all sorts of excuses why it "wasn't really them" but "they were doing it for a special reason" like religion.

Its not true. Bad stuff is usually done because it is profitable, or makes the evil-doer feel important.

How about some evidence of Zionism being racist from a non partisan source then ?

 

[Penelope]

If you are over 50 and were raised in a Jewish household, you either heard the question — “but is it good for the Jews?” — explicitly asked numerous times or were subtly encouraged to think the question to yourself.

It reflects a group-centered concern born of the memory of anti-Semitic hostility and a seemingly unending vulnerability, and it can apply to almost any public action: federal or local legislation, cultural trends, foreign policy decisions, etc.

After WWII, most Jews assumed Zionism and the state of Israel were good for the Jews. But 6 decades later, we now have a mountain of evidence to answer that question more comprehensively.

According to Jewish scholars,

“the slaughter of Palestinian civilians and the Dresden-like reduction to rubble of large parts of Gaza by Israel’s military forces in the name of its own citizens’ security has exposed the hypocrisy that lies at the heart of Israel’s dealings with the Palestinians. Israel’s claim to the right of self-defense in order to prevent its victims’ emergence from under its occupation is the ultimate expression of chutzpa.”
- Henry Siegman, president of the U.S./Middle East Project and former national director of the American Jewish Congress.

“too many Israelis seem to believe - indeed, to take absolutely for granted - that they have the God-given right to occupy, suppress, disenfranchise and displace non-Jews … in Israel.”
- Siegman again

That last one reminds me of a few Israeli members at this particular website.

A couple more comments, then a final thought on Monday's show...

“We are alarmed by the extreme, racist dehumanization of Palestinians in Israeli society. … In Israel, politicians and pundits in The Times of Israel and The Jerusalem Post have called openly for genocide of Palestinians and right-wing Israelis are adopting Neo-Nazi insignia.”
- Holocaust survivors and children of survivors [in] a notice in the New York Times

“This now is Israel, a country … where imposing collective punishment of innocents is the main point, whose elected officials pine openly for concentration camps and genocide. … Hyper-nationalistic, loaded with nuclear weapons, deeply racist, persuaded that opposition to it is derived from anti-Semitism, feeling that the Holocaust gives it license to do whatever it wants and that the normal rules of international conduct will never apply to it.”
- Scott McConnell, the founding editor of the American Conservative

Here's a final thought, during Rabin's time, anti-Semitism was down, during Netanfuckyou's time, anti-Semitism is up. Conclusion: Israeli policies foment Jewish hatred.

Therefore, the single biggest threat to Jews on planet earth, is Zionism.

The single biggest threat to the Jews today is idiotic NAZI ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATERS like you

HI, as I was just explaining to Daniyel, many Jews are probably part German (German Genes), so that is rather a strange thing to say when you think about it.

 

[Penelope]

Jews are by definition racist. Zionism is an international form of the racism. If racism is good, why do zionists deny zionism is exactly like nazism?

Jews are NOT by definition racist. Jews are people, and have all sorts of opinions, as you would expect of a religion and culture of tens of millions.

ZIONISM is a freaky and very new political movement, which is 99.9% (or something close) racist, which Jews choose to support, and Jews choose to oppose.

There are more Christian Zionists than there are Jewish ones.

Zionism purposely tries to steal Judaism to hide behind. Don't fall for that trick. When people choose to do bad stuff, they will find all sorts of excuses why it "wasn't really them" but "they were doing it for a special reason" like religion.

Its not true. Bad stuff is usually done because it is profitable, or makes the evil-doer feel important.

How about some evidence of Zionism being racist from a non partisan source then ?

That's rather obvious , isn't it. Jews say of themselves, "We are the chosen people " is that non bias enough for you.

 

[Indeependent]

Ashkenazim are mostly Polish and Russian as Germany was never thrilled about allowing in too many Jews.

 

[Daniyel]

If you are over 50 and were raised in a Jewish household, you either heard the question — “but is it good for the Jews?” — explicitly asked numerous times or were subtly encouraged to think the question to yourself.

It reflects a group-centered concern born of the memory of anti-Semitic hostility and a seemingly unending vulnerability, and it can apply to almost any public action: federal or local legislation, cultural trends, foreign policy decisions, etc.

After WWII, most Jews assumed Zionism and the state of Israel were good for the Jews. But 6 decades later, we now have a mountain of evidence to answer that question more comprehensively.

According to Jewish scholars,

“the slaughter of Palestinian civilians and the Dresden-like reduction to rubble of large parts of Gaza by Israel’s military forces in the name of its own citizens’ security has exposed the hypocrisy that lies at the heart of Israel’s dealings with the Palestinians. Israel’s claim to the right of self-defense in order to prevent its victims’ emergence from under its occupation is the ultimate expression of chutzpa.”
- Henry Siegman, president of the U.S./Middle East Project and former national director of the American Jewish Congress.

“too many Israelis seem to believe - indeed, to take absolutely for granted - that they have the God-given right to occupy, suppress, disenfranchise and displace non-Jews … in Israel.”
- Siegman again

That last one reminds me of a few Israeli members at this particular website.

A couple more comments, then a final thought on Monday's show...

“We are alarmed by the extreme, racist dehumanization of Palestinians in Israeli society. … In Israel, politicians and pundits in The Times of Israel and The Jerusalem Post have called openly for genocide of Palestinians and right-wing Israelis are adopting Neo-Nazi insignia.”
- Holocaust survivors and children of survivors [in] a notice in the New York Times

“This now is Israel, a country … where imposing collective punishment of innocents is the main point, whose elected officials pine openly for concentration camps and genocide. … Hyper-nationalistic, loaded with nuclear weapons, deeply racist, persuaded that opposition to it is derived from anti-Semitism, feeling that the Holocaust gives it license to do whatever it wants and that the normal rules of international conduct will never apply to it.”
- Scott McConnell, the founding editor of the American Conservative

Here's a final thought, during Rabin's time, anti-Semitism was down, during Netanfuckyou's time, anti-Semitism is up. Conclusion: Israeli policies foment Jewish hatred.

Therefore, the single biggest threat to Jews on planet earth, is Zionism.

The single biggest threat to the Jews today is idiotic NAZI ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATERS like you

HI, as I was just explaining to Daniyel, many Jews are probably part German (German Genes), so that is rather a strange thing to say when you think about it.

Wrong, you were just "TRYING" to force your laughable theory, and proved to all how stupid your claim is.
Have a wonderful day and thank you hating!

 

[Penelope]

So what would you have the Jewish people do?

Act like human beings. That seems to be out of the question. Oh I don't see any Arab state attacking Israel so lets put that to rest, and if one does they have proved rather well they can take care of themselves.

None is so blind as those who will not see.

No Arab state? You just proved yourself too maleducated to understand. It is not "Arab state" it is Muslim states. Do you know the diff??? And you must not be aware (of course) of Hezbollah, the Hamas-holes, the Iranian public decrees, Syrian puppets, or the general Caliphate.

Defending themselves isn't acting like human beings?? What a dolt. Learn something and get back to me...

Give it a rest. Of course I know what it means, as most Arabs are Muslims, but even Hebrews are Arabs.

Yes well Iran is not doing anything are they , Israel has nukes, why shouldn't Iran, its none of Israel's business. Syria isn't either. They voted Assad in and so that is who they have, its time our US People distance themselves from Israel, Also we need that money we send them. We need to get rid of the AIPAC lobby, and Zionist in our government.

So full of hate.

No, I will not rest, I enjoy debating intolerant libs. Bring it! I will respond when I have time....

No, your original use of the term Arab was incorrect. But nice try.

You say Iran isn't doing anything? You are obvious ill-informed as to what is happening in Syria (Hezbollah being an Iranian puppet), or who is backing ISIS, or who is putting their money and arms where their mouth has been? Nay, you don't know what I'm talking about.

You say Syria and Iran is not Israel's business? How dumb. That is like saying, only watered down, that Mexico isn't the U.S.'s business. Syria HATES Israel. The Palestines HATE Israel. Iran, the puppet master, has vowed publically to "whip them off the map." And Israel should ignore all that, should ignore the daily rockets? Meanwhile they ship hundreds of trucks of humanitarian aid to Gaza, met with more rockets, and the lib media that you adore and are a drone to, failed to mention ANY of this?

Come on, give me something to chew on...

Everybody hates Israel. I head they have skunk trucks that also go through their neighborhoods, and those trucks are are full of imported supplies. Hey if you were Iran and Israel has been bad mouthing your for decades I imagine you'd be pissed as well. I can't barely read the news , without Israel saying something about Iran. Israel needs to leave Iran alone . Iran is none of their business.

 

[Indeependent]

Iran...the Good Guys!

 

[Penelope]

If you are over 50 and were raised in a Jewish household, you either heard the question — “but is it good for the Jews?” — explicitly asked numerous times or were subtly encouraged to think the question to yourself.

It reflects a group-centered concern born of the memory of anti-Semitic hostility and a seemingly unending vulnerability, and it can apply to almost any public action: federal or local legislation, cultural trends, foreign policy decisions, etc.

After WWII, most Jews assumed Zionism and the state of Israel were good for the Jews. But 6 decades later, we now have a mountain of evidence to answer that question more comprehensively.

According to Jewish scholars,

“the slaughter of Palestinian civilians and the Dresden-like reduction to rubble of large parts of Gaza by Israel’s military forces in the name of its own citizens’ security has exposed the hypocrisy that lies at the heart of Israel’s dealings with the Palestinians. Israel’s claim to the right of self-defense in order to prevent its victims’ emergence from under its occupation is the ultimate expression of chutzpa.”
- Henry Siegman, president of the U.S./Middle East Project and former national director of the American Jewish Congress.

“too many Israelis seem to believe - indeed, to take absolutely for granted - that they have the God-given right to occupy, suppress, disenfranchise and displace non-Jews … in Israel.”
- Siegman again

That last one reminds me of a few Israeli members at this particular website.

A couple more comments, then a final thought on Monday's show...

“We are alarmed by the extreme, racist dehumanization of Palestinians in Israeli society. … In Israel, politicians and pundits in The Times of Israel and The Jerusalem Post have called openly for genocide of Palestinians and right-wing Israelis are adopting Neo-Nazi insignia.”
- Holocaust survivors and children of survivors [in] a notice in the New York Times

“This now is Israel, a country … where imposing collective punishment of innocents is the main point, whose elected officials pine openly for concentration camps and genocide. … Hyper-nationalistic, loaded with nuclear weapons, deeply racist, persuaded that opposition to it is derived from anti-Semitism, feeling that the Holocaust gives it license to do whatever it wants and that the normal rules of international conduct will never apply to it.”
- Scott McConnell, the founding editor of the American Conservative

Here's a final thought, during Rabin's time, anti-Semitism was down, during Netanfuckyou's time, anti-Semitism is up. Conclusion: Israeli policies foment Jewish hatred.

Therefore, the single biggest threat to Jews on planet earth, is Zionism.

The single biggest threat to the Jews today is idiotic NAZI ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATERS like you

HI, as I was just explaining to Daniyel, many Jews are probably part German (German Genes), so that is rather a strange thing to say when you think about it.

Wrong, you were just "TRYING" to force your laughable theory, and proved to all how stupid your claim is.
Have a wonderful day and thank you hating!

That should not bother you Daniyel that many of you are part German, Russian, French, Arab, Spanish. Why do you find that upsetting? God made his promise to Abraham, and Sara and Abraham had different mothers, so now were suppose to think Sarah was the real Jew, and Abraham was not. Two different mothers, its your book.

 

[Beelzebub]

Iran: the survivors of the Shah of Iran, who was put on the throne following the 1953 UK & US led coup against the voted in government, in Operation Ajax.