Is Israel bad for the Jews?

[Youch]

If you are over 50 and were raised in a Jewish household, you either heard the question — “but is it good for the Jews?” — explicitly asked numerous times or were subtly encouraged to think the question to yourself.

It reflects a group-centered concern born of the memory of anti-Semitic hostility and a seemingly unending vulnerability, and it can apply to almost any public action: federal or local legislation, cultural trends, foreign policy decisions, etc.

After WWII, most Jews assumed Zionism and the state of Israel were good for the Jews. But 6 decades later, we now have a mountain of evidence to answer that question more comprehensively.

According to Jewish scholars,

“the slaughter of Palestinian civilians and the Dresden-like reduction to rubble of large parts of Gaza by Israel’s military forces in the name of its own citizens’ security has exposed the hypocrisy that lies at the heart of Israel’s dealings with the Palestinians. Israel’s claim to the right of self-defense in order to prevent its victims’ emergence from under its occupation is the ultimate expression of chutzpa.”
- Henry Siegman, president of the U.S./Middle East Project and former national director of the American Jewish Congress.

“too many Israelis seem to believe - indeed, to take absolutely for granted - that they have the God-given right to occupy, suppress, disenfranchise and displace non-Jews … in Israel.”
- Siegman again

That last one reminds me of a few Israeli members at this particular website.

A couple more comments, then a final thought on Monday's show...

“We are alarmed by the extreme, racist dehumanization of Palestinians in Israeli society. … In Israel, politicians and pundits in The Times of Israel and The Jerusalem Post have called openly for genocide of Palestinians and right-wing Israelis are adopting Neo-Nazi insignia.”
- Holocaust survivors and children of survivors [in] a notice in the New York Times

“This now is Israel, a country … where imposing collective punishment of innocents is the main point, whose elected officials pine openly for concentration camps and genocide. … Hyper-nationalistic, loaded with nuclear weapons, deeply racist, persuaded that opposition to it is derived from anti-Semitism, feeling that the Holocaust gives it license to do whatever it wants and that the normal rules of international conduct will never apply to it.”
- Scott McConnell, the founding editor of the American Conservative

Here's a final thought, during Rabin's time, anti-Semitism was down, during Netanfuckyou's time, anti-Semitism is up. Conclusion: Israeli policies foment Jewish hatred.

Therefore, the single biggest threat to Jews on planet earth, is Zionism.

Jew hater, along with your supporting casts of like-minded haters,

So what would you have the Jewish people do?

Judaism was first formed in Jerusalem about a 1000 years before Christianity was formed in Bethlehem, both of which was before Islam was born. Look it up. The region in which Israel now sits precariously, had long been unoccupied by permanent peoples at the time of the establishment of Israel (1947, after the Nazi genocide), a place that Judaism historically calls it's birthplace. Now they are surrounded by vehement haters. Are you familiar with a map? I suspect not. Well, do what punks do nowadays, and go to google maps and examine the region. Do you advocate genocide? What place on earth would be GO FOR YOU for the Jewish people to go? Newsflash, the haters have already proclaimed repeatedly and publically, they Israel should be and will be whipped off map. You care so little about humanity that you desire this? I doubt it, but do tell! Or should they all detach themselves from their historical birth place and move to the shell that once was Detroit before the libs destroyed that once great city?

Rather than cut and paste bullshit, share with us your thoughts.

 

[Penelope]

So what would you have the Jewish people do?

Act like human beings. That seems to be out of the question. Oh I don't see any Arab state attacking Israel so lets put that to rest, and if one does they have proved rather well they can take care of themselves.

 

[Billo_Really]

Jew hater, along with your supporting casts of like-minded haters,

So what would you have the Jewish people do?

Judaism was first formed in Jerusalem about a 1000 years before Christianity was formed in Bethlehem, both of which was before Islam was born. Look it up. The region in which Israel now sits precariously, had long been unoccupied by permanent peoples at the time of the establishment of Israel (1947, after the Nazi genocide), a place that Judaism historically calls it's birthplace. Now they are surrounded by vehement haters. Are you familiar with a map? I suspect not. Well, do what punks do nowadays, and go to google maps and examine the region. Do you advocate genocide? What place on earth would be GO FOR YOU for the Jewish people to go? Newsflash, the haters have already proclaimed repeatedly and publically, they Israel should be and will be whipped off map. You care so little about humanity that you desire this? I doubt it, but do tell! Or should they all detach themselves from their historical birth place and move to the shell that once was Detroit before the libs destroyed that once great city?

Rather than cut and paste bullshit, share with us your thoughts.

My first thought is, why do you think I hate Jews? You got the balls to answer that question?

My second thought is, I don't give a shit about what happened a 1000 years ago and I could care less about anyone's historical birthplace.

My third thought is, you're full of shit about the area being uninhabited. Indigenous Arabs have been living in that area for generations and whether you like it or not, they have rights to.

My fourth thought is, it's a little weird you asking me if I support genocide, when that's what Israel is trying to do to the Palestinian's.

My fifth thought is, you need to shove that "wipe off map" shit up your ass, after what Israel just did to Gaza.

 

[Billo_Really]

Israel is great for the Jews, great for the Israelis, and this stupid "poll" is not even close to reflect ONE of the million aspects to valuate a state, like it or not, Israel is the best thing that ever happened to the Jews, and I don't want to even think what could possibly happen to the Jews without Israel, Do you think anyone would be helping out the Jews in Iraq? I don't, and we can see what happened to the Yizidies, I don't want to continue this stupid debate, Israel is great for the Jews, and great for the Israelis, period.

You sure are trying to convince yourself of that.

 

[Indofred]

I'm a Jew, the answer to the title: NO, Israel is heaven on earth.

But, sooner or later, will become hell on earth.
No nasty, mass murdering, bigoted state ever lasts very long.
Even the powerful Soviet union fell.

 

[Indofred]

As an aside, are you embarrassed by ISIS?

I ******* am - they behave like Zionists.
Disgusting.

 

[Penelope]

I'm a Jew, the answer to the title: NO, Israel is heaven on earth.

Only if your a Jew, otherwise , its hell on earth.

 

[Youch]

So what would you have the Jewish people do?

Act like human beings. That seems to be out of the question. Oh I don't see any Arab state attacking Israel so lets put that to rest, and if one does they have proved rather well they can take care of themselves.

None is so blind as those who will not see.

No Arab state? You just proved yourself too maleducated to understand. It is not "Arab state" it is Muslim states. Do you know the diff??? And you must not be aware (of course) of Hezbollah, the Hamas-holes, the Iranian public decrees, Syrian puppets, or the general Caliphate.

Defending themselves isn't acting like human beings?? What a dolt. Learn something and get back to me...

 

[Billo_Really]

None is so blind as those who will not see.

No Arab state? You just proved yourself too maleducated to understand. It is not "Arab state" it is Muslim states. Do you know the diff??? And you must not be aware (of course) of Hezbollah, the Hamas-holes, the Iranian public decrees, Syrian puppets, or the general Caliphate.

Defending themselves isn't acting like human beings?? What a dolt. Learn something and get back to me...

You left out Israeli aggression.

You can't forget that!

 

[Penelope]

So what would you have the Jewish people do?

Act like human beings. That seems to be out of the question. Oh I don't see any Arab state attacking Israel so lets put that to rest, and if one does they have proved rather well they can take care of themselves.

None is so blind as those who will not see.

No Arab state? You just proved yourself too maleducated to understand. It is not "Arab state" it is Muslim states. Do you know the diff??? And you must not be aware (of course) of Hezbollah, the Hamas-holes, the Iranian public decrees, Syrian puppets, or the general Caliphate.

Defending themselves isn't acting like human beings?? What a dolt. Learn something and get back to me...

Give it a rest. Of course I know what it means, as most Arabs are Muslims, but even Hebrews are Arabs.

Yes well Iran is not doing anything are they , Israel has nukes, why shouldn't Iran, its none of Israel's business. Syria isn't either. They voted Assad in and so that is who they have, its time our US People distance themselves from Israel, Also we need that money we send them. We need to get rid of the AIPAC lobby, and Zionist in our government.

 

[Youch]

Jew hater, along with your supporting casts of like-minded haters,

So what would you have the Jewish people do?

Judaism was first formed in Jerusalem about a 1000 years before Christianity was formed in Bethlehem, both of which was before Islam was born. Look it up. The region in which Israel now sits precariously, had long been unoccupied by permanent peoples at the time of the establishment of Israel (1947, after the Nazi genocide), a place that Judaism historically calls it's birthplace. Now they are surrounded by vehement haters. Are you familiar with a map? I suspect not. Well, do what punks do nowadays, and go to google maps and examine the region. Do you advocate genocide? What place on earth would be GO FOR YOU for the Jewish people to go? Newsflash, the haters have already proclaimed repeatedly and publically, they Israel should be and will be whipped off map. You care so little about humanity that you desire this? I doubt it, but do tell! Or should they all detach themselves from their historical birth place and move to the shell that once was Detroit before the libs destroyed that once great city?

Rather than cut and paste bullshit, share with us your thoughts.

My first thought is, why do you think I hate Jews? You got the balls to answer that question?

My second thought is, I don't give a shit about what happened a 1000 years ago and I could care less about anyone's historical birthplace.

My third thought is, you're full of shit about the area being uninhabited. Indigenous Arabs have been living in that area for generations and whether you like it or not, they have rights to.

My fourth thought is, it's a little weird you asking me if I support genocide, when that's what Israel is trying to do to the Palestinian's.

My fifth thought is, you need to shove that "wipe off map" shit up your ass, after what Israel just did to Gaza.

As to your first thought, because of your post. It speaks for itself.

As to your second thought, you just proved utter ignorance about the complicated nature of the situation.

As to your third thought, you again prove ignorance by confusing "Arabs" with the nomads that once journeyed through that area along with many other non-Muslim travelers. And again your prove ignorant and inconsistent, as you state "generations" but ignore thousands of years. See how silly you are?

As to your fourth thought (and by this time I am convinced they are no longer thoughts but ignorant emotions), who is launching rockets in response to hundreds of humanitarian trucks?? I bet you have no frickin' idea what I'm talking about...

As to your fifth emotion, I only wipe shit off my ass, not up my ass, and not with public decrees from the Iranian puppet masters. I think you are over your head. Go do some research on what I have said. My desire is for you to look a lot less dumb that illustrated here. Please, thank you, and good luck.

 

[Youch]

None is so blind as those who will not see.

No Arab state? You just proved yourself too maleducated to understand. It is not "Arab state" it is Muslim states. Do you know the diff??? And you must not be aware (of course) of Hezbollah, the Hamas-holes, the Iranian public decrees, Syrian puppets, or the general Caliphate.

Defending themselves isn't acting like human beings?? What a dolt. Learn something and get back to me...

You left out Israeli aggression.

You can't forget that!

A better tone.

Post evidence of any imperialism on the part of Israel. You cannot. All you will find in the facts is capitulation on the part of the tiny state, met with more and more rockets and demands and intolerance. And after years of rockets, an Israeli offensive to destroy the tunnels, despite the haters hiding behind kids and within schools and hospitals. It's the western world defending itself from 7th century mobs.

Why is this so hard to see?

I gotta get some sleep, but I'd be happy to post links for you....and others....but I'm afraid the emotions, hatred, ignorance and apathy will prevent any breakthrough in understanding.

 

[Billo_Really]

As to your first thought, because of your post. It speaks for itself.

"...because of [my] post."

What a lame ass cop out is that one? What my post was saying, was Jews all over the world are distancing themselves from Israel because they don't want to be associated with a fascist, totalitarian regime that is acting more like Nazi Germany, than a country that embraces Judaism.

Now how is that hating Jews?

As to your second thought, you just proved utter ignorance about the complicated nature of the situation.

Wrong! I just told you I don't give a shit about your history.

Que pasa, mutha?

As to your third thought, you again prove ignorance by confusing "Arabs" with the nomads that once journeyed through that area along with many other non-Muslim travelers. And again your prove ignorant and inconsistent, as you state "generations" but ignore thousands of years. See how silly you are?

Wrong again! I'm not talking about nomads, asshole. I'm talking about a million indigenous Arab residents living in that area for over 2000 years, in virtual peace with their Palestinian-Jewish neighbors, until the asshole Zionist migration imported their racist, apartheid ideology and started all the violence.

As to your fourth thought (and by this time I am convinced they are no longer thoughts but ignorant emotions), who is launching rockets in response to hundreds of humanitarian trucks?? I bet you have no frickin' idea what I'm talking about...

They're launching rockets in response to the illegal and immoral occupation and blockade that has been going on for the last 47 years, denying them their inalienable rights. They're responding to constant Israeli missile attacks and extra-judicial killings. They're responding to people like you, who are just really fucked human beings.

As to your fifth emotion, I only wipe shit off my ass, not up my ass, and not with public decrees from the Iranian puppet masters. I think you are over your head. Go do some research on what I have said. My desire is for you to look a lot less dumb that illustrated here. Please, thank you, and good luck.

I don't research bullshit, junior.

Back to you...

 

[Daniyel]

Israel is bot only great for the Jews (Israelis*) but also for the Palestinians compared to anywhere in the region which in fact explains WHY nobody wants to leave and everybody wants to be here.

 

[Billo_Really]

A better tone.

Post evidence of any imperialism on the part of Israel. You cannot. All you will find in the facts is capitulation on the part of the tiny state, met with more and more rockets and demands and intolerance. And after years of rockets, an Israeli offensive to destroy the tunnels, despite the haters hiding behind kids and within schools and hospitals. It's the western world defending itself from 7th century mobs.

Why is this so hard to see?

I gotta get some sleep, but I'd be happy to post links for you....and others....but I'm afraid the emotions, hatred, ignorance and apathy will prevent any breakthrough in understanding.

You've maintained an illegal occupation for the last 47 years. Is that imperial enough for you? You've also started the last 6 wars you've been in. Is that imperial enough for you? You run around the ME acting like your shit don't stink. Is that imperial enough for you?

How about this...................**** ISRAEL!

 

[Billo_Really]

Israel is bot only great for the Jews (Israelis*) but also for the Palestinians compared to anywhere in the region which in fact explains WHY nobody wants to leave and everybody wants to be here.

What about Holocaust survivors complaining about Israel acting like Nazis?

 

[Daniyel]

So far it was the blind hate and aggression like yours that caused it in the first place, so with all the respect I can give you a damn longer list of Holocaust survivors begging not to fall for the Palestinians mercy.

 

[Kondor3]

Israel is great for the Jews, great for the Israelis, and this stupid "poll" is not even close to reflect ONE of the million aspects to valuate a state, like it or not, Israel is the best thing that ever happened to the Jews, and I don't want to even think what could possibly happen to the Jews without Israel, Do you think anyone would be helping out the Jews in Iraq? I don't, and we can see what happened to the Yizidies, I don't want to continue this stupid debate, Israel is great for the Jews, and great for the Israelis, period.

Israel being bad for Jews?

Yeah, I agree, it's a stupid and phone-baloney staged debate.

Your analysis is right on target, insofar as I can tell.

This thread is simply one more intellectually weak, stupid, lame-ass, attempted (and failed) segue for throwing monkey-poo at Israel on the Internet, by apologists for Radical Islam and Hamas - you know, the usual circle of Muslim propagandists and other Arab ass-kissers.

Other than touching and recruiting the occasional weak mind, it's actually pretty damned funny.

 

[Youch]

As to your first thought, because of your post. It speaks for itself.

"...because of [my] post."

What a lame ass cop out is that one? What my post was saying, was Jews all over the world are distancing themselves from Israel because they don't want to be associated with a fascist, totalitarian regime that is acting more like Nazi Germany, than a country that embraces Judaism.

Now how is that hating Jews?

As to your second thought, you just proved utter ignorance about the complicated nature of the situation.

Wrong! I just told you I don't give a shit about your history.

Que pasa, mutha?

As to your third thought, you again prove ignorance by confusing "Arabs" with the nomads that once journeyed through that area along with many other non-Muslim travelers. And again your prove ignorant and inconsistent, as you state "generations" but ignore thousands of years. See how silly you are?

Wrong again! I'm not talking about nomads, asshole. I'm talking about a million indigenous Arab residents living in that area for over 2000 years, in virtual peace with their Palestinian-Jewish neighbors, until the asshole Zionist migration imported their racist, apartheid ideology and started all the violence.

As to your fourth thought (and by this time I am convinced they are no longer thoughts but ignorant emotions), who is launching rockets in response to hundreds of humanitarian trucks?? I bet you have no frickin' idea what I'm talking about...

They're launching rockets in response to the illegal and immoral occupation and blockade that has been going on for the last 47 years, denying them their inalienable rights. They're responding to constant Israeli missile attacks and extra-judicial killings. They're responding to people like you, who are just really fucked human beings.

As to your fifth emotion, I only wipe shit off my ass, not up my ass, and not with public decrees from the Iranian puppet masters. I think you are over your head. Go do some research on what I have said. My desire is for you to look a lot less dumb that illustrated here. Please, thank you, and good luck.

I don't research bullshit, junior.

Back to you...

Maroon.

No, Jews all over the world are not distancing themselves from Israel. Liberal jews are doing so. It's pathetic, I know. Just proves ideology is stronger than religion......actually, as I've long stated, ideology is a religion. But based on your posts, and your admitted lack of desire to learn, I don't expect you to understand the difference.

What evidence, AGAIN, do you have the Israel is doing anything other than defending itself? PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE. What, bombing schools that the haters use as rocket bases? That is your evidence?

You repeat your position that you don't give shit about history, and we are supposed to appreciate your point of view? I think that self-admittance of purposeful ignorance speaks for itself.

Funny thing, that you call me an asshole then repeat the ignorant claim that "Arabs" have been inhabiting that area for "2000 years". First of all, you already admitted you don't care about history (or know about it, for that matter) and second, please explain how "Arabs" inhabited that area at all, much less for thousands of years? You have no idea what I'm talking about, you are just trying to beat a poster. Well, it's not going to work. I've asked to you research, and you already said you don't care to do so, thus you are marginalized as a buffoon.

You again prove yourself ignorant (and a young punk) by bringing me into the argument.....it only proves you care not about the facts, but instead about trying to "beat" me...you can't, and you've already proven it. But it's not about me, its about the sliver and land the Israeli's are attempting to hold onto in a region that hates them. Haters, like you. The difference between them and you, is multi-faceted, but one example is that they know the difference between "Arab" and the haters against Israel.

What is left....ah yes, you admit you don't research. Well, well, wasn't that obvious from your very first post......

 

[Phoenall]

If you are over 50 and were raised in a Jewish household, you either heard the question — “but is it good for the Jews?” — explicitly asked numerous times or were subtly encouraged to think the question to yourself.

It reflects a group-centered concern born of the memory of anti-Semitic hostility and a seemingly unending vulnerability, and it can apply to almost any public action: federal or local legislation, cultural trends, foreign policy decisions, etc.

After WWII, most Jews assumed Zionism and the state of Israel were good for the Jews. But 6 decades later, we now have a mountain of evidence to answer that question more comprehensively.

According to Jewish scholars,

“the slaughter of Palestinian civilians and the Dresden-like reduction to rubble of large parts of Gaza by Israel’s military forces in the name of its own citizens’ security has exposed the hypocrisy that lies at the heart of Israel’s dealings with the Palestinians. Israel’s claim to the right of self-defense in order to prevent its victims’ emergence from under its occupation is the ultimate expression of chutzpa.”
- Henry Siegman, president of the U.S./Middle East Project and former national director of the American Jewish Congress.

“too many Israelis seem to believe - indeed, to take absolutely for granted - that they have the God-given right to occupy, suppress, disenfranchise and displace non-Jews … in Israel.”
- Siegman again

That last one reminds me of a few Israeli members at this particular website.

A couple more comments, then a final thought on Monday's show...

“We are alarmed by the extreme, racist dehumanization of Palestinians in Israeli society. … In Israel, politicians and pundits in The Times of Israel and The Jerusalem Post have called openly for genocide of Palestinians and right-wing Israelis are adopting Neo-Nazi insignia.”
- Holocaust survivors and children of survivors [in] a notice in the New York Times

“This now is Israel, a country … where imposing collective punishment of innocents is the main point, whose elected officials pine openly for concentration camps and genocide. … Hyper-nationalistic, loaded with nuclear weapons, deeply racist, persuaded that opposition to it is derived from anti-Semitism, feeling that the Holocaust gives it license to do whatever it wants and that the normal rules of international conduct will never apply to it.”
- Scott McConnell, the founding editor of the American Conservative

Here's a final thought, during Rabin's time, anti-Semitism was down, during Netanfuckyou's time, anti-Semitism is up. Conclusion: Israeli policies foment Jewish hatred.

Therefore, the single biggest threat to Jews on planet earth, is Zionism.

The single biggest threat to the Jews today is idiotic NAZI ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATERS like you