Is Israel bad for the Jews?

[Indeependent]

Iran...the Good Guys!

What is Iran doing???

You're kidding?
It's obvious you get all your news from Muslim sites.

 

[Penelope]

No Nazi blood at all, German blood? Maybe,however not in 95% of the Jews today including me.
I didn't use ANY biblical term to come up with the statements here at all, it was you starting this all up, and for your information the bible promised Israel to Jacob aka Israel, Abraham's grandson, I made it clear Abraham was not a Jew but you simply say 'Yes that's right and I read Abraham was the first Jews' - lack of reading comprehension again?

Good we did make progress, Nazism was an ideology. German is a race(probably mixed as well) but not all Germans were Nazi's. No, chances are there are more Polish, Russian, and Spanish / Jews, than German/ Jews. We also know that your a purebred.

No dummy, There is no Nazism in our blood at all, which is what you said earlier, and in your case there is no such thing as progress yet I find myself repeating ever single fact over and over again, but its not for you so don't be flattered, its for the sake of others, during the Holocaust there was no Jews left in Germany, those with some far relative were also sent to extermination camps, or luckily fled Germany elsewhere, take a look on the 1933 demographics, marring Jews were forbidden by the Nazis so no chance Jews can have any sort of Nazism in the bloodline, German maybe, but they are no longer considered themselves as Jews and in some case not considered Jews by Judaism, so they are no Jews anymore.

Your "feeling" that there are more German Jews is incorrect again, for 12th times in row!.

Maybe you should go back to pre 1933 , you know before JUDEA declared war on Germany. The 1% pop of the Jews were doing fine in Germany, until you tried to control. . Nazism is the same as Zionism, an ideology, but as you will note with Einstein's mother she describes her nationality as German, but her Ethnicity as Jewish, which would make Einstein a German brought up with Jewish traditions. The only true Jews are ones born in Judea. Is that where your bloodline comes from, or are you trying to say Israelites are a nationality? We never see Israelites as a nationality or is that what Israel is trying to start. They were not extermination camps but concentration camps, where most of the people in them were worked to impeding death, or died of starvation or disease. Google typhus.

Nope, you are living in a different dimension.

I think your in denial. Or you were probably brainwashed in school like I was.

Of course I am, are You really expecting me to take the word of a hypocrite, ignorant, stubborn, selfish, Nazi and violence supporter just because she "FEEL" so? so I say - NO MAM!

So you admit your in denial. Ok I'll agree.

Better over being an "enlightened" ex-brainwashed, hypocrite, ignorant, stubborn, selfish, Nazi and violence supporter..plus unlike you Penelope I don't play last resort with word games, since you see nothing wrong it, there are two possible options.
1.You really are childish, "enlightened" ex-brainwashed, hypocrite, ignorant, stubborn, selfish, Nazi and violence supporter - which is why you are so proud about it - evil.
2.You are in denial - most likely why you bothered to mention that, too afraid to be what you are.

Both ain't a pleasant alternatives anyways, so maa'salam dummy!

Your a little short on adjectives, I'm so much more.

 

[Indeependent]

Penelope,
Long on adjectives, short on facts.
That was TOO easy.

 

[Phoenall]

If you are over 50 and were raised in a Jewish household, you either heard the question — “but is it good for the Jews?” — explicitly asked numerous times or were subtly encouraged to think the question to yourself.

It reflects a group-centered concern born of the memory of anti-Semitic hostility and a seemingly unending vulnerability, and it can apply to almost any public action: federal or local legislation, cultural trends, foreign policy decisions, etc.

After WWII, most Jews assumed Zionism and the state of Israel were good for the Jews. But 6 decades later, we now have a mountain of evidence to answer that question more comprehensively.

According to Jewish scholars,

“the slaughter of Palestinian civilians and the Dresden-like reduction to rubble of large parts of Gaza by Israel’s military forces in the name of its own citizens’ security has exposed the hypocrisy that lies at the heart of Israel’s dealings with the Palestinians. Israel’s claim to the right of self-defense in order to prevent its victims’ emergence from under its occupation is the ultimate expression of chutzpa.”
- Henry Siegman, president of the U.S./Middle East Project and former national director of the American Jewish Congress.

“too many Israelis seem to believe - indeed, to take absolutely for granted - that they have the God-given right to occupy, suppress, disenfranchise and displace non-Jews … in Israel.”
- Siegman again

That last one reminds me of a few Israeli members at this particular website.

A couple more comments, then a final thought on Monday's show...

“We are alarmed by the extreme, racist dehumanization of Palestinians in Israeli society. … In Israel, politicians and pundits in The Times of Israel and The Jerusalem Post have called openly for genocide of Palestinians and right-wing Israelis are adopting Neo-Nazi insignia.”
- Holocaust survivors and children of survivors [in] a notice in the New York Times

“This now is Israel, a country … where imposing collective punishment of innocents is the main point, whose elected officials pine openly for concentration camps and genocide. … Hyper-nationalistic, loaded with nuclear weapons, deeply racist, persuaded that opposition to it is derived from anti-Semitism, feeling that the Holocaust gives it license to do whatever it wants and that the normal rules of international conduct will never apply to it.”
- Scott McConnell, the founding editor of the American Conservative

Here's a final thought, during Rabin's time, anti-Semitism was down, during Netanfuckyou's time, anti-Semitism is up. Conclusion: Israeli policies foment Jewish hatred.

Therefore, the single biggest threat to Jews on planet earth, is Zionism.

The single biggest threat to the Jews today is idiotic NAZI ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATERS like you

HI, as I was just explaining to Daniyel, many Jews are probably part German (German Genes), so that is rather a strange thing to say when you think about it.

How so being a Nazi has nothing to do with RACE, but all to do with culture and belief. The term Nazi covers an ideological movement that puts its members as a superior race to everyone else. This is explained in the Koran how allah made the muslims his chosen ones to rule the world in his name and to be superior to everyone else. Were do you think the German national socialist workers party got all their ideas from, but from the pact of Omar and the dhimmi laws.

Right both Nazism and Zionism are both political ideologies. Muhammad never made the Muslims the chosen one that was the Jews or lets get a verse from the Koran which I have read all of, but back it up. They got their idea when 1 % of Jews started running Germany, and then Judea declared war on Germany in 1933. You are aware that some Jews fought for Hitler aren't you?

Yes I knew about the Jews that fought for Germany, I also know that many Jews wanted to fight but the German refused to have them in the forces. Many had served in the First world war and had much needed experience that the Germans lost by their hatred. You I take it are aware that many more muslims fought for Germany and many manned the prison camps

 

[Penelope]

If you are over 50 and were raised in a Jewish household, you either heard the question — “but is it good for the Jews?” — explicitly asked numerous times or were subtly encouraged to think the question to yourself.

It reflects a group-centered concern born of the memory of anti-Semitic hostility and a seemingly unending vulnerability, and it can apply to almost any public action: federal or local legislation, cultural trends, foreign policy decisions, etc.

After WWII, most Jews assumed Zionism and the state of Israel were good for the Jews. But 6 decades later, we now have a mountain of evidence to answer that question more comprehensively.

According to Jewish scholars,

“the slaughter of Palestinian civilians and the Dresden-like reduction to rubble of large parts of Gaza by Israel’s military forces in the name of its own citizens’ security has exposed the hypocrisy that lies at the heart of Israel’s dealings with the Palestinians. Israel’s claim to the right of self-defense in order to prevent its victims’ emergence from under its occupation is the ultimate expression of chutzpa.”
- Henry Siegman, president of the U.S./Middle East Project and former national director of the American Jewish Congress.

“too many Israelis seem to believe - indeed, to take absolutely for granted - that they have the God-given right to occupy, suppress, disenfranchise and displace non-Jews … in Israel.”
- Siegman again

That last one reminds me of a few Israeli members at this particular website.

A couple more comments, then a final thought on Monday's show...

“We are alarmed by the extreme, racist dehumanization of Palestinians in Israeli society. … In Israel, politicians and pundits in The Times of Israel and The Jerusalem Post have called openly for genocide of Palestinians and right-wing Israelis are adopting Neo-Nazi insignia.”
- Holocaust survivors and children of survivors [in] a notice in the New York Times

“This now is Israel, a country … where imposing collective punishment of innocents is the main point, whose elected officials pine openly for concentration camps and genocide. … Hyper-nationalistic, loaded with nuclear weapons, deeply racist, persuaded that opposition to it is derived from anti-Semitism, feeling that the Holocaust gives it license to do whatever it wants and that the normal rules of international conduct will never apply to it.”
- Scott McConnell, the founding editor of the American Conservative

Here's a final thought, during Rabin's time, anti-Semitism was down, during Netanfuckyou's time, anti-Semitism is up. Conclusion: Israeli policies foment Jewish hatred.

Therefore, the single biggest threat to Jews on planet earth, is Zionism.

The single biggest threat to the Jews today is idiotic NAZI ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATERS like you

HI, as I was just explaining to Daniyel, many Jews are probably part German (German Genes), so that is rather a strange thing to say when you think about it.

How so being a Nazi has nothing to do with RACE, but all to do with culture and belief. The term Nazi covers an ideological movement that puts its members as a superior race to everyone else. This is explained in the Koran how allah made the muslims his chosen ones to rule the world in his name and to be superior to everyone else. Were do you think the German national socialist workers party got all their ideas from, but from the pact of Omar and the dhimmi laws.

Right both Nazism and Zionism are both political ideologies. Muhammad never made the Muslims the chosen one that was the Jews or lets get a verse from the Koran which I have read all of, but back it up. They got their idea when 1 % of Jews started running Germany, and then Judea declared war on Germany in 1933. You are aware that some Jews fought for Hitler aren't you?

Yes I knew about the Jews that fought for Germany, I also know that many Jews wanted to fight but the German refused to have them in the forces. Many had served in the First world war and had much needed experience that the Germans lost by their hatred. You I take it are aware that many more muslims fought for Germany and many manned the prison camps

Many Muslims fought for Britain as well. Many Jews from Russia joined up with Hitler's men and killed Jews were still in cahoots with Russia (the Jews who hated Russia due to the hodomour (sp) . Oh yes I sat and listen to one of your Jews go on and about his work at the concentration camp. He stated he had to pull them out with a cane around their neck.. Standing room only he said. See the only problem all the dead bodies were skinny, you do not need to gas people who are already dead. This is getting off topic, so go to the holocaust forum and read my posts.

 

[Daniyel]

Nooope.

 

[Penelope]

Iran...the Good Guys!

What is Iran doing???

You're kidding?
It's obvious you get all your news from Muslim sites.

No I don't go to Muslim sites. I do read some Arab ME newspapers though. Tell me what they are doing.

 

[Crystalclear]

If you are over 50 and were raised in a Jewish household, you either heard the question — “but is it good for the Jews?” — explicitly asked numerous times or were subtly encouraged to think the question to yourself.

It reflects a group-centered concern born of the memory of anti-Semitic hostility and a seemingly unending vulnerability, and it can apply to almost any public action: federal or local legislation, cultural trends, foreign policy decisions, etc.

After WWII, most Jews assumed Zionism and the state of Israel were good for the Jews. But 6 decades later, we now have a mountain of evidence to answer that question more comprehensively.

According to Jewish scholars,

“the slaughter of Palestinian civilians and the Dresden-like reduction to rubble of large parts of Gaza by Israel’s military forces in the name of its own citizens’ security has exposed the hypocrisy that lies at the heart of Israel’s dealings with the Palestinians. Israel’s claim to the right of self-defense in order to prevent its victims’ emergence from under its occupation is the ultimate expression of chutzpa.”
- Henry Siegman, president of the U.S./Middle East Project and former national director of the American Jewish Congress.

“too many Israelis seem to believe - indeed, to take absolutely for granted - that they have the God-given right to occupy, suppress, disenfranchise and displace non-Jews … in Israel.”
- Siegman again

That last one reminds me of a few Israeli members at this particular website.

A couple more comments, then a final thought on Monday's show...

“We are alarmed by the extreme, racist dehumanization of Palestinians in Israeli society. … In Israel, politicians and pundits in The Times of Israel and The Jerusalem Post have called openly for genocide of Palestinians and right-wing Israelis are adopting Neo-Nazi insignia.”
- Holocaust survivors and children of survivors [in] a notice in the New York Times

“This now is Israel, a country … where imposing collective punishment of innocents is the main point, whose elected officials pine openly for concentration camps and genocide. … Hyper-nationalistic, loaded with nuclear weapons, deeply racist, persuaded that opposition to it is derived from anti-Semitism, feeling that the Holocaust gives it license to do whatever it wants and that the normal rules of international conduct will never apply to it.”
- Scott McConnell, the founding editor of the American Conservative

Here's a final thought, during Rabin's time, anti-Semitism was down, during Netanfuckyou's time, anti-Semitism is up. Conclusion: Israeli policies foment Jewish hatred.

Therefore, the single biggest threat to Jews on planet earth, is Zionism.

The single biggest threat to the Jews today is idiotic NAZI ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATERS like you

HI, as I was just explaining to Daniyel, many Jews are probably part German (German Genes), so that is rather a strange thing to say when you think about it.

How so being a Nazi has nothing to do with RACE, but all to do with culture and belief. The term Nazi covers an ideological movement that puts its members as a superior race to everyone else. This is explained in the Koran how allah made the muslims his chosen ones to rule the world in his name and to be superior to everyone else. Were do you think the German national socialist workers party got all their ideas from, but from the pact of Omar and the dhimmi laws.

Right both Nazism and Zionism are both political ideologies. Muhammad never made the Muslims the chosen one that was the Jews or lets get a verse from the Koran which I have read all of, but back it up. They got their idea when 1 % of Jews started running Germany, and then Judea declared war on Germany in 1933. You are aware that some Jews fought for Hitler aren't you?

Yes I knew about the Jews that fought for Germany, I also know that many Jews wanted to fight but the German refused to have them in the forces. Many had served in the First world war and had much needed experience that the Germans lost by their hatred. You I take it are aware that many more muslims fought for Germany and many manned the prison camps

You are trying to make a stupid point Penelope. Jews who supported the Nazis and supported the extermination of their own peope cannot be considered as real Jews.

 

[Indeependent]

The heirs to the Nazis are Zionists like you. The Palestinians are your Jews, as Primo Levi said.

Yeah, those damn Jews were always blowing up buses in Germany.
Have I told you lately you're an Idiot?

Take it up with with the author Primo Levi, a Jew and a Holocaust survivor. You wouldn't call me an idiot to my face, trust me punk.

Notice how a Jew hater always resorts to all they have after losing based on their lack of logic.
I took Karate and Tai Chi for 20 years and I'm bullt like a rock.
Which basically means I'm in incredible shape AND I know how to fight.
So you're incorrect, Jew hater.

Now back to your revisionist history.

@fanger, it just occurred to me that you're always concerned when one poster threatens another poster.
Are you concerned now that I've been threatened by Monty?

 

[montelatici]

The heirs to the Nazis are Zionists like you. The Palestinians are your Jews, as Primo Levi said.

Yeah, those damn Jews were always blowing up buses in Germany.
Have I told you lately you're an Idiot?

Take it up with with the author Primo Levi, a Jew and a Holocaust survivor. You wouldn't call me an idiot to my face, trust me punk.

Notice how a Jew hater always resorts to all they have after losing based on their lack of logic.
I took Karate and Tai Chi for 20 years and I'm bullt like a rock.
Which basically means I'm in incredible shape AND I know how to fight.
So you're incorrect, Jew hater.

Now back to your revisionist history.

@fanger, it just occurred to me that you're always concerned when one poster threatens another poster.
Are you concerned now that I've been threatened by Monty?

I simply said that you would not insult me, calling me (or anyone else) an idiot in person. Just stating a fact. You resort to personal insults because you haven't any facts to back your position.

 

[Indofred]

As an aside, are you embarrassed by ISIS?

I ******* am - they behave like Zionists.
Disgusting.

ISIS behaves like Israel? Really?

What similarities do you see?.

Both are murdering a lot of innocent civilians for their religious/political ideals.

 

[toastman]

As an aside, are you embarrassed by ISIS?

I ******* am - they behave like Zionists.
Disgusting.

ISIS behaves like Israel? Really?

What similarities do you see?.

Both are murdering a lot of innocent civilians for their religious/political ideals.

Wow you are so full of shit. The only people who murder people for religious/political ideals are Muslims, and you know that's true.

God you are so full of shit!

 

[toastman]

The heirs to the Nazis are Zionists like you. The Palestinians are your Jews, as Primo Levi said.

Yeah, those damn Jews were always blowing up buses in Germany.
Have I told you lately you're an Idiot?

Take it up with with the author Primo Levi, a Jew and a Holocaust survivor. You wouldn't call me an idiot to my face, trust me punk.

Notice how a Jew hater always resorts to all they have after losing based on their lack of logic.
I took Karate and Tai Chi for 20 years and I'm bullt like a rock.
Which basically means I'm in incredible shape AND I know how to fight.
So you're incorrect, Jew hater.

Now back to your revisionist history.

@fanger, it just occurred to me that you're always concerned when one poster threatens another poster.
Are you concerned now that I've been threatened by Monty?

I simply said that you would not insult me, calling me (or anyone else) an idiot in person. Just stating a fact. You resort to personal insults because you haven't any facts to back your position.

You threatened him because you, as usual, lost he argument.

 

[Billo_Really]

Exactly right!!! The position against Israel is entirely about hatred and intolerance and ignorance and emotion. You just proved my case in spades. Thank you!

**** you! The only thing proven, is you jumping through hoops trying to push this dumbass strawman to anyone stupid enough to believe it.

47 years? You don't even know what that means.....

It means 47 years. That's kind of an odd comment.

By the way....just a hint.....you are now referring to me in that "I've maintained" and that "I've started" blah blah.... Dude, I'm not Jewish, and I'm not a resident of Israel. I'm not even religious. The fact that you've assumed so, or targeted me as such, only underlines my now-proven contention that you are a bigot ruled by hatred.

I'm not assuming anything. If you're going to talk like an Israeli, then I'm going to treat you like one.

I've started the last 6 wars? Do you even know how dumb that is?

Not as dumb as acting like I was talking about you personally.

I think I'm done wrestling with a pig (doubt you even know that reference).

No, but you just proved my point about walking around acting like his shit don't stink.

Onward and Upward,
Y

You watch too much TV.

 

[Billo_Really]

They're libs. I've already explained that to you (or someone). Look at the voting blocks in the US. Shameful. I don't remember if you were the one who claimed to not be interested in research....

How the **** do you know what they are?

You're just some hayseed dickboy acting like he's all that (and a bucket of chicken).

 

[Indeependent]

The heirs to the Nazis are Zionists like you. The Palestinians are your Jews, as Primo Levi said.

Yeah, those damn Jews were always blowing up buses in Germany.
Have I told you lately you're an Idiot?

Take it up with with the author Primo Levi, a Jew and a Holocaust survivor. You wouldn't call me an idiot to my face, trust me punk.

Notice how a Jew hater always resorts to all they have after losing based on their lack of logic.
I took Karate and Tai Chi for 20 years and I'm bullt like a rock.
Which basically means I'm in incredible shape AND I know how to fight.
So you're incorrect, Jew hater.

Now back to your revisionist history.

@fanger, it just occurred to me that you're always concerned when one poster threatens another poster.
Are you concerned now that I've been threatened by Monty?

I simply said that you would not insult me, calling me (or anyone else) an idiot in person. Just stating a fact. You resort to personal insults because you haven't any facts to back your position.

I resort to an insult because you assert how educated you are and then revise history without blinking an eye.
I wonder if The Economist agrees with your version of Israel/Palestine.

 

[Billo_Really]

Well said, let me shed some light on your debate with Billo, he doesn't care about the Palestinians, he does care about the Palestinian leadership [Terrorists] and the interest is obvious to all, he just want to continue this conflict because he is only interested to see some Jews (ISRAELIS) DIE.
So don't bother talking to him rationally, this thing is aggressive and hypocritical, no matter what you'll say he will simply repeat it in the next post just to wage the chaos against Israel, you cannot argue with insane person by talking sane and reason.

That was harsh!

I've always said nice things about you and given you the utmost respect.

 

[Indeependent]

I wonder if America is good for Christians.
After all, "Manifest Destiny".

 

[Billo_Really]

I wonder if America is good for Christians.
After all, "Manifest Destiny".

I don't recall giving you permission to participate in MY thread?

 

[Indeependent]

I wonder if America is good for Christians.
After all, "Manifest Destiny".

I don't recall giving you permission to participate in MY thread?

I don't recall giving a shit about what you think.