Is Israel bad for the Jews?

[Billo_Really]

I don't recall giving a shit about what you think.

Be nice, you long-horned cock-sucker!

 

[Indeependent]

I don't recall giving a shit about what you think.

Be nice, you long-horned cock-sucker!

OK, who told you?!

 

[Billo_Really]

OK, who told you?!

I'm no rat!

 

[Daniyel]

Well said, let me shed some light on your debate with Billo, he doesn't care about the Palestinians, he does care about the Palestinian leadership [Terrorists] and the interest is obvious to all, he just want to continue this conflict because he is only interested to see some Jews (ISRAELIS) DIE.
So don't bother talking to him rationally, this thing is aggressive and hypocritical, no matter what you'll say he will simply repeat it in the next post just to wage the chaos against Israel, you cannot argue with insane person by talking sane and reason.

That was harsh!

I've always said nice things about you and given you the utmost respect.

No you did NOT.

 

[Youch]

**** you! If you're going to talk like an Israeli, then I'm going to treat you like one.

You just proved my point, Bigot! Racist. Anti-semite. You make my case every time.

See folks, the pro-terrorists always expose themselves for what they are. Haters. Bigots. And, dangerously for my family, modern progressive liberals.

That was harsh!

I've always said nice things about you and given you the utmost respect.

Liberalism is a mental disorder. Topsy Turvy, emotional, perhaps drug induced....

 

[Youch]

They're libs. I've already explained that to you (or someone). Look at the voting blocks in the US. Shameful. I don't remember if you were the one who claimed to not be interested in research....

How the **** do you know what they are?

You're just some hayseed dickboy acting like he's all that (and a bucket of chicken).

What is a hayseed dickboy, and while you avoid the issues with emotional outbursts, what does such name calling have to do with the subject and how does it disprove my point? Hint: It doesn't prove anything other than you likely have very little education.

 

[Youch]

Everybody hates Israel.

You know 40 million people, I doubt it.

The inconsistencies of liberals is never ending..... And their bigotry always gets exposed....

 

[montelatici]

**** you! If you're going to talk like an Israeli, then I'm going to treat you like one.

You just proved my point, Bigot! Racist. Anti-semite. You make my case every time.

See folks, the pro-terrorists always expose themselves for what they are. Haters. Bigots. And, dangerously for my family, modern progressive liberals.

That was harsh!

I've always said nice things about you and given you the utmost respect.

Liberalism is a mental disorder. Topsy Turvy, emotional, perhaps drug induced....

Do you even know what liberalism is? Our Founding Fathers were all Liberals. You need to get some education.

"Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property.[2][3][4][5][6]

Liberalism first became a distinct political movement during the Age of Enlightenment, when it became popular among philosophers and economists in the Western world. Liberalism rejected the notions, common at the time, of hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy, and the Divine Right of Kings. The 17th-century philosopher John Locke is often credited with founding liberalism as a distinct philosophical tradition. Locke argued that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property[7] and according to the social contract, governments must not violate these rights. Liberals opposed traditional conservatism and sought to replace absolutism in government with representative democracy and the rule of law.

The revolutionaries of the Glorious Revolution, American Revolution, segments of the French Revolution, and other liberal revolutionaries from that time used liberal philosophy to justify the armed overthrow of what they saw as tyrannical rule. The 19th century saw liberal governments established in nations across Europe, Spanish America, and North America.[8] In this period, the dominant ideological opponent of liberalism was classical conservatism."

Liberalism - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Youch]

**** you! If you're going to talk like an Israeli, then I'm going to treat you like one.

You just proved my point, Bigot! Racist. Anti-semite. You make my case every time.

See folks, the pro-terrorists always expose themselves for what they are. Haters. Bigots. And, dangerously for my family, modern progressive liberals.

That was harsh!

I've always said nice things about you and given you the utmost respect.

Liberalism is a mental disorder. Topsy Turvy, emotional, perhaps drug induced....

Do you even know what liberalism is? Our Founding Fathers were all Liberals. You need to get some education.

"Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property.[2][3][4][5][6]

Liberalism first became a distinct political movement during the Age of Enlightenment, when it became popular among philosophers and economists in the Western world. Liberalism rejected the notions, common at the time, of hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy, and the Divine Right of Kings. The 17th-century philosopher John Locke is often credited with founding liberalism as a distinct philosophical tradition. Locke argued that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property[7] and according to the social contract, governments must not violate these rights. Liberals opposed traditional conservatism and sought to replace absolutism in government with representative democracy and the rule of law.

The revolutionaries of the Glorious Revolution, American Revolution, segments of the French Revolution, and other liberal revolutionaries from that time used liberal philosophy to justify the armed overthrow of what they saw as tyrannical rule. The 19th century saw liberal governments established in nations across Europe, Spanish America, and North America.[8] In this period, the dominant ideological opponent of liberalism was classical conservatism."

Liberalism - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Perhaps revisit the definitions of classic liberalism vs. modern liberalism, and rely naught on Wikipedia as your oracle. Wanna discuss?

We can discuss education, if you want. Mine is not wiki. But I'm not the topic. The topic is this nonsense that an Israeli state is bad for Israelis. As if extermination would be much more humanitarian. Got a wiki quote to refute that?

 

[montelatici]

**** you! If you're going to talk like an Israeli, then I'm going to treat you like one.

You just proved my point, Bigot! Racist. Anti-semite. You make my case every time.

See folks, the pro-terrorists always expose themselves for what they are. Haters. Bigots. And, dangerously for my family, modern progressive liberals.

That was harsh!

I've always said nice things about you and given you the utmost respect.

Liberalism is a mental disorder. Topsy Turvy, emotional, perhaps drug induced....

Do you even know what liberalism is? Our Founding Fathers were all Liberals. You need to get some education.

"Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property.[2][3][4][5][6]

Liberalism first became a distinct political movement during the Age of Enlightenment, when it became popular among philosophers and economists in the Western world. Liberalism rejected the notions, common at the time, of hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy, and the Divine Right of Kings. The 17th-century philosopher John Locke is often credited with founding liberalism as a distinct philosophical tradition. Locke argued that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property[7] and according to the social contract, governments must not violate these rights. Liberals opposed traditional conservatism and sought to replace absolutism in government with representative democracy and the rule of law.

The revolutionaries of the Glorious Revolution, American Revolution, segments of the French Revolution, and other liberal revolutionaries from that time used liberal philosophy to justify the armed overthrow of what they saw as tyrannical rule. The 19th century saw liberal governments established in nations across Europe, Spanish America, and North America.[8] In this period, the dominant ideological opponent of liberalism was classical conservatism."

Liberalism - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Perhaps revisit the definitions of classic liberalism vs. modern liberalism, and rely naught on Wikipedia as your oracle. Wanna discuss?

We can discuss education, if you want. Mine is not wiki. But I'm not the topic. The topic is this nonsense that an Israeli state is bad for Israelis. As if extermination would be much more humanitarian. Got a wiki quote to refute that?

The wiki synthesis describing Liberalism is quite adequate. There is no difference between classical liberalism and modern liberalism. It is still juxtaposed against conservatism, classical or otherwise. Liberalism still rejects hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy, and the Divine Right of Kings.

Israel puts Jews outside of Israel more and more at risk. Eventually, the U.S. and Europe (Europe is already on the way) will begin to view Jews in their midst the way the rest of the world does, i.e. as part of Israel. When that happens, Jews will be at risk everywhere but in Israel, and Israel doesn't have that many years left, given the demographics. That's why Israel is bad for Jews.

 

[Youch]

**** you! If you're going to talk like an Israeli, then I'm going to treat you like one.

You just proved my point, Bigot! Racist. Anti-semite. You make my case every time.

See folks, the pro-terrorists always expose themselves for what they are. Haters. Bigots. And, dangerously for my family, modern progressive liberals.

That was harsh!

I've always said nice things about you and given you the utmost respect.

Liberalism is a mental disorder. Topsy Turvy, emotional, perhaps drug induced....

Do you even know what liberalism is? Our Founding Fathers were all Liberals. You need to get some education.

"Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property.[2][3][4][5][6]

Liberalism first became a distinct political movement during the Age of Enlightenment, when it became popular among philosophers and economists in the Western world. Liberalism rejected the notions, common at the time, of hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy, and the Divine Right of Kings. The 17th-century philosopher John Locke is often credited with founding liberalism as a distinct philosophical tradition. Locke argued that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property[7] and according to the social contract, governments must not violate these rights. Liberals opposed traditional conservatism and sought to replace absolutism in government with representative democracy and the rule of law.

The revolutionaries of the Glorious Revolution, American Revolution, segments of the French Revolution, and other liberal revolutionaries from that time used liberal philosophy to justify the armed overthrow of what they saw as tyrannical rule. The 19th century saw liberal governments established in nations across Europe, Spanish America, and North America.[8] In this period, the dominant ideological opponent of liberalism was classical conservatism."

Liberalism - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Perhaps revisit the definitions of classic liberalism vs. modern liberalism, and rely naught on Wikipedia as your oracle. Wanna discuss?

We can discuss education, if you want. Mine is not wiki. But I'm not the topic. The topic is this nonsense that an Israeli state is bad for Israelis. As if extermination would be much more humanitarian. Got a wiki quote to refute that?

The wiki synthesis describing Liberalism is quite adequate. There is no difference between classical liberalism and modern liberalism. It is still juxtaposed against conservatism, classical or otherwise. Liberalism still rejects hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy, and the Divine Right of Kings.

Israel puts Jews outside of Israel more and more at risk. Eventually, the U.S. and Europe (Europe is already on the way) will begin to view Jews in their midst the way the rest of the world does, i.e. as part of Israel. When that happens, Jews will be at risk everywhere but in Israel, and Israel doesn't have that many years left, given the demographics. That's why Israel is bad for Jews.

How do you know it is "quite adequate?" You inferred some greater education.....expound upon that!?!!

Your statement about there being no difference ignores history and the evolution of thought. But you knew this already, right?

These better describe the difference better than I can, and are clearly not part of your revered "synthesis:"

http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/Classical_Liberalism_vs_Modern_Liberal_Conservatism.pdf
Classical Liberalism vs. Modern Liberalism - Reason.com

Let's explore the nonsense you are spewing. The state of Israel, the historical site of Jerusalem, puts people of a certain faith at risk. Why is that? Is it because Jews are dangerous to the world? Is if because of their historical empirical nature, ruthlessly gobbling up land and killing people all over the world? Is it because Judaism has sworn a holy war against most of the western world?

Or is it because their mere existence, as disgusting as that is for the likes of radicals, puts them at risk? And that they dare cling to the sliver of land around their religious holy ground, they are a cancer of the world?

You speak as a 7th century jihadist. Or a Nazi. Or a vehement, radical, liberal anti-Semite. Or an ignorant bigot.

Either way, there is no other way to justify your position. You pegged yourself, dude, I just connected the dots.

What else ya got, bigot???

 

[Penelope]

Everybody hates Israel.

You know 40 million people, I doubt it.

The inconsistencies of liberals is never ending..... And their bigotry always gets exposed....

I was being sarcastic when I said "Everyone hates Israel" meaning their imagination gets the best of them. Their overwhelming hatred of Iran , a country who had done
nothing to them makes me sick, as a matter of fact after their last fiasco,, Israel makes me sick.

 

[Lipush]

If you are over 50 and were raised in a Jewish household, you either heard the question — “but is it good for the Jews?” — explicitly asked numerous times or were subtly encouraged to think the question to yourself.

It reflects a group-centered concern born of the memory of anti-Semitic hostility and a seemingly unending vulnerability, and it can apply to almost any public action: federal or local legislation, cultural trends, foreign policy decisions, etc.

After WWII, most Jews assumed Zionism and the state of Israel were good for the Jews. But 6 decades later, we now have a mountain of evidence to answer that question more comprehensively.

According to Jewish scholars,

“the slaughter of Palestinian civilians and the Dresden-like reduction to rubble of large parts of Gaza by Israel’s military forces in the name of its own citizens’ security has exposed the hypocrisy that lies at the heart of Israel’s dealings with the Palestinians. Israel’s claim to the right of self-defense in order to prevent its victims’ emergence from under its occupation is the ultimate expression of chutzpa.”
- Henry Siegman, president of the U.S./Middle East Project and former national director of the American Jewish Congress.

“too many Israelis seem to believe - indeed, to take absolutely for granted - that they have the God-given right to occupy, suppress, disenfranchise and displace non-Jews … in Israel.”
- Siegman again

That last one reminds me of a few Israeli members at this particular website.

A couple more comments, then a final thought on Monday's show...

“We are alarmed by the extreme, racist dehumanization of Palestinians in Israeli society. … In Israel, politicians and pundits in The Times of Israel and The Jerusalem Post have called openly for genocide of Palestinians and right-wing Israelis are adopting Neo-Nazi insignia.”
- Holocaust survivors and children of survivors [in] a notice in the New York Times

“This now is Israel, a country … where imposing collective punishment of innocents is the main point, whose elected officials pine openly for concentration camps and genocide. … Hyper-nationalistic, loaded with nuclear weapons, deeply racist, persuaded that opposition to it is derived from anti-Semitism, feeling that the Holocaust gives it license to do whatever it wants and that the normal rules of international conduct will never apply to it.”
- Scott McConnell, the founding editor of the American Conservative

Here's a final thought, during Rabin's time, anti-Semitism was down, during Netanfuckyou's time, anti-Semitism is up. Conclusion: Israeli policies foment Jewish hatred.

Therefore, the single biggest threat to Jews on planet earth, is Zionism.

Is oxygen bad for the brain?

 

[Youch]

Everybody hates Israel.

You know 40 million people, I doubt it.

The inconsistencies of liberals is never ending..... And their bigotry always gets exposed....

I was being sarcastic when I said "Everyone hates Israel" meaning their imagination gets the best of them. Their overwhelming hatred of Iran , a country who had done
nothing to them makes me sick, as a matter of fact after their last fiasco,, Israel makes me sick.

You just contradicted yourself. Do you even know how??

Are you aware of the public statements from the Iranian President about whipping Israel off the map? If not, you should be. If so, then you advocate genocide.

Are you aware that Iran fully funds ISIS/ISIL? And Hezbollah? And the Hamas-holes? Muslim Brotherhood? Are these terms new to you? Do you even know what those organizations are chartered to do? And charted to do based on what? Are you aware of the Jihad? The Caliphate? Do you know who is killing Christians all over the Middle East? Do you care?

Look, chickee-poo, grow up. You are advocating extermination. The people you support are anti-gay, anti-women, anti-western, anti-religious freedom, etc...all the things libs pretend to support. This underscores and bolds the illogic and danger of liberalism.

Let's debate....

 

[Youch]

Everybody hates Israel.

You know 40 million people, I doubt it.

The inconsistencies of liberals is never ending..... And their bigotry always gets exposed....

I was being sarcastic when I said "Everyone hates Israel" meaning their imagination gets the best of them. Their overwhelming hatred of Iran , a country who had done
nothing to them makes me sick, as a matter of fact after their last fiasco,, Israel makes me sick.

I forgot the make the obvious point to you.... you claim, absurdly so, that you were being sarcastic when you claimed that everyone hate Israel. Then end your diatribe by claiming Israel makes you sick. The hate-filled almost never see or understand their own hate. Education is the key. Wanna engage?

 

[Lipush]

Everybody hates Israel.

You know 40 million people, I doubt it.

The inconsistencies of liberals is never ending..... And their bigotry always gets exposed....

I was being sarcastic when I said "Everyone hates Israel" meaning their imagination gets the best of them. Their overwhelming hatred of Iran , a country who had done
nothing to them makes me sick, as a matter of fact after their last fiasco,, Israel makes me sick.

I forgot the make the obvious point to you.... you claim, absurdly so, that you were being sarcastic when you claimed that everyone hate Israel. Then end your diatribe by claiming Israel makes you sick. The hate-filled almost never see or understand their own hate. Education is the key. Wanna engage?

LOL

 

[Lipush]

If you are over 50 and were raised in a Jewish household, you either heard the question — “but is it good for the Jews?” — explicitly asked numerous times or were subtly encouraged to think the question to yourself.

It reflects a group-centered concern born of the memory of anti-Semitic hostility and a seemingly unending vulnerability, and it can apply to almost any public action: federal or local legislation, cultural trends, foreign policy decisions, etc.

After WWII, most Jews assumed Zionism and the state of Israel were good for the Jews. But 6 decades later, we now have a mountain of evidence to answer that question more comprehensively.

According to Jewish scholars,

“the slaughter of Palestinian civilians and the Dresden-like reduction to rubble of large parts of Gaza by Israel’s military forces in the name of its own citizens’ security has exposed the hypocrisy that lies at the heart of Israel’s dealings with the Palestinians. Israel’s claim to the right of self-defense in order to prevent its victims’ emergence from under its occupation is the ultimate expression of chutzpa.”
- Henry Siegman, president of the U.S./Middle East Project and former national director of the American Jewish Congress.

“too many Israelis seem to believe - indeed, to take absolutely for granted - that they have the God-given right to occupy, suppress, disenfranchise and displace non-Jews … in Israel.”
- Siegman again

That last one reminds me of a few Israeli members at this particular website.

A couple more comments, then a final thought on Monday's show...

“We are alarmed by the extreme, racist dehumanization of Palestinians in Israeli society. … In Israel, politicians and pundits in The Times of Israel and The Jerusalem Post have called openly for genocide of Palestinians and right-wing Israelis are adopting Neo-Nazi insignia.”
- Holocaust survivors and children of survivors [in] a notice in the New York Times

“This now is Israel, a country … where imposing collective punishment of innocents is the main point, whose elected officials pine openly for concentration camps and genocide. … Hyper-nationalistic, loaded with nuclear weapons, deeply racist, persuaded that opposition to it is derived from anti-Semitism, feeling that the Holocaust gives it license to do whatever it wants and that the normal rules of international conduct will never apply to it.”
- Scott McConnell, the founding editor of the American Conservative

Here's a final thought, during Rabin's time, anti-Semitism was down, during Netanfuckyou's time, anti-Semitism is up. Conclusion: Israeli policies foment Jewish hatred.

Therefore, the single biggest threat to Jews on planet earth, is Zionism.

I have an honest question.

Why do "Jewish scholars" or any other "scholars" worth more? I mean, why should any Israeli "intelligant" know more about this than the normal average Israeli in the street?

Because most of Israeli Jews will disagree with this statement.

 

[Lipush]

The numbers don't lie. Israel is losing support from Jews around the world.

For decades, the Jewish community was generally united in its support for Israel. Today, a growing number of American Jews, though still devoted to Israel, struggle with the lack of progress toward peace with the Palestinians. Many feel that AIPAC does not speak for them.

The Pew Center’s survey found that only thirty-eight per cent of American Jews believe that the Israeli government is sincerely pursuing peace;

forty-four per cent believe that the construction of new settlements damages Israel’s national security.

In a Gallup poll in late July, only a quarter of Americans under the age of thirty thought that Israel’s actions in Gaza were justified.

And it just gets worse!

Israel Losing Support from Its Biggest Ally: American Evangelical Christians

Evangelical leaders on both sides of the divide on Israel agree that members of the millennial generation do not share their parents’ passion for the Jewish state; many are seeking some form of evenhandedness when approaching the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

In June 2011, the Pew Research Center conducted a survey …. A majority of American evangelical leaders (49%) expressed neutrality when asked if they sympathize more with Israelis or with Palestinians. Thirty percent expressed support for Israelis, 13% for the Palestinians.

Around the world, twice as many people have a negative opinion of Israel, than those with a positive opinion.

A global poll in and about several countries, conducted for the BBC long before the latest strife in Gaza, reported that negative views of Israel’s influence in the world outweighed positive ones by more than two to one

This is a direct result of Zionist bullshit.

Acording to worldwide poll, in the scale of 1-30, Israeli children are at the 8th place of most joyful children in western countries.

Above America, if you're curious to know.

 

[haissem123]

it was supposed to be the land of milk and honey, but from it's beginning the jews went in and spied it out. Saw men greater in size and number then them. but God was on the jews side so he told taught them to win war through attacking first and a divine hatred of all others. The jews, at least those wanting to kill in their God's name, are rommulans. An evil race of blood thirsty ghouls. They've turned the land of milk and honey into the land of blood and guts. God won't let this evil stand for much longer. I'd leave this so called "holy land" and find a new land without killing your way into it.

 

[Lipush]

it was supposed to be the land of milk and honey, but from it's beginning the jews went in and spied it out. Saw men greater in size and number then them. but God was on the jews side so he told taught them to win war through attacking first and a divine hatred of all others. The jews, at least those wanting to kill in their God's name, are rommulans. An evil race of blood thirsty ghouls. They've turned the land of milk and honey into the land of blood and guts. God won't let this evil stand for much longer. I'd leave this so called "holy land" and find a new land without killing your way into it.

Well, it's good to know we have such tolerant and un-racist people such as yourself to fight the racist Jews.