Is God Punishing Haiti?

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

So the Old Testament is not used by Christians?

Not very much.


Pretty much only where creationism (i.e. intelligent design) is concerned.

Oh here we go.....

A lot of intelligent Design people do not believe in creationism. If you have showtime look for a movie by Ben Stein Called Expelled, the difference is explained very well there.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGCxbhGaVfE[/ame]

 

[Dante]

I don't believe God punishes anyone, but in your case Dev, I would hope he/she would make an exception Shame on you for using an unbelievable disaster like this to bash Christians.

Oh please, go suck on a lemon.

 

[Dante]

Just so you know I wasn't trying to say you are ridiculous.....i meant the claim of people stated in the OP that "The earthquake was god punishing Haiti" was ridiculous. .

oops.


gawd, I'm now officially an idiot. Put that in your signature Paulie,CrusaderFrank and the other douchebaghs.

No worries man. I just read your response and realized I wasn't clear enough in my initial post so I wanted to clarify .

I know.

backatcha

 

[manifold]

So the Old Testament is not used by Christians?

Not very much.


Pretty much only where creationism (i.e. intelligent design) is concerned.

Oh here we go.....

A lot of intelligent Design people do not believe in creationism. If you have showtime look for a movie by Ben Stein Called Expelled, the difference is explained very well there.

This isn't the first time you've shown yourself to be a dupe. Prolly won't be the last either.

The only remaining question is whether you're a willing dupe.

 

[Dante]

Not very much.


Pretty much only where creationism (i.e. intelligent design) is concerned.

Oh here we go.....

A lot of intelligent Design people do not believe in creationism. If you have showtime look for a movie by Ben Stein Called Expelled, the difference is explained very well there.

This isn't the first time you've shown yourself to be a dupe. Prolly won't be the last either.

The only remaining question is whether you're a willing dupe.

I thought PP was one of your favs?

 

[manifold]

Dupes have their uses too.

But of course you already know that don't you.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Not very much.


Pretty much only where creationism (i.e. intelligent design) is concerned.

Oh here we go.....

A lot of intelligent Design people do not believe in creationism. If you have showtime look for a movie by Ben Stein Called Expelled, the difference is explained very well there.

This isn't the first time you've shown yourself to be a dupe. Prolly won't be the last either.

The only remaining question is whether you're a willing dupe.

Whatever you flat-earther


Did you watch the clip though? Just curious.

Its an interesting proposition and opinion/documentary piece.

 

[hylandrdet]

Yes, they are being punish...

Just like the south westerners that refuse to move everytime a twister hits their home; just like the Californians who refuse to move away from the wildfire regions and just like the Miamians who refuses to move from hurricane alley.

It's not a curse, it's a fact. If you live in an area that is environmentally unstable, you stand a risk of a disaster happening to your home.

I feel bad for these people because they have no choice but to stay where they are.

As for the AIDS issue, that's a matter of choice; choose to use a condom, or roll the dice.

GOD blessed us with a lot of gifts, COMMON SENSE is the most valuable of them all.

The Haitian government needs to invest in protecting their people from natural disasters. Most of the structures there were not built to withstand hurricanes and earthquakes. You don't need GOD to spell that out for you; use common sense and look after your people.

Food for thought.

 

[manifold]

Pee Pee,

I've seen it. It's a pile of horseshit.

Do a little research and you'll see that the whole crockumentary has been debunked.

Ben Stein has whored himself into derisive ridicule.

And if you don't think ID is simply repackaged creationism you're a fool... and then some.

 

[Care4all]

the point was Pat Robertson and his Gays and sin caused Katrina and 911 talk.

yes, this is true.

BUT i know of no Christian on this board, that agreed with pat's assessment...therefore pat is a non issue as far as i'm concerned

...the people who said the bad wildfires in cali a few years back was god punishing them

Hello?

Hello Back!

I already answered you....I said Haiti is NOT being punished by God....Jesus even speaks about this in the new testament when his apostles(of Jewish descent) questioned Him on it. And although I am not an expert on the New Testament, I have read through all of it at least once and other parts a kazillion times, there is no where that I can remember where it says that God will punish people for their sins....He gave up Jesus for our sins, He took our punishment, once and for all.

Yes, people may be punished for their sins in this life, but it is not by God's actions it is by their own actions....You screw around with everyone in the school, then you probably will get some form of VD....or pregnant without knowing the father and have to drop out, living a life in poverty etc...

You cheat on your spouse, then you could end up getting the someone else- pregnant or lose your wife or even job.... God WARNS us of these consequences, this is true...but I personally do not believe God is purposefully doing the harm that comes of your own sins to you...at least not since Jesus was put on the cross for us.

care

 

[Care4all]

Can anyone show me where in the New Testament...the Christian part of the Bible, where it says that God causes Natural Disasters or man made disasters like 9/11 to punish people for their sins?

I thought the New Testament clearly states that JESUS DIED for all of our sins?

Matthew 24:2 & 7-8 & 20-21-22
And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

.......

For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these [are] the beginning of sorrows.

But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

John 16:33
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Act 14-22
Confirming the souls of the disciples, [and] exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

Roman 2:9
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

John 17:9
I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

Jesus did not live to the flesh He crucified the flesh. Who on Earth can say they are better then the king of heaven and earth that they or anyone else will not suffer in the flesh or that nations will not suffer the wrath of God when it is already written and spoken of thousands of years ago?

I see this as PROPHESY of what is going to happen in the end of days....What you reap is what you sow....

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Pee Pee,

I've seen it. It's a pile of horseshit.

Do a little research and you'll see that the whole crockumentary has been debunked.

Ben Stein has whored himself into derisive ridicule.

And if you don't think ID is simply repackaged creationism you're a fool... and then some.

You missed what I said.....ID is different than Creationism.

Creationism says GOD created life. They go by the bible.

Intelligent Design says there was more than just evolution going on, like when albert einstein proved there was more to physics than what Newton discovered...intelligent design people are saying there is more to evolution than what Darwin discovered.

So stop being a flat-earther (I know your not a flat earther but its fun to call you one when you give me this kind of opportunity)

 

[Smartt33]

Is God Punishing Haiti? If he is why?

These are questions I always wonder about when people I know to be Christians, Christians who are bigoted and prejudiced to any and all who differ with their beliefs' experience tragey and pain.

If there is a God, why does he punish Haiti so often? Haitians are, from what I hear, God's side on many issues.

Christian Haitians are vocally anti-abortion choice, anti-gay, anti-gay marrige, anti-man's laws, and anti-_____(fill in the blank).

Yet Haiti in the last few years keeps getting hit with deadly hurricanes, it was hit early with HIV Aids, and horrid poverty and violence, .Haitians were hit with Americans throwing their boat people back onto the island....

Is the Christian God listening?

I am not prejudiced against Haitians. I've done community work with them. I've included Hatian language in videos I made. I've worked in public health on HIV Aids in the Hatian American community. But I wonder what Christians who blame all sort of calamity on victims or innocents...I wonder if their principles and beliefs stand the test of consistency.

Does God punish people with natural disease and disaster? Is God punishing Haiti?

I want to respond before I read any further.

I don't know Hairi's moral history, so what I am about to say is an "if" answer.

If the moral history is basically immoral, and the people worship "other gods," I would say that they also have likely been been abusive in their environment and other parts of national life. (I really have no idea about these tings) This would account for the sins falling upon later generations. The sins of neglect and immorality led to destruction of the environment and maybe even a touch of God's allowing these things to happen combine to create desaster.

However, it may not even be any of that. The earth is changing. Climate is changing and sometimes becoming aggitated. Natural desasters happen.

I personally don't see it as God's judgment on anyone. I believe it is the way the deteriorating earth is going. Scriptures talk about a magnification of these events in the world.

While God allows the good and bad to fall upon everyone, I don't think He necessarily is causing this.

It is very sad. My heart breaks thinking about it.

 

[Dante]

Pee Pee,

I've seen it. It's a pile of horseshit.

Do a little research and you'll see that the whole crockumentary has been debunked.

Ben Stein has whored himself into derisive ridicule.

And if you don't think ID is simply repackaged creationism you're a fool... and then some.

Ben was always a moron. he just became a hit (briefly) with the idiot crowd you hung around in.

 

[rdean]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5TE99sAbwM[/ame]

All the collapsed buildings are a "blessing in disguise".

Haiti made pact with the Devil and the Devil said, "OK, it's a deal".

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The following is Rush complaining because Obama is helping tens of thousands of people. The scale of human misery is astounding and this "Confederate Republican", one of today's leaders of the Republican Party is complaining. Is he, once again, "speaking for the party?" This is right off his own website. The right in this country has gone completely insane.

Obama Leaps into Action on Haiti

BEGIN TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: Here's President Obama speaking about Haiti this morning in Washington at the White House. He held a press conference. Now, I want you to remember, it took him three days to respond to the Christmas Day Fruit of Kaboom Bomber, three days. And when he came out after those three days, he was clearly irritated that he had to do it. He didn't want to do it. He comes out here in less than 24 hours to speak about Haiti.

OBAMA: I have directed my administration to respond with a swift, coordinated, and aggressive effort to save lives. The people of Haiti will have the full support of the United States in the urgent effort to rescue those trapped beneath the rubble and to deliver the humanitarian relief, the food, water, and medicine that Haitians will need in the coming days.

RUSH: Oh, this is what he lives for. He lives for serving those in misery. Now, don't misunderstand here, folks. I don't have the whole press conference, but I wonder did he apologize for America before acknowledging we are the only people on earth that can possibly help 'em out down there in any significant way? By the way, I've checked it out, Cuba has offered nothing. Venezuela has offered nothing. They have nothing to offer. (interruption) Venezuela is going to send 30 people? Well, they're people who want to get out of there anyway because they're having rolling blackouts in Venezuela, in Caracas, which is an oil-driven -- it's the most amazing thing. The vision of our future is right before our eyes in Venezuela. Socialist country, devalued the currency on purpose a couple days ago, putting people in jail if they raise prices as a result of this. We are devaluing our own currency, not as rapidly as Hugo Chavez did but we're doing it with all of our deficit spending and borrowing. At any rate, here's another portion of the president's statement.

 

[JenT]

Pat, I think, is focusing on the fact that this whole planet is destined for a cataclysm of earthquakes, raging seas, wars, plagues, famine, asteroids, etc., those of us who believe the Bible know it says all of these things will happen, and that we'll live in a cashless society and nothing will be bought or sold without a mark on the hand or forehead...and that all the nations will be against Israel which will be a cup of trembling.

And its happening.

So you've got Pat there who lives and breathes focused on God and watching for the return of Christ in the midst of these things and ultimately he knows (as do I) that God is in control.

That clip you showed is surprising to me but I can also see why he's thinking along those lines. He's just not expressing it well.

It's not just Haiti. It's the whole planet. And Pat's not happy about people suffering in Haiti. He's just watching for his Savior and helping out where he can.

 

[rdean]

Pat, I think, is focusing on the fact that this whole planet is destined for a cataclysm of earthquakes, raging seas, wars, plagues, famine, asteroids, etc., those of us who believe the Bible know it says all of these things will happen, and that we'll live in a cashless society and nothing will be bought or sold without a mark on the hand or forehead...and that all the nations will be against Israel which will be a cup of trembling.

And its happening.

So you've got Pat there who lives and breathes focused on God and watching for the return of Christ in the midst of these things and ultimately he knows (as do I) that God is in control.

That clip you showed is surprising to me but I can also see why he's thinking along those lines. He's just not expressing it well.

It's not just Haiti. It's the whole planet. And Pat's not happy about people suffering in Haiti. He's just watching for his Savior and helping out where he can.

While I don't have have any "mystical or occult" beliefs, it's a mystery to me why people would "crawl and beg forgiveness" to a "God" that supposedly already drowned millions of people and nearly every innocent animal on earth.

This fascination with death and destruction coupled with this idea that we are all filled with "imaginary" sins is just too over the top.

 

[xsited1]

Pat, I think, is focusing on the fact that this whole planet is destined for a cataclysm of earthquakes, raging seas, wars, plagues, famine, asteroids, etc., those of us who believe the Bible know it says all of these things will happen, and that we'll live in a cashless society and nothing will be bought or sold without a mark on the hand or forehead...and that all the nations will be against Israel which will be a cup of trembling.

And its happening.

So you've got Pat there who lives and breathes focused on God and watching for the return of Christ in the midst of these things and ultimately he knows (as do I) that God is in control.

That clip you showed is surprising to me but I can also see why he's thinking along those lines. He's just not expressing it well.

It's not just Haiti. It's the whole planet. And Pat's not happy about people suffering in Haiti. He's just watching for his Savior and helping out where he can.

While I don't have have any "mystical or occult" beliefs, it's a mystery to me why people would "crawl and beg forgiveness" to a "God" that supposedly already drowned millions of people and nearly every innocent animal on earth.

This fascination with death and destruction coupled with this idea that we are all filled with "imaginary" sins is just too over the top.

You're a Liberal for Chrissakes!!!! You've probably got more faith in all-things-liberal than any Christian has in God.

 

[Avatar4321]

Robertson is free to say whatever he wants. Doesnt reflect at all on me. I have no clue what he meant. No point defending or attacking him without any knowledge.

 

[JenT]

Pat, I think, is focusing on the fact that this whole planet is destined for a cataclysm of earthquakes, raging seas, wars, plagues, famine, asteroids, etc., those of us who believe the Bible know it says all of these things will happen, and that we'll live in a cashless society and nothing will be bought or sold without a mark on the hand or forehead...and that all the nations will be against Israel which will be a cup of trembling.

And its happening.

So you've got Pat there who lives and breathes focused on God and watching for the return of Christ in the midst of these things and ultimately he knows (as do I) that God is in control.

That clip you showed is surprising to me but I can also see why he's thinking along those lines. He's just not expressing it well.

It's not just Haiti. It's the whole planet. And Pat's not happy about people suffering in Haiti. He's just watching for his Savior and helping out where he can.

While I don't have have any "mystical or occult" beliefs, it's a mystery to me why people would "crawl and beg forgiveness" to a "God" that supposedly already drowned millions of people and nearly every innocent animal on earth.

This fascination with death and destruction coupled with this idea that we are all filled with "imaginary" sins is just too over the top.

God gets no pleasure that any should die, He says so somewhere. This whole life is about calling us to live.

I think all the disasters that are coming is just the result of the Holy Spirit leaving. There will come a time when God finally says, okay, that's it. Everyone that wants to come to the wedding party has come, and then He'll leave us to this planet where so much sin has blackened it beyond recognition from the spiritual point of view.

It's like everyone swimming in the ocean after the Titanic has gone down, get into the life boat or don't, but don't complain when one passes ya by and you refuse to get in. It's been your choice, still is today. Tomorrow, who knows.