Is flag burning a hate crime or protected speech?

[Rigby5]

Wrong

They ( mexico ) did that to themselves

Wrong.
The honest governments in Mexico were destroyed by the US invasions.

 

[Rigby5]

Kinda like the slander or libel people like yourself show towards Trump and his supporters constantly ?

Hate crime laws create a class of protected groups.

Wrong.
The overdone tariffs, foolishly excessive social program cuts, massive military spending increases, ICE abuses, and deficit, caused me to dislike Trump now, but I voted for him before.

Hate crime laws do NOT at all create a class of protected people because they protect EVERYONE from slander and libel that could cause unjustified violence against anyone.

 

[Soupnazi630]

The only war that could be legal since we signed the UN charter in 1945, is if we mount a defense against any attack.
All other wars were outlawed by the UN Charter, and the US congress ratified it into US law.

As for Vietnam, the US has no standing to get involved.
The Vietnamese had just thrown off the French and had arranged a Geneva peace treaty that was to result in a nation wide plebiscite in Vietnam, to elect a single leader.
But the US instead violated the peace accord and backed a dictatorship by Diem.
That is totally illegal in many ways.

With Iraq clearly the US just lied. Saddam had nothing at all to do with al Qaeda, and had no significant WMD.

With Afghanistan, while it is true Osama bin Laden was in Afghanistan, the Taliban had offered to extradite him to Saudi Arabia, which the US refused. So we had no legal right to harm Afghanistan

WRONG and very wrong.

The UN charter does not supercede the constitution which is where legal authrotiy comes from. Congress authorized every war since 1945 and they were all LEGAL.

Yes the US had legal standing standiung to fight in Vietnam.

It was MINH who cancelled that election and invaded south vietnam illegally.

Lying is irrelevant as congress authorized Iraq.

The taliban COULD NOT extradite Bin laden making that war legal

 

[Soupnazi630]

Wrong.
The honest governments in Mexico were destroyed by the US invasions.

No they were not

 

[GLASNOST]

As an African American I personally think that a person using the N word against a Black person should fall under the "fighting words" doctrine .

You asked a legal question. I gave you a legal answer,

No, you did not. You are a racist.

 

[Scoutster]

Protected speech, as is my flying of a rebel flag.

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Agreed! I think people that burn the American flag are idiots but I also accept It’s their right to do so.

 

[GLASNOST]

..... I think people that burn the American flag are idiots ....

That's overstated and I think you know that it is.

 

[Dragonlady]

Protected speech, as is my flying of a rebel flag.

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Yes, you have the right to prove you’re a racist asshole who doesn’t believe that “all men are created equal”.

But don’t expect others to want anything to do with you or your beliefs.

 

[Dragonlady]

Agreed! I think people that burn the American flag are idiots but I also accept It’s their right to do so.

A flag is a piece of cloth. Nothing more. What people do to a piece of cloth is irrelevant and has no meaning whatsoever.

 

[Kondor3]

Yes, you have the right to prove you’re a racist asshole who doesn’t believe that “all men are created equal”.

That's not what a Rebel (Confederate) flag symbolizes for most White Southerners.

What it DOES symbolize is...

• Self-determination
• Rebellious/Independent Spirit
• Status Quo

I understand the mindset; your provinces of Alberta and Saskatchewan and BC are showing signs of such discontent.

The protection of slavery practices was a proximal trigger for war but it was by no means the only or even the dominant one.

Modern-day celebrants of Confederate Heritage are usually NOT racist but, rather, are commemorating brave ancestral heritage.

It's unfortunate that the vast majority of Black Folk see it differently but obscuring it or denigrating it altogether is also wrong.

Had I lived in those times I would have been a "Union Man" through-and-through but I understand and respect those others.

Honoring the bravery and sacrifice of BOTH sides has been the key to Regional Reconciliation in the US for many decades.

Leave it to nasty Democratic Vote Whores to pander to Minority Votes and pretend like they actually give two-$hits about this.

There are also a great many Black Folk in this country whose ancestors either fought-for or voluntarily provided support for the Confederacy and its military campaigns and forces, and others who understand honoring the Confederate heritage.

All else is merely Divisive Intent and Behaviors in the minds of a great many Americans who are good and decent people.

Your time may be better spent in trying to convince Alberta, Saskatchewan and British Columbia to stay in your own Union.

But don’t expect others to want anything to do with you or your beliefs.

Vast numbers of Americans celebrate and honor their Confederate ancestry and roots, openly, proudly and rightfully.

 

[Dragonlady]

Burn a blm or pride flag, Democrats will demand hate crime charge. Burn a Mexican flag and you’re a racist. Burn an American flag and you’re a hero to leftists.

Can you provide instances where Democrats have asked for such charges or cheered the burning of US flags.

MAGA is big in levelling accusations at Democrats snd real short on backing up such claims.

Always accusing Democrats of doing the things Trump is doing. Trump is busy covering up his involvement with Jeffrey Epstein after claiming for years that Democrats were involved with Epstein’s child sex trafficking.

Accusing Biden of accepting bribes, while Trump is openly taking a $300 million bribe from Qatar.

 

[Independent thinker]

Trump's renewed calls to jail American flag burners clashes with court precedent

President Trump proposes one-year jail sentences for burning American flags and claims he's working with Congress on legislation, though flag burning remains constitutionally protected

www.foxnews.com

By Ashley Oliver Fox
President Donald Trump revived calls this week for people who burn American flags to go to jail after demonstrators in California were seen torching them and waving Mexican flags in protest of the administration carrying out immigration enforcement operations in the state.

"I happen to think if you burn an American flag, because they were burning a lot of flags in Los Angeles, I think you go to jail for one year, just automatic," Trump told the New York Post.

Flag burning in the United States is neither unlawful nor unconstitutional. Offenders can only be punished under the law for flag burning if they are committing another crime at the same time, such as violating fire safety laws or burning flags that they stole.

18 U.S.C. 245: Federal Protections Against Hate Crimes

Learn how 18 U.S.C. 245 defines federal protections against hate crimes, outlining enforcement, penalties, and the legal framework for prosecution.

legalclarity.org

Protected Classes​

The law specifically protects individuals from violence or intimidation based on race, color, religion, or national origin when such acts interfere with federally protected activities. These classifications reflect a longstanding commitment to combating discrimination in critical aspects of public life. Unlike some other federal hate crime statutes, this law does not cover bias-motivated crimes based on gender, sexual orientation, disability, or gender identity unless they intersect with other federal protections.

The inclusion of race and national origin builds upon prior civil rights legislation, such as the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which prohibited discrimination in public accommodations and employment. Courts have interpreted these provisions broadly, recognizing that racial animus often manifests in violent attempts to suppress participation in public life. For example, in United States v. Roof, federal prosecutors used hate crime laws to prosecute Dylann Roof for the racially motivated mass shooting at Mother Emanuel AME Church in Charleston.

Religious protections complement other federal statutes, such as the Church Arson Prevention Act, which criminalizes attacks on places of worship. Courts have upheld these protections, emphasizing that individuals must be free to practice their faith without fear of violence. Federal prosecutors have used this statute in cases involving attacks on synagogues, mosques, and churches, reinforcing the government’s role in addressing religiously motivated violence.

Comment:
Flag burning if protected under the 1st amendment.
However flag burning could be considered a hate crime against "national origin"
National origin is a protected class.

I say give it the smell test. If burning a cross in someone's front lawn is a hate crime then so is burning the American flag.

 

[GLASNOST]

MAGA is big in levelling accusations at Democrats.

Because Trump represents the American population. They voted for him. They didn't vote for they lying buggers under the Biden-Harris dishrag of wreckage.

 

[Dragonlady]

That's not what a Rebel (Confederate) flag symbolizes for most White Southerners.

What it DOES symbolize is...

• Self-determination
• Rebellious/Independent Spirit
• Status Quo

I understand the mindset; your provinces of Alberta and Saskatchewan and BC are showing signs of such discontent.

The protection of slavery practices was a proximal trigger for war but it was by no means the only or even the dominant one.

Modern-day celebrants of Confederate Heritage are usually NOT racist but, rather, are commemorating brave ancestral heritage.

It's unfortunate that the vast majority of Black Folk see it differently but obscuring it or denigrating it altogether is also wrong.

Had I lived in those times I would have been a "Union Man" through-and-through but I understand and respect those others.

Honoring the bravery and sacrifice of BOTH sides has been the key to Regional Reconciliation in the US for many decades.

Leave it to nasty Democratic Vote Whores to pander to Minority Votes and pretend like they actually give two-$hits about this.

There are also a great many Black Folk in this country whose ancestors either fought-for or voluntarily provided support for the Confederacy and its military campaigns and forces, and others who understand honoring the Confederate heritage.

All else is merely Divisive Intent and Behaviors in the minds of a great many Americans who are good and decent people.

Your time may be better spent in trying to convince Alberta, Saskatchewan and British Columbia to stay in your own Union.


Vast numbers of Americans celebrate and honor their Confederate ancestry and roots, openly, proudly and rightfully.

Name one other nation in the world which honours and celebrates the people who went to war to destroy their nation.

The three Western Provinces have no discernible desire to leave Canada. Danielle Smith will never be elected to public office again anywhere in Canada.

 

[GLASNOST]

Name one other nation in the world which honours and celebrates the people who went to war to destroy their nation.

Your ideas are childish and you don't seem to understand the difference between creating and destroying. BTW: Have you never heard of Guy Fawkes?

 

[Unkotare]

Yes, you have the right to prove you’re a racist asshole who doesn’t believe that “all men are created equal”.

But don’t expect others to want anything to do with you or your beliefs.

How's the weather in Canada today?

 

[Dragonlady]

How's the weather in Canada today?

Hot. But not nearly as hot as things are getting for Trump on the Epstein files.

 

[Unkotare]

Hot....

How hot?

 

[Kondor3]

Name one other nation in the world which honours and celebrates the people who went to war to destroy their nation.

I cannot. Nor does it matter. We are America. We are unique. We rule and celebrate ourselves in ways of our own choosing.

The three Western Provinces have no discernible desire to leave Canada. Danielle Smith will never be elected to public office again anywhere in Canada.

We shall see. If those Western Province premiers show good economic results their good political fortune will be assured.

Results matter... not the bull$hit Woke-a$$ promises of Ottawa.

 

[Dragonlady]

Because Trump represents the American population. They voted for him. They didn't vote for they lying buggers under the Biden-Harris dishrag of wreckage.

No they didn't. Half of the voters in America voted for someone other than Trump.

He couldn't even get 50% of the vote, in ANY election.