Zone1 Is Feminism Destroying the West?

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Yes, I did. It's misogynistic/political crap.

You want it to be all the women's fault and it just isn't.

You want it to be all the Democrat's fault and again, it just isn't.

TRUE.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Men are not owed appreciation or for someone to be mindful of their needs.

Men built societies and protect them. Women can’t do that. Only in a 1st world paradise can this 3rd wave feminism exist. Men give women this great society to live in, and all that our feminist society can do is demonize men? No. Appreciation is warranted. Men are good, especially strong ones.

If they cant handle modern times then stay single. It isnt a bad thing for men and women to remain single. It doesnt affect anything.

It does:
1. It makes people (especially women) less happy
2. It decreases replacement
3. It alienates the sexes
4. It’s horrible for children

 

[Ringo]

In the 21st century, modern men have to earn 10 times more than their fathers, to date a girl 10 times worse than their mothers.

 

[initforme]

Men built societies and protect them. Women can’t do that. Only in a 1st world paradise can this 3rd wave feminism exist. Men give women this great society to live in, and all that our feminist society can do is demonize men? No. Appreciation is warranted. Men are good, especially strong ones.

It does:
1. It makes people (especially women) less happy
2. It decreases replacement
3. It alienates the sexes
4. It’s horrible for children

1) maybe for some, but not for all. Some women dont need nor want a relationship and that has no consequences on anything.

2) Thats just people getting smarter and not having kids they dont want or cant afford. Its not a bad thing.

3) i dont buy into the alienating thinhthose that want a relationship have zero problems finding one.. Those that dont want one all the power to them. They owe nobody anything.

4) dont have kids you dont want. Now less kids are being born and its all of a sudden a crisis. Not buying that either.

 

[Calgon]

yes

 

[Leo123]

1) maybe for some, but not for all. Some women dont need nor want a relationship and that has no consequences on anything.

2) Thats just people getting smarter and not having kids they dont want or cant afford. Its not a bad thing.

3) i dont buy into the alienating thinhthose that want a relationship have zero problems finding one.. Those that dont want one all the power to them. They owe nobody anything.

4) dont have kids you dont want. Now less kids are being born and its all of a sudden a crisis. Not buying that either.

There always have been old maids but that is not the norm nor should it be.

Our government has seen fit to support single women with children which exacerbates irresponsible sex. With all the contraceptives available today, one wonders why so many women get pregnant and then don't want the child. Aside from rape, which is a horrendous crime, it is the woman's choice not to use contraceptives and therefore should bear all the responsibility, IMO

If one doesn't want a relationship then they can just not have one. That ain't rocket science however, I think that there is something mentally wrong with those not recognizing that having relationships is part of a normal life.

We are below replacement numbers in our population right now. That's just fact whether or not you 'buy' it or not.

 

[initforme]

There always have been old maids but that is not the norm nor should it be.

Our government has seen fit to support single women with children which exacerbates irresponsible sex. With all the contraceptives available today, one wonders why so many women get pregnant and then don't want the child. Aside from rape, which is a horrendous crime, it is the woman's choice not to use contraceptives and therefore should bear all the responsibility, IMO

If one doesn't want a relationship then they can just not have one. That ain't rocket science however, I think that there is something mentally wrong with those not recognizing that having relationships is part of a normal life.

We are below replacement numbers in our population right now. That's just fact whether or not you 'buy' it or not.

Whats normal for one is not normal for another. There is nothing mentally wrong with not wanting to be married. Its better to stay single and not be married with kids if one doesnt want that. And a growing number of young people dont want that whether you buy into it or not. Theres no way to reverse the trend right now. Its going to continue to drop. When it drops below one kid per female perhaps the leaders of this nation figure out having kids for millions of married people arent affordable.

 

[Leo123]

Whats normal for one is not normal for another. There is nothing mentally wrong with not wanting to be married. Its better to stay single and not be married with kids if one doesnt want that. And a growing number of young people dont want that whether you buy into it or not. Theres no way to reverse the trend right now. Its going to continue to drop. When it drops below one kid per female perhaps the leaders of this nation figure out having kids for millions of married people arent affordable.

Excuse me but that is total nonsense. Normal for humans is to have hetero sex which creates new human beings. It is abnormal not to do that. That being said, there will always be abnormal humans and to recognize that abnormality is normal and good. That way we don't confuse abnormal with normal as is being done today.

Norms build a functional society, abnormality seen as normal breeds chaos. The only reason having children to day is 'not affordable' is because women diluted the work force. In the past, a man could get married have children and work a job with wages that would support his wife and family. That is not possible today because of feminism which had denigrated the role of homemaker, wife and mother which really should be the most important job of all.

 

[initforme]

Excuse me but that is total nonsense. Normal for humans is to have hetero sex which creates new human beings. It is abnormal not to do that. That being said, there will always be abnormal humans and to recognize that abnormality is normal and good. That way we don't confuse abnormal with normal as is being done today.

Norms build a functional society, abnormality seen as normal breeds chaos. The only reason having children to day is 'not affordable' is because women diluted the work force. In the past, a man could get married have children and work a job with wages that would support his wife and family. That is not possible today because of feminism which had denigrated the role of homemaker, wife and mother which really should be the most important job of all.

You blame women entering the workforce? Surely, you jest. Not buying that. They entered the workforce because they were forced to. One income was no longer possible to raise kids. People are figuring out that barely hanging on money wise is no way to live. So they continue to work . You expect people to live on less to sacrifice to have kids and a growing number are saying nope not going to do that. Andbi have zero problems with that choice and nor should anuone else.

 

[Leo123]

You blame women entering the workforce? Surely, you jest. Not buying that. They entered the workforce because they were forced to. One income was no longer possible to raise kids. People are figuring out that barely hanging on money wise is no way to live. So they continue to work . You expect people to live on less to sacrifice to have kids and a growing number are saying nope not going to do that. Andbi have zero problems with that choice and nor should anuone else.

Yes, Feminists forced women into the workforce by shaming 'house wives.' They told women it was more important to climb the corporate ladder. One income worked fine until feminism. Even after WWII where women flooded the workforce for necessity they went back to stay at at home wives and mothers. It was only decades later that feminism was ushered in.

IMO it's better for young married couples to have children while they are young and if that means the man has to work harder, so be it. That's what men do.

 

[initforme]

Yes, Feminists forced women into the workforce by shaming 'house wives.' They told women it was more important to climb the corporate ladder. One income worked fine until feminism. Even after WWII where women flooded the workforce for necessity they went back to stay at at home wives and mothers. It was only decades later that feminism was ushered in.

IMO it's better for young married couples to have children while they are young and if that means the man has to work harder, so be it. That's what men do.

I think its better to wait to marry and have kids until one is financially sound. A nice big nest egg before marriage is the best route. And since theres a good chance the marriage will fail its also wise to achieve a degree or training so when the marriage does fail one has means to good pay. More and more young people are wisely following this advice. Its a fast growing trend.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

1) maybe for some, but not for all. Some women dont need nor want a relationship and that has no consequences on anything.

2) Thats just people getting smarter and not having kids they dont want or cant afford. Its not a bad thing.

3) i dont buy into the alienating thinhthose that want a relationship have zero problems finding one.. Those that dont want one all the power to them. They owe nobody anything.

4) dont have kids you dont want. Now less kids are being born and its all of a sudden a crisis. Not buying that either.

You're confusing what can happen to what society should support.

The best outcomes for women as far as happiness are those who get married and have children. The worst outcomes are single and childless. It's also true that the best outcomes for children are under a male/female married household.

Yet, our society celebrates women rejecting marriage, men, and children (or divorcing and splitting families for their happiness)... and then leaves them hanging when they are 48 and lonely. Women and men are different, women in general have wiring to nurture and take care of children. They are being sold a fraud by being told to act like men.. be all business, focus on making money, put your personal/romantic life on hold until you're 30+.. all of those heavily cause a large amount of women to remain single and lonely.

Women aren't happy and don't get the same internal fulfillment of working long hours as men do (Men are wired to work and find gratification in it even if its grueling). Women in general seek safer jobs, desire to work less hours, etc. We know this.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

I think its better to wait to marry and have kids until one is financially sound. A nice big nest egg before marriage is the best route. And since theres a good chance the marriage will fail its also wise to achieve a degree or training so when the marriage does fail one has means to good pay. More and more young people are wisely following this advice. Its a fast growing trend.

The problem for women is:

1. They get a certain amount of attention when they are 21-27 years old from certain men.
2. They kick marriage down the road and focus on their career, their travel, their self-discovery (or whatever)
3. They come back at 31+ years old and say "okay, I'm ready to settle down with the men I used to attract"
4. They find out that those men that they want generally aren't seeking them anymore.
5. They are encouraged by the single sisterhood to never "settle" for an "average man" (when they themselves are likely average, most people are)
6. They get sex and attention from the men they want, but they can't get commitment, and they get bitter about it.
7. They feed their dopamine/attention fix online from pathetic desperate men that they don't want.
8. They remain single, frustrated, and wondering "where all the guys went".

Well, she rejected them when she could have had them, and instead prioritized her career and goals. That likely sacrifices her ability to get the premium guy she wants. Women are often told directly or indirectly that they can "have it all" when they generally can't. They have a biological clock, they have a peak attraction status early on (men gain attraction status over time). Women have to strike while the iron is hot to get what they want, but people like you are encouraging them to use strategies that will set up more and more women for failure where they wish they could succeed.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Yes, Feminists forced women into the workforce by shaming 'house wives.'

It's so obnoxiously obvious when you talk to any leftist/feminist.. they so begrudgingly refer to house wives and say "It's okay to be a housewife... BUT" ... and then they go into straight up trashing everything about them.

It's like.. clearly it's not okay to you, so cut the BS. Most feminists tie being a wife to being oppressed under some authoritarian patriarchal society... when as far as messaging we live in a rabidly feminist society. Men aren't much supported or celebrated. Quite the contrary, they're pointed to as a problem, and their "masculinity" causes bad things.

If we didn't have men and strong masculinity, we'd all still be living in straw houses and huts.

 

[Leo123]

The problem for women is:

1. They get a certain amount of attention when they are 21-27 years old from certain men.
2. They kick marriage down the road and focus on their career, their travel, their self-discovery (or whatever)
3. They come back at 31+ years old and say "okay, I'm ready to settle down with the men I used to attract"
4. They find out that those men that they want generally aren't seeking them anymore.
5. They are encouraged by the single sisterhood to never "settle" for an "average man" (when they themselves are likely average, most people are)
6. They get sex and attention from the men they want, but they can't get commitment, and they get bitter about it.
7. They feed their dopamine/attention fix online from pathetic desperate men that they don't want.
8. They remain single, frustrated, and wondering "where all the guys went".

Well, she rejected them when she could have had them, and instead prioritized her career and goals. That likely sacrifices her ability to get the premium guy she wants. Women are often told directly or indirectly that they can "have it all" when they generally can't. They have a biological clock, they have a peak attraction status early on (men gain attraction status over time). Women have to strike while the iron is hot to get what they want, but people like you are encouraging them to use strategies that will set up more and more women for failure where they wish they could succeed.

Women left the gates to their vaginas wide open thanks to feminism. The rest is history.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Women left the gates to their vaginas wide open thanks to feminism. The rest is history.

Yes, the sexual revolution for women F’d them Over more than anything.. for women it’s easy to have sex. For men it’s generally difficult to get a woman to have sex. Women are celebrating something that’s easy, and that subconsciously imprints on them whether they want it or not (unlike men, who can have sex without the deep emotional connection)

now they are coping hard with ideological tropes but it won’t work over time

 

[initforme]

Yes, the sexual revolution for women F’d them Over more than anything.. for women it’s easy to have sex. For men it’s generally difficult to get a woman to have sex. Women are celebrating something that’s easy, and that subconsciously imprints on them whether they want it or not (unlike men, who can have sex without the deep emotional connection)

now they are coping hard with ideological tropes but it won’t work over time

Not all people make their life decisions based on sex drive. Some are happy without it.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Not all people make their life decisions based on sex drive. Some are happy without it.

That’s not the issue.

It’s the ones that do.. do they give it up easy and transactional (act like men) or do they stay selective and feminine? Leftists and feminists think it’s empowering and encourage women to get plowed in their late teens and early 20’s to “gain experience” and enjoy life or whatever. The problem is we see that the more partners women have, the less they are able to stay in relationships, the more they split families, and the more they harm their children by doing so.. and they increase their depression.

We should encourage women to be house wives.. you always sprint to the exception to evade the point

 

[Blaster]

Most liberal men sit with their legs crossed just like a woman.

 

[Leo123]

Not all people make their life decisions based on sex drive. Some are happy without it.

Citing the few is not a viable stance.