Is democracy good?

[Woodznutz]

As most people know, "democracy" is simply a catch-all term that is used to describe the ability and authority of the people to vote for what they want. Yes, a "republic" is not the same. A "republic" is a form of democracy in which elected representatives are given the authority to exercise the power given to them by the vote.

So the term "democracy", when used in normal discussion by normal people, can certainly be interpreted as "republic" in context.

The troubling thing here is often the regular dishonest parsing of the term seems to always come from those Americans who prefer something closer to fascism than a democracy or a republic. It's almost as if they're trying to downplay or decay the legitimacy of the vote in favor of pure top-down control of the populace.

True.
Democracy: Mob rule.
Representative democracy: Cooler heads prevail.

 

[Correll]

As most people know, "democracy" is simply a catch-all term that is used to describe the ability and authority of the people to vote for what they want. Yes, a "republic" is not the same. A "republic" is a form of democracy in which elected representatives are given the authority to exercise the power given to them by the vote.

So the term "democracy", when used in normal discussion by normal people, can certainly be interpreted as "republic" in context.

The troubling thing here is often the regular dishonest parsing of the term seems to always come from those Americans who prefer something closer to fascism than a democracy or a republic. It's almost as if they're trying to downplay or decay the legitimacy of the vote in favor of pure top-down control of the populace.

Sounds good.

If you were new to the planet and didn't know that the man speaking out against democracy was recently MURDERED by the side that talks a lot of shit about "democracy:".

 

[berg80]

The guy was speaking out in favor of free speech and civil political discourse and your side murdered him in the street.


He is certainly an American Hero.

"My side" isn't responsible for Kirk's murder just as "your side" isn't responsible for trying to cave in Pelosi's husband's head with a hammer.

In promoting a story on the murder of Kirk—headlined “Charlie Kirk killing deepens America’s violent spiral”—Axios described him as a “fierce champion of the right to free expression” whose “voice was silenced by an assassin’s bullet.” New York Times opinion columnist Ezra Klein, wrote, “You can dislike much of what Kirk believed and the following statement is still true: Kirk was practicing politics in exactly the right way. He was showing up to campuses and talking with anyone who would talk to him. He was one of the era’s most effective practitioners of persuasion.” Klein added that he “envied” the political movement Kirk built and praised “his moxie and fearlessness.”

Here’s the problem: Kirk built that movement with falsehoods. And his advocacy was laced with racist and bigoted statements. Recognizing this does not diminish the awfulness of this act of violence. Nor does it lessen our outrage or diminish our sympathy for his family, friends, and colleagues. Yet if this is an appropriate moment to assess Kirk and issue bold statements about his participation in America’s political life, there ought to be room for a true discussion.

 

[Correll]

"My side" isn't responsible for Kirk's murder just as "your side" isn't responsible for trying to cave in Pelosi's husband's head with a hammer.

YOUR side has been using violence and the threat of violence as a political tool for quite some time and my side has not.

YOU ARE THE BAD GUYS IN THIS STORY.

In promoting a story on the murder of Kirk—headlined “Charlie Kirk killing deepens America’s violent spiral”—Axios described him as a “fierce champion of the right to free expression” whose “voice was silenced by an assassin’s bullet.” New York Times opinion columnist Ezra Klein, wrote, “You can dislike much of what Kirk believed and the following statement is still true: Kirk was practicing politics in exactly the right way. He was showing up to campuses and talking with anyone who would talk to him. He was one of the era’s most effective practitioners of persuasion.” Klein added that he “envied” the political movement Kirk built and praised “his moxie and fearlessness.”

True.

Here’s the problem: Kirk built that movement with falsehoods. And his advocacy was laced with racist and bigoted statements. Recognizing this does not diminish the awfulness of this act of violence. Nor does it lessen our outrage or diminish our sympathy for his family, friends, and colleagues. Yet if this is an appropriate moment to assess Kirk and issue bold statements about his participation in America’s political life, there ought to be room for a true discussion.

False. Kirk was not racist nor bigoted. Anyone that claims he was is full of shit.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Here’s the problem: Kirk built that movement with falsehoods. And his advocacy was laced with racist and bigoted statements. Recognizing this does not diminish the awfulness of this act of violence. Nor does it lessen our outrage or diminish our sympathy for his family, friends, and colleagues. Yet if this is an appropriate moment to assess Kirk and issue bold statements about his participation in America’s political life, there ought to be room for a true discussion.

Your honor the victim was dressed entirely too proactively and got what she deserved.

 

[berg80]

YOUR side has been using violence and the threat of violence as a political tool for quite some time and my side has not.

The FBI's statistics disagree.

AI Overview

Officials from the FBI and Department of Homeland Security (DHS) have consistently assessed that domestic violent extremism, particularly from white supremacists and anti-government "right-wing" groups, is the most persistent and lethal domestic terrorism threat to the United States.

 

[Correll]

The FBI's statistics disagree.

AI Overview

Officials from the FBI and Department of Homeland Security (DHS) have consistently assessed that domestic violent extremism, particularly from white supremacists and anti-government "right-wing" groups, is the most persistent and lethal domestic terrorism threat to the United States.

Yeah, that stat is clearly bullshit constructed by a political government.

We can see the riots and the shut down speechs.

YOur side is the one using violence, not ours. So far at least.

 

[Winco]

Winco, I can vouch you that you never killed Charlie Kirk. But so long as you support Democrats, others will accuse you since the killer was a devout Democrat.

LOLLOLL
When is the trial for Tyler Robinson?

Oh, and the Butler incident was CLEARY staged, with trump not caring about collateral damage.
So FAKE.

1). If the blood was real (it was fake) then how did trumps ear suffer no lasting damage?

2). How did the photographer get the perfect picture of trump raising his fist, with the LOWERED in PLACE US flag in the background?


So fake.

 

[rightwinger]

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what’s for supper

 

[Robert W]

LOLLOLL
When is the trial for Tyler Robinson?

Oh, and the Butler incident was CLEARY staged, with trump not caring about collateral damage.
So FAKE.

1). If the blood was real (it was fake) then how did trumps ear suffer no lasting damage?

2). How did the photographer get the perfect picture of trump raising his fist, with the LOWERED in PLACE US flag in the background?


So fake.

Why are you upset that I vouched for you, that you never killed Charlie Kirk?
The killer of Kirk will face trial soon enough and my bet is he will plea deal into a prison stay.
This has nothing to do with Trump.

 

[Winco]

YOur side is the one using violence, not ours. So far at least.

Never forget J6.


You fight so hard to blame others for the trump led J6 insurrection attempt.





And your Proud Boys made you very happy that day in Charlotte.

 

[pal]

Free speech is legal in Western realm in democratic and bourgeois continents, this is appreciated with democracy, one of the good things with progressive.

 

[Edgetho]

Maybe you shoud ask a democracy? We are not one. We are a watered-down Republic. A Democracy is just Mob-Rule by another name.

Not trying to be a dick (it just sometimes works out that way) but we need to be specific. We are a Republic. Republics usually last longer than any other form of government. For a reason.

Athens thought they were a democracy but they really weren't. Rome was a Republic until Julius Caesar. Then it became a mess. But still strong because of the remnants of the Republic running the day to day activities. The Byzantine Empire was sort of a Republican Monarchy. Much like Rome after Caesar. Caesar was actually the bad guy and Antony was the good guy. The Brits, (Shakespeare, etc) shit be upon them, liked the idea of portraying Caesar as the good guy because he was a Monarchist, an Emperor, not elected by anybody. Just like them; shit be upon them.

We are a Republic. If we can keep it (H/T Ben Franklin)

 

[Winco]

Why are you upset that I vouched for you, that you never killed Charlie Kirk?

You are a JOKE.
You vouched for me.....LOLLLLOOLOLLLLL
Someone other than TR wanted CK dead.
Who might that be Robert?




Why is trumps ear not showing damage?
His ear was shot, right?
Yet no damage.

SO FAKE.

 

[Edgetho]

Nouns and other words, human inventions, are nothing in themselves other than a verbal expression of human thoughts, concepts, ideas. As such, they are only "good" or "bad" in relation to human intent. "Democracy", as a development in human society, was a step toward advanced civilization and away from pure brute rule. The problem today is that, as with so many words and terms, it has been so bantered about and misused that the mere mention becomes a point of binary divergence. Democratic processes can be demeaned by simple association with the base word "democracy" that certain interests would tie only to negative connotations. Further, the political motivation to associate social and democratic movements to demented political ends such as Bolshevism or Nazism have torn discussion apart to such lengths that any conversation is immediately reduced to "my side" or "your side".

You did really well until this Grade School babble.

It kind of ruined everything before it. Too bad.

Human hearts hold the source of good or bad intentions. The human mind is the source of regulations on the heart's vulnerabilities. Consciousness would keep all this in check in persons of sound mind. Unfortunately, the world is infested with persons lacking essential primal parts of what make true human beings, and these people assume positions of power that condemn us all to suffering.

 

[Edgetho]

That is an opinion not everyone shares. I'm with David Corn.

No, Charlie Kirk was not practicing politics the right way

His assassination deserves full condemnation; his full impact should not be sidestepped.

www.motherjones.com

It isn't so much that you are stupid, it's that you expect anybody else to read that total pile of shit.

 

[Votto]

That's not honesty. It's one-sided, self righteous, horseshit. Here's why.

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Dotard's offspring put up that post. It was followed by this.

User Clip: Trump Mocks Paul Pelosi Attack

Trump Mocks Paul Pelosi Attack

www.c-span.org

And this.

Arizona GOP nominee Kari Lake mocks attack on Paul Pelosi at campaign event​

Arizona GOP nominee Kari Lake mocks attack on Paul Pelosi at campaign event

The remark by the candidate for governor drew laughter from the crowd. The House speaker’s husband remains in intensive care.

www.nbcnews.com

An honest remark would look like this. "To be honest, the shooter does not really concern me. What concerns me are the political forces out there that prompted it, dehumanizing political opponents by both sides until the mentally deranged acted upon their accusations."

You are comparing Trump mocking Pelosi to 1/3 of the DNC wishing Trump had been assassinated and also dancing in the streets once Charlie was assassinated?

Incidentally, both attacks were instigated by feeding Legacy media the notion Trump is Hitler for the last decade or so.

Not even close to being similar.

 

[there4eyeM]

A republic, as anyone possessing a dictionary would know, is a sub-set of democracy.

 

[sartre play]

You must be young, ALL my life & most every AMERICAN used the word DEMOCRACY as a good word.
Until someone decided it sounded to DEMOCRATIC.

 

[Marchimedes]

Is democracy good?​

No.

Democracy is two(2) Klu Klux Klanners and an African American gentleman voting on what to do with a length of rope.