Has Trump Destroyed Democracy?

[M14 Shooter]

The United States of America is a Representative Republic. The word "democracy" is NO-WHERE in our Constitution.

Democracy, in the context of the United States, exists only as far as the election of Representatives and Senators to Congress.
That's it.

 

[Captain Caveman]

The United States of America is a Representative Republic. The word "democracy" is NO-WHERE in our Constitution.

In the constitution or not, that means feck all. The Founding Fathers were bakes, that's why there's a plethora of threads fighting over the constitution wording.

 

[SeaMajor7]

In the constitution or not, that means feck all. The Founding Fathers were bakes, that's why there's a plethora of threads fighting over the constitution wording.

You should be more concerned about your country committing suicide.

 

[Captain Caveman]

You should be more concerned about your country committing suicide.

You mongs are streets ahead on that shizwar.

 

[LibertyWeeps]

When you vote for someone to represent you, that's called Representative Democracy, the rest in the US is a Republic. So the US is both.

Yeah, but its the Democracy (where the oligarcy rule all), that they represent.

It's not the same as what being democratic is.

 

[CowboyTed]

Democrats already stacked courts and silenced media. Didn't see you gripe about that.

Get real...

That is a RW media sounding off...

How about doing some research... Big Corporate Media owns the Media and they are all being told to bend the knee or he will hurt profits and mergers...

Mitch has been stacking the courts for decades...

 

[Independent thinker]

Get real...

That is a RW media sounding off...

How about doing some research... Big Corporate Media owns the Media and they are all being told to bend the knee or he will hurt profits and mergers...

Mitch has been stacking the courts for decades...

Big media is being told to report fairly and without a bias and you can’t stand that. What did Mitch do that was illegal?

 

[SweetTea]

I don't think that's how I would describe it.

He has taken the country into the sewer, he has enabled and emboldened the worst in us, he has dissolved all standards of behavior, he has destroyed relationships, marriages and families, he has perverted our institutions and put them at significant risk, he has disgraced us on the world stage, and he has numbed us all to lying, deceit, malice, indecency and cruelty.

There is no word or phrase to describe that.

In your mind, he is also responsible for the tree that fell on your fence, the toilet clog you had the other day and let’s not forget your dog’s death.

You, and others that suffer from the same illness, need a psychiatrist.

 

[CowboyTed]

The one thing that bothers me about Trump concerning democracy is his non-denial to run for or get elected to another term in office. There may be some legal way to do it, such as declaring a national emergency of some kind and cancelling or delaying the 2028 elections. Plus, he wants to end the Senate filibuster so he can pass legislation that he wants without interference from the democrats. The filibuster is there to allow the minority a voice and some power to restrain majority rule. Certainly, democracy is about majority rule, but you don't want to totally shut out the minority party.

On the democrat side, they have already tried once to abolish the filibuster and will do so again once they are back in power. Do not delude yourselves that such can't happen, sooner or later it can and will. In addition, they have floated ideas to admit Puerto Rico and DC as states, stack the Supreme Court with more progressive liberal justices, and change the electoral process to a popular vote. All of that and more means they are IMHO a bigger threat to democracy than Trump or the GOP.

The Democrats have won the popular vote for President every time since except 1992... That is 7 Democratic wins to 2 for GOP... Look mat the Supreme Court 6 v 3 to GOP... That is not very Democratic. It is pretty horrendous... The SC doesn't represent the people and is clear weighted to be far more pro corporate and less respect for individual rights... Social issues are the red herring..

GOP aren't even trying to win votes now, they are siding on Media Control and suppressing voting... They are not looking to rule under the will of the people.

Trump has the lowest winning margin in 25 years and the third lowest in Modern history. He is ruling like he won by 20% instead of 1.5% on a pretty bad Democrat candidate.

As for DC and Puerto Rico becoming states... Is someone from Wyoming allowed a Senate representative but not DC... DC has a larger population Wyoming and Vermont and isn't that far behind Alaska... Puerto Rico has more people living in it than Kansas or Arkansas, are they no American Citizens that deserve to representation... Yes they will probably be Democratic, but Wyoming is GOP, there votes are there to be won.

I am absolutely in favour of total reform. Multi Seat Districts with preference voting, this should give US 7-8 major parties.. IT would mean that US would be run mainly by Coalition's with programs for government... No major swings left or right, nonsense politics...
I would also kill the lobbying industry like it is in Europe. Politicians should work for the people not campaign donors...
I would also re-enact the fairness document in media. We have to stop the tribal media which is dividing us, we need real facts and no our own version of facts.

 

[Mac1958]

 

[M14 Shooter]

Get real...
That is a RW media sounding off...

Look at you, ignoring the truth.

 

[hadit]

Well, Harris and the dems kept on saying in the 2024 election that Trump will destroy democracy if elected. So, here we are over one year into Trump's 2nd presidency and those who said that in 2024 are now looking forward to the midterms. So, it seems pretty obvious that Trump did not destroy democracy after all. If he had, there would be nothing to look forward to for democrats. And, even if you continue claiming that Trump is on his way to destroying democracy but that he just hasn't done it yet then I still ask you the same question. If Trump will have desroyed democracy by the end of this four year term then what good does it do for you to look forward to the midterms if democracy is going to be destroyed anyway, even if you win? Will you now apologize for lying about that?

If they win the mid-terms on destroyed democracy, they should be honor bound to resign their new seats immediately.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The Democrats have won the popular vote for President every time since except 1992...

The fact your statement is a lie notwithstanding...
You are completely ignorant of the electoral process here in the US - the popular vote doesn't matter, as the people do not elect the President -- and thus, democracy does not have anything to do with it.

The SC doesn't represent the people...

Correct.
The SC does not represent the people.

GOP aren't even trying to win votes now, they are siding on Media Control and suppressing voting...

Another lie.

Trump has the lowest winning margin in 25 years and the third lowest in Modern history. He is ruling like he won by 20% instead of 1.5% on a pretty bad Democrat candidate.

Elections have consequences. When you win, you get to do what you want.

As for DC and Puerto Rico becoming states... Is someone from Wyoming allowed a Senate representative but not DC...

Under the US constitution, DC cannot be a state.

 

[Cellblock2429]

I don't think that's how I would describe it.

He has taken the country into the sewer, he has enabled and emboldened the worst in us, he has dissolved all standards of behavior, he has destroyed relationships, marriages and families, he has perverted our institutions and put them at significant risk, he has disgraced us on the world stage, and he has numbed us all to lying, deceit, malice, indecency and cruelty.

There is no word or phrase to describe that.

/---/ It would be awesome if you could prove any of that.

WAITING
WAITING
STILL WAITING/

 

[CowboyTed]

Work by way local Government mandate.

So it wasn't federal government. thanks... Argue that locally.

Myself

So if you get cancer, you have $250k in your account...

American Citizens have realised that they will not let you die even though you are wreak less and selfish... They don't think you deserve the death penalty for being foolish

During pandemic, people were prohibited from gathering for worship and religious services while people gathered in masses to protest and destroy cities.

You have a selective memory.

Churches are indoor...

Protests were outdoor...

Churches by that time had restricted indoor with reduced capacity...

Outdoor sermons were not curbed and were actually encouraged

 

[LeftofLeft]

So it wasn't federal government. thanks... Argue that locally.

So if you get cancer, you have $250k in your account...

American Citizens have realised that they will not let you die even though you are wreak less and selfish... They don't think you deserve the death penalty for being foolish


Churches are indoor...

Protests were outdoor...

Churches by that time had restricted indoor with reduced capacity...

Outdoor sermons were not curbed and were actually encouraged

What was the difference of 50-100 people being indoor at a Church masked up and properly distant vs. thousands of people outdoors not socially distant with as many as a third NOT masked up?

Inconsistent.

 

[IDIOCRACY]

My TDS runneth over.

 

[CowboyTed]

The fact your statement is a lie notwithstanding...
You are completely ignorant of the electoral process here in the US - the popular vote doesn't matter, as the people do not elect the President -- and thus, democracy does not have anything to do with it.

But it is the will of the people....
Majority of Americans wanted Hillary Clinton to be President, not Trump...

Trump never behaved or understood that.

Correct.
The SC does not represent the people.

Maybe they should especially in a country where the Constitution is effectively dead. It has had a substantial change in 50 years or 20% of the life of the country.

This fundamentally shows that ways to change the US constitution needs amending.. For example: Ireland has had 27 changes since US last one.. Which country is staying ahead in modern timse?

Another lie.

Read the documents. Look at the Voter Fraud debate, GOP are trying to make more difficult for people vote under an excuse of Voter Fraud..
But Voter Fraud is close to non existent... GOP keep touting that non citizens are voting but only handful have been produced.

US problem is Voter Turnout, needs to be higher especially among the young..

Elections have consequences. When you win, you get to do what you want.

Actually you don't....
Trump regularly bypasses Congress... He got US in a war with Iran, where was the congressional approval?

His actions were led by Isreal and it push the price of energy through the roof.

He then states, how could anyone have known? The Senate and Congress intelligence committees knew but you did go to them like it told you in the Constitution.

Under the US constitution, DC cannot be a state.

Constitution doesn't say that...

It says there should be an area but doesn't state that it should be that populous... DC has a bigger population than two states...

What your excuse for Puerto Rico?

 

[CowboyTed]

What was the difference of 50-100 people being indoor at a Church masked up and properly distant vs. thousands of people outdoors not socially distant with as many as a third NOT masked up?

Inconsistent.

The thinking at the time was that it is hard to distance yourself in closed places.

This was the thinking early in the Pandemic...

1.3m Americans died. There was only so much States could do.

Also rem, it was Trump that was in charge. It was his health services teams giving the advise...

 

[LeftofLeft]

The thinking at the time was that it is hard to distance yourself in closed places.

This was the thinking early in the Pandemic...

1.3m Americans died. There was only so much States could do.

Also rem, it was Trump that was in charge. It was his health services teams giving the advise...

I remember the thinking at the time and remember thinking the same today that the same people that were enraged over indoor gatherings despite social distancing and masks and even some outdoor gatherings, had no problem with masses standing cheek to cheek with as many as a third were without masks. There was no issue with mass protests at the height of the pandemic - FULL OF SHIT.