Is Bowe Bergdahl a disgrace to the Uniform he wore?

[Peach]

No.

Actually, it's American conservatives who don't know all the facts and have condemned Sgt Bergdahl without even giving him a chance to tell his story who are the disgrace. They're modern-day anti-American conservatives who are more likely to take the word of the Taliban than they are to give an American POW the benefit of the doubt.

Would conservatives of the 1970s and 80s be taking this kind of position against an American soldier if the Soviet Union was releasing propaganda statements against an American soldier? I don't think so. How about conservatives of the 1940s when America was fighting Nazis and the Empire of Japan? Would THOSE conservatives take the word of the propaganda apparatus of those totalitarian regimes? I think not. But today is different.

Why? Because it gives them an opportunity to assail a commander-in-chief who's a president not of their choosing. That's why.

Ever hear of E Pluribus Unum? It means "Out of many, ONE! It doesn't just mean people from many countries make the one country that is America. It implies that we, conservatives and liberals, are ALL Americans. Modern-day American conservatives no longer believe that. If you think I'm wrong, recall former Republican VP candidate, Sarah Palin. When she was campaigning for office in 2008, when she went to certain parts of the country which were/are more conservative politically than other parts of the country, Palin referred to these areas as the REAL America. Really, Sarah? I don't remember seeing degrees of citizenship in the US Constitution anywhere. Americans who don't share your views are JUST as American as you are, Sarah. Maybe more so considering most Americans don't flirt with a separatist political party like the Alaskan Independence Party like Sarah's husband, Todd, did who was a member of the AIP from 1995 until 2002.

The modern-day anti-American attitudes and sentiments of the conservative movement is shameful and I call on ALL Americans to renounce that unpatriotic movement.

Let's see, Mustangs opinion ensconced in anti conservative rant......or the statements of everyone he serve with CONFIRMING he walked away from his poat....


Gosh this is a tough choice....

Who's 'everyone'?

And I look forward to these "guys" testifying under oath during a trial.

Don't you?

I look forward to military justice, trial or no trial.

 

[Antares]

No.

Actually, it's American conservatives who don't know all the facts and have condemned Sgt Bergdahl without even giving him a chance to tell his story who are the disgrace. They're modern-day anti-American conservatives who are more likely to take the word of the Taliban than they are to give an American POW the benefit of the doubt.

Would conservatives of the 1970s and 80s be taking this kind of position against an American soldier if the Soviet Union was releasing propaganda statements against an American soldier? I don't think so. How about conservatives of the 1940s when America was fighting Nazis and the Empire of Japan? Would THOSE conservatives take the word of the propaganda apparatus of those totalitarian regimes? I think not. But today is different.

Why? Because it gives them an opportunity to assail a commander-in-chief who's a president not of their choosing. That's why.

Ever hear of E Pluribus Unum? It means "Out of many, ONE! It doesn't just mean people from many countries make the one country that is America. It implies that we, conservatives and liberals, are ALL Americans. Modern-day American conservatives no longer believe that. If you think I'm wrong, recall former Republican VP candidate, Sarah Palin. When she was campaigning for office in 2008, when she went to certain parts of the country which were/are more conservative politically than other parts of the country, Palin referred to these areas as the REAL America. Really, Sarah? I don't remember seeing degrees of citizenship in the US Constitution anywhere. Americans who don't share your views are JUST as American as you are, Sarah. Maybe more so considering most Americans don't flirt with a separatist political party like the Alaskan Independence Party like Sarah's husband, Todd, did who was a member of the AIP from 1995 until 2002.

The modern-day anti-American attitudes and sentiments of the conservative movement is shameful and I call on ALL Americans to renounce that unpatriotic movement.

Let's see, Mustangs opinion ensconced in anti conservative rant......or the statements of everyone he serve with CONFIRMING he walked away from his poat....


Gosh this is a tough choice....

Who's 'everyone'?

And I look forward to these "guys" testifying under oath during a trial.

Don't you?

Let's statements from a bunch of guys who actually stayed and did their jobs or....Sallow.

I don't have faith that the MIlitary or Obama will allow a trial.

 

[Sallow]

Blame lies with the army for allowing this brain damaged coward into the army to begin with......there was plenty of info available on this psycho beforehand...

Calling him a disgrace is being kind....

Link it

Actually there is a "sliver" of truth to this. Bergdhal had some mental issues and probably should not have been in Afghanistan.

Bergdahl?s writings reveal a fragile young man - The Washington Post

 

[Antares]

But yes, I'd like to see the trial.

 

[NLT]

If he is found guilty of desertion

 

[natstew]

Yes, but the Army shares half the blame for allowing him to join after being discharged from the Coast Guard for psychiatric reasons.

After seeing the letters he wrote I wonder how he finished the written test to be accepted in the Army. They do have a written test, don't they?

 

[natstew]

lol at convicting without a trial. Laws regarding War overseas rarely take trials into account. You get shot on the spot.

Who was the last American soldier shot on the spot, legally, by his fellow troops?

I mean, conservatives fragged Tillman, but it was hardly legal.

Sallow, you are really one sorry piece of shit!!

 

[NYcarbineer]

Among the possessions Bergdahl mailed home was his precious copy of 'Atlas Shrugged'.

I guess whatever else he might be, we know what that makes him.

 

[Sallow]

lol at convicting without a trial. Laws regarding War overseas rarely take trials into account. You get shot on the spot.

Who was the last American soldier shot on the spot, legally, by his fellow troops?

I mean, conservatives fragged Tillman, but it was hardly legal.

Sallow, you are really one sorry piece of shit!!

That was you?

Man..what a coward.

 

[Mustang]

No.

Actually, it's American conservatives who don't know all the facts and have condemned Sgt Bergdahl without even giving him a chance to tell his story who are the disgrace. They're modern-day anti-American conservatives who are more likely to take the word of the Taliban than they are to give an American POW the benefit of the doubt.

Would conservatives of the 1970s and 80s be taking this kind of position against an American soldier if the Soviet Union was releasing propaganda statements against an American soldier? I don't think so. How about conservatives of the 1940s when America was fighting Nazis and the Empire of Japan? Would THOSE conservatives take the word of the propaganda apparatus of those totalitarian regimes? I think not. But today is different.

Why? Because it gives them an opportunity to assail a commander-in-chief who's a president not of their choosing. That's why.

Ever hear of E Pluribus Unum? It means "Out of many, ONE! It doesn't just mean people from many countries make the one country that is America. It implies that we, conservatives and liberals, are ALL Americans. Modern-day American conservatives no longer believe that. If you think I'm wrong, recall former Republican VP candidate, Sarah Palin. When she was campaigning for office in 2008, when she went to certain parts of the country which were/are more conservative politically than other parts of the country, Palin referred to these areas as the REAL America. Really, Sarah? I don't remember seeing degrees of citizenship in the US Constitution anywhere. Americans who don't share your views are JUST as American as you are, Sarah. Maybe more so considering most Americans don't flirt with a separatist political party like the Alaskan Independence Party like Sarah's husband, Todd, did who was a member of the AIP from 1995 until 2002.

The modern-day anti-American attitudes and sentiments of the conservative movement is shameful and I call on ALL Americans to renounce that unpatriotic movement.

Let's see, Mustangs opinion ensconced in anti conservative rant......or the statements of everyone he serve with CONFIRMING he walked away from his post....


Gosh this is a tough choice....

Just because Pvt Bergdahl walked OFF his post after his duty in the literally sense of walking away from his post doesn't mean that he deserted his post in the figurative sense of walking away from his post. It's that kind of subtle word choice that can be both literally true but also completely misleading without knowing the context in which it happened and how Pvt Bergdahl came to be captured. But you're attitude is exactly what I'm referring to when I talk about the modern-day anti-American attitude of the conservative movement. Since you've never seen Bergdahl participating in a propaganda video like some POWs did during the Vietnam War, one would think you would accord him at least as much respect as the former American POWs from the Vietnam War received in light of the fact that they were tortured and subjected to harsh living conditions. But at least they had each other. Bergdahl was alone. Now he comes back to a country where many of his harshest critics are conservative Americans who've sat out the war? People like that who have a political agenda should be trusted to define patriotism for the rest of us? Not on your life. Oh, wait, let me guess! Your life and the lives of the conservative radio hosts who are assailing Sgt Bergdahl were never at risk at any point in time during all the years that Sgt Bergdahl was a POW. How do you guys live with yourselves.

As for SOME of the men who formerly served with Pvt Bergdahl, I suggest that they don't have any idea what happened to Bergdahl after he walked off his post because they weren't with him. Unfortunately, it doesn't surprise me that they engaged in speculation. Having served myself, I know a little bit about scuttlebutt in the military because it's rampant at every duty station. But those men are NOW being exploited and used by the very same anti-American conservatives who don't care about THEIR service any more than they care about Sgt Bergdahl. They're all pawns as far as conservatives are concerned, and those men would find themselves subjected to similar attacks if and when they ever went on the record to change their stories.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

Among the possessions Bergdahl mailed home was his precious copy of 'Atlas Shrugged'.

I guess whatever else he might be, we know what that makes him.

An anti-communist ???

 

[Sallow]

If he is found guilty of desertion

Do you have any idea how many soldiers were found guilty of desertion in WWII?

World War II

Over 20,000 American soldiers were tried and sentenced for desertion during World War Two. 49 were sentenced to death, though 48 of these death sentences were subsequently commuted. Only one US soldier, Private Eddie Slovik was executed for desertion in World War Two.

And there hasn't been an execution for desertion since.

 

[Sallow]

Among the possessions Bergdahl mailed home was his precious copy of 'Atlas Shrugged'.

I guess whatever else he might be, we know what that makes him.

An anti-communist ???

Funny if you guys did the least bit of research into this guy's background you'd be surprised.

His father was a devout Christian who home schooled Bowe Bergdhal.

Bergdhal was a fan of Ayn Rand and a Libertarian who fancied himself an "adventurer".

 

[Yurt]

the evidence doesn't look good for him, but until more facts are known, i don't think anyone can say it is a fact he deserted.

 

[shart_attack]

Is eagle1462010 a disgrace to Americans everywhere?

I'd say yes since he's convicting without a trial.

There is no such thing as the presumption of innocence in an American military trial, moron.

 

[shart_attack]

But yes, I'd like to see the trial.

Tough luck.

There are no cameras allowed in the courtroom of a military trial, Sherlock.

 

[Ravi]

Is eagle1462010 a disgrace to Americans everywhere?

I'd say yes since he's convicting without a trial.

There is no such thing as the presumption of innocence in an American military trial, moron.

Where did I say there was, fool?

 

[NLT]

Among the possessions Bergdahl mailed home was his precious copy of 'Atlas Shrugged'.

I guess whatever else he might be, we know what that makes him.

An anti-communist ???

Funny if you guys did the least bit of research into this guy's background you'd be surprised.

His father was a devout Christian who home schooled Bowe Bergdhal.

Bergdhal was a fan of Ayn Rand and a Libertarian who fancied himself an "adventurer".

So? he still is a coward that left his post.

 

[bodecea]

Is Bowe Bergdahl a disgrace to the Uniform he wore?

This is is just a poll thread to see where people stand by the numbers.

No one wants to wait for the Article 32 Hearing results?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Is eagle1462010 a disgrace to Americans everywhere?

I'd say yes since he's convicting without a trial.

There is no such thing as the presumption of innocence in an American military trial, moron.

Really? Then why is the judge at a court martial, under the UCMJ, required to give these instructions to the jury or whatever panel decides the guilt or innocence of the accused?

(5)
A charge that—
(A)
The accused must be presumed to be innocent until the accused’s guilt is established by legal and competent evidence beyond reasonable doubt;
(B)
In the case being considered, if there is a reasonable doubt as to the guilt of the accused, the doubt must be resolved in favor of the accused and the accused must be acquitted;

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/law/mcm.pdf

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