Is Anti-Zionism the Same as Anti-Semitism?

[BackAgain]

You ask me the meaningless question "does Israel have a right to exist" and then you tell me "it's not up to you" !

I knew your answer without even asking, ya moron. Ever hear of a rhetorical question? You dildo. We all know you believe that anti Zionism (by an anti Semite like you) translates into a desire to end the nation of Israel.

You then throw in the tired canard "you’re an anti Semitic piece of shit" in attempt to divert the discussion because you can't engage like an adult, only a petulant spoiled brat. When logic fails you why not introduce theatrics and hysteria!

No, you dishonest rodent. You are an anti Semitic piece of shit. But more importantly, that means that of course you are anti a Zionist. And since Israel does exist, your anti Zionism means you want the Narion of Israel to be terminated.

See? Even though you choose to be dishonest, who and what you are is still well established. Now, stop crying, sack up and just admit it.

Anyway you finally grew a pair and said "Nazi Germany may have had a right to exist UNTIL Hitler had its military attack and invade other nations" (but persecution of Jews and Kristallnacht before the war was OK with you - and you call me an antisemite!)

No, you fuckwit liar. Of course it wasn’t alright with me. But it wasn’t a violation of the rights of other nations or a threat to their existence. You ARE the anti Semite and you’re far too much of a weasel to simply acknowledge that fact.

So you'll agree Nazi Germany (at some point) lost the right to exist but that did not equate to the destruction of Germany or all Germans did it? No, the cessation of the Third Reich did not mean the destruction of Germany and all Germans.

I don’t say shit about the destruction of Germany or all Germans. I spoke only of Nazi Germany. Yo can’t stop being dishonest.

So if someone were to say "Zionist Israel has no right to exist" that would not mean Israel and all Jews must be destroyed - does it asshole?

If enough of your fellow Nazis tried to deny Israel their right to exist, you moron, that would mean the destruction of Israel as a nation. You know. Exactly what you want.

You'll learn, slowly but I think you made some progress today.

Sadly, you’ve only regressed once you got pushed. You’re an intellectual coward and a full blown lying bigot.

 

[Churchill]

I knew your answer without even asking, ya moron. Ever hear of a rhetorical question? You dildo. We all know you believe that anti Zionism (by an anti Semite like you) translates into a desire to end the nation of Israel.

No, you dishonest rodent. You are an anti Semitic piece of shit. But more importantly, that means that of course you are anti a Zionist. And since Israel does exist, your anti Zionism means you want the Narion of Israel to be terminated.

See? Even though you choose to be dishonest, who and what you are is still well established. Now, stop crying, sack up and just admit it.

No, you fuckwit liar. Of course it wasn’t alright with me. But it wasn’t a violation of the rights of other nations or a threat to their existence. You ARE the anti Semite and you’re far too much of a weasel to simply acknowledge that fact.

I don’t say shit about the destruction of Germany or all Germans. I spoke only of Nazi Germany. Yo can’t stop being dishonest.

If enough of your fellow Nazis tried to deny Israel their right to exist, you moron, that would mean the destruction of Israel as a nation. You know. Exactly what you want.

Sadly, you’ve only regressed once you got pushed. You’re an intellectual coward and a full blown lying bigot.

Calling people names isn't much of an argument, you'd make a piss poor attorney in a courtroom.

Now calm down and find all those posts of mine that espouse "antisemitism" and report them, that'll take you about five minutes because there aren't any. Be sure to read and understand the definition though that this forum uses - here it is.

Then we can resume and hopefully in a calm rational manner, we can start with the Einstein letter where he affirms his opposition to a state of Israel existing, here it is and please don't pretend you never saw it this time.

By the way Albert Einstein was Jewish, I studied his theoretical work many years ago, so don't call him an antisemite too, that would make you look even sillier than you already look.

So run along and report those posts, that's what a true principled person would do (unless you are just pretending to care about any of this and just get your rocks off by screaming at people hysterically).

If you don't find any posts then we must agree the accusations you levelled at me are baseless and defamatory and an apology would be in order.

 

[Lockback]

I knew your answer without even asking, ya moron. Ever hear of a rhetorical question? You dildo. We all know you believe that anti Zionism (by an anti Semite like you) translates into a desire to end the nation of Israel.

No, you dishonest rodent. You are an anti Semitic piece of shit. But more importantly, that means that of course you are anti a Zionist. And since Israel does exist, your anti Zionism means you want the Narion of Israel to be terminated.

See? Even though you choose to be dishonest, who and what you are is still well established. Now, stop crying, sack up and just admit it.

No, you fuckwit liar. Of course it wasn’t alright with me. But it wasn’t a violation of the rights of other nations or a threat to their existence. You ARE the anti Semite and you’re far too much of a weasel to simply acknowledge that fact.

I don’t say shit about the destruction of Germany or all Germans. I spoke only of Nazi Germany. Yo can’t stop being dishonest.

If enough of your fellow Nazis tried to deny Israel their right to exist, you moron, that would mean the destruction of Israel as a nation. You know. Exactly what you want.

Sadly, you’ve only regressed once you got pushed. You’re an intellectual coward and a full blown lying bigot.

I agree with everything you said.

 

[theHawk]

What if someone is anti-“Jewish” but okay with Israel’s existence?

Does that make one “anti-Semitic”?

Talmudic Judaism has nothing in common with ancient Judaism, other than they are the spiritual and in some cases the blood children of the corrupt Pharisees. The ethnic Jewish people use their ancestral connection to ancient Jews as an excuse for their racial superiority beliefs. Merely observing their behaviors of nepotism and racialism gets one labeled as “anti-Semitic”.

They are first and foremost those who rejected the promised Messiah. Because they broke their covenant with God, they were disconnected from God. As Christians we should always remember, the non-believer Jew will always pick Barabbas over Jesus.

That being said, I am a nationalist and believe that every culture has a right to preserve itself and be its own nation, if it has the strength to do so. In fact I encourage the Jews to have their own country so they can move there and move out of Western countries.

 

[rosends]

What if someone is anti-“Jewish” but okay with Israel’s existence?

Does that make one “anti-Semitic”?

Talmudic Judaism has nothing in common with ancient Judaism, other than they are the spiritual and in some cases the blood children of the corrupt Pharisees. The ethnic Jewish people use their ancestral connection to ancient Jews as an excuse for their racial superiority beliefs. Merely observing their behaviors of nepotism and racialism gets one labeled as “anti-Semitic”.

They are first and foremost those who rejected the promised Messiah. Because they broke their covenant with God, they were disconnected from God. As Christians we should always remember, the non-believer Jew will always pick Barabbas over Jesus.

That being said, I am a nationalist and believe that every culture has a right to preserve itself and be its own nation, if it has the strength to do so. In fact I encourage the Jews to have their own country so they can move there and move out of Western countries.

Your understanding of Judaism is severely flawed. Your messianic beliefs don't change actual Jewish history. Jesus was a "Talmudic" Jew.

 

[theHawk]

Your understanding of Judaism is severely flawed. Your messianic beliefs don't change actual Jewish history. Jesus was a "Talmudic" Jew.

^^ as we can see, modern day “Jews” are disconnected from reality. How could Jesus be a “Talmudic Jew” when it wasn’t invented until 400 years later?

Talmudic Judaism put an end to following the Torah and Tanakh, stopped animal sacrifices, and created a new and false religious doctrine in the “Talmud”, giving power to Rabbis to twist and pervert the scriptures in the Tanakh.


Take Daniel 9:25-27.

The Anointed One will come, but will be killed. Then the sanctuary (the temple) will be destroyed shortly after.

The Messiah needed to come before the destruction of the second temple. He needed to die.
He needed to setup a New Covenant unlike any of the other covenants(Jeremiah 31:31-34) for the forgiveness of sins.
He needed to be a priest in the order of Melchizedek (Pslam 110:4).

So, you’re welcome to show us the “real Messiah” that meets these conditions if it isn’t Jesus.

Let the Talmudic tap dancing begin:

 

[Churchill]

^^ as we can see, modern day “Jews” are disconnected from reality. How could Jesus be a “Talmudic Jew” when it wasn’t invented until 400 years later?

Talmudic Judaism put an end to following the Torah and Tanakh, stopped animal sacrifices, and created a new and false religious doctrine in the “Talmud”, giving power to Rabbis to twist and pervert the scriptures in the Tanakh.


Take Daniel 9:25-27.

The Anointed One will come, but will be killed. Then the sanctuary (the temple) will be destroyed shortly after.

The Messiah needed to come before the destruction of the second temple. He needed to die.
He needed to setup a New Covenant unlike any of the other covenants(Jeremiah 31:31-34) for the forgiveness of sins.
He needed to be a priest in the order of Melchizedek (Pslam 110:4).

So, you’re welcome to show us the “real Messiah” that meets these conditions if it isn’t Jesus.

Let the Talmudic tap dancing begin:

It gets worse though. Of course we can argue various interpretations of prophecy all day, but I am of the opinion (and this emanates from scripture) that if/when the Messiah returns he will be attacked, militarily attacked and no doubt by Israeli military and weapons.

Just as his reality was denied 2,000 years ago, it will be again.

 

[rosends]

^^ as we can see, modern day “Jews” are disconnected from reality. How could Jesus be a “Talmudic Jew” when it wasn’t invented until 400 years later?

ah, so the source of your mistakes is pure ignorance. Got it. You not only don't know Judaism or Christianity. Good work!

Talmudic Judaism put an end to following the Torah and Tanakh,

no, it didn't. Try again

stopped animal sacrifices,

Very untrue. You don't know the texts, do you?

and created a new and false religious doctrine in the “Talmud”, giving power to Rabbis to twist and pervert the scriptures in the Tanakh.

You think so. You are wrong, but whatever.

Take Daniel 9:25-27.

The Anointed One will come, but will be killed. Then the sanctuary (the temple) will be destroyed shortly after.

The Messiah needed to come before the destruction of the second temple. He needed to die.
He needed to setup a New Covenant unlike any of the other covenants(Jeremiah 31:31-34) for the forgiveness of sins.
He needed to be a priest in the order of Melchizedek (Pslam 110:4).

So, you’re welcome to show us the “real Messiah” that meets these conditions if it isn’t Jesus.

Your misunderstanding and misuse of biblical texts is neither new or particularly well presented. We can go through the verses in Hebrew if that helps.

 

[theHawk]

ah, so the source of your mistakes is pure ignorance. Got it. You not only don't know Judaism or Christianity. Good work!

no, it didn't. Try again

Very untrue. You don't know the texts, do you?

You think so. You are wrong, but whatever.

Your misunderstanding and misuse of biblical texts is neither new or particularly well presented. We can go through the verses in Hebrew if that helps.

^^ Typical Talmudic response: “You just don’t understand because you aren’t a Jew, but I can’t be bothered to explain how you’re wrong.”

 

[ShahdagMountains]

ah, so the source of your mistakes is pure ignorance.

And that’s the crux of the matter. Sheer ignorance.

 

[rosends]

^^ Typical Talmudic response: “You just don’t understand because you aren’t a Jew, but I can’t be bothered to explain how you’re wrong.”

OK, I can explain how you are wrong. Which point? The fact that the talmud predates (and was quoted and endorsed by) Jesus? The fact that animal sacrifices ended because the biblical text demanded that? Maybe it is that you think certain things (which you read in poor translation) are accurate snippets that can be pulled out of context and twisted to mean something that they don't mean in the original -- like this notion of a new covenant: the text is clear that the difference will be in delivery method, not content. In fact, the content is exactly the same as it always was. That's what the text says.

So let me know which mistake you want me to explain to you.

 

[theHawk]

- like this notion of a new covenant: the text is clear that the difference will be in delivery method, not content. In fact, the content is exactly the same as it always was. That's what the text says.

What is the content and what is the delivery?

 

[rosends]

What is the content and what is the delivery?

the delivery is that it will be inscribed (metaphorically) directly on our hearts. The content is the Torah and its laws. At least that's what the biblical text says.

 

[theHawk]

the delivery is that it will be inscribed (metaphorically) directly on our hearts. The content is the Torah and its laws. At least that's what the biblical text says.

Which is exactly what the New Covenant does. We partake in the body of Christ, who is the Word of God.

 

[rosends]

Which is exactly what the New Covenant does. We partake in the body of Christ, who is the Word of God.

Let's ignore the eating of a god figure for a moment.
Are you asserting that a "new" covenant has been inscribed on the hearts of the Jews? Are you claiming that those on whose hearts it was inscribed now know all the Jewish laws by heart and follow them all completely?

And a person isn't a word.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Anyone who has read the Old Testament, AKA "The Jewish Bible" and the Apocrypha knows that for the Jews possession if the land of Israel is important as personal salvation is for the Christians.

At the end of a Passover Jews say "Next year in Jerusalem."

The Jews are biologically the most superior demographic on earth. They deserve the best we can offer them.

Probably why hitler hated them so much because they were 100x smarter than the germans.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Have you ever read the talmud? How it tells jews to kill and rape goyim? Lie to them to advance judaism? How they can screw kids as long as its a day after their 3rd birthday?
Its very similar to the quran.
Like islam, why would you want give them the best, when they are taught to hate you?

The talmud is a trashy just horrid book. Yeah, there are all kinds of despicable abhorrent stuff in there. It was written by a bunch or arrogant people who hated Jesus and still do. Their book is no better than the koran.

 

[rosends]

The talmud is a trashy just horrid book. Yeah, there are all kinds of despicable abhorrent stuff in there. It was written by a bunch or arrogant people who hated Jesus and still do. Their book is no better than the koran.

you have never studied it so you have all sorts of misconceptions about it. There are, sadly, websites that collect snippets, made up sections and other mispresentations and people who haven't studied assume that what they read on these hate sites is true. There are also plenty of sites debunking and explaining, but people who hate tend not to read the explanations. They just want to stay with the hate.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

The Jewish obsession.

Becoming a fetish.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

you have never studied it so you have all sorts of misconceptions about it. There are, sadly, websites that collect snippets, made up sections and other mispresentations and people who haven't studied assume that what they read on these hate sites is true. There are also plenty of sites debunking and explaining, but people who hate tend not to read the explanations. They just want to stay with the hate.

Its not about hate. Its about how the pharisees, saducees, and the sanhedrin crucified the true messiah, Jesus, and then continued on in their self righteous arrogance.