Is America Ruled By A Socialist?

[percysunshine]

Socialism is the single greatest advance in human civilization as a whole. Socialism is what has prevented all of the other great advances of civilization to be claimed, owned, and guarded by a powerful few.

And democracy is what enabled socialism. Without the advance of democracy in its many forms,

the economically/socially less powerful would have never gained sufficient political power to be able to wrest away from the wealthy the natural political power that accrues to wealth itself.

You left out the part about it failing every time it is tried.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The two biggest socialist institutions in the U.S. are the public school system and the military,

both almost entirely government run, with government employees, and government funded, through taxes.

If you want to end both of those institutions as they exist and let the private sector try to make up the difference,

then you are not a socialist.

If you want to keep either or both of them, you are a socialist.


You are a socialist in the above scenario as the rightwing inmates here are trying to define 'socialist' in order to be able to label President Obama as such.

So...how many of you can claim not be 'socialists'?

^^^twelve years old^^^

Trolling instead of debating is your prerogative I suppose, but if you were to attempt to debate,

would your response be that public education and the military are not socialism,

or public education and the military are socialism,

but you would get rid of both institutions, because you're not a socialist?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Socialism is the single greatest advance in human civilization as a whole. Socialism is what has prevented all of the other great advances of civilization to be claimed, owned, and guarded by a powerful few.

And democracy is what enabled socialism. Without the advance of democracy in its many forms,

the economically/socially less powerful would have never gained sufficient political power to be able to wrest away from the wealthy the natural political power that accrues to wealth itself.

You left out the part about it failing every time it is tried.

Are you claiming that

1. None of the countries in the EU are socialist? or

2. Every socialist country in the EU is a failure?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Socialism is the single greatest advance in human civilization as a whole. Socialism is what has prevented all of the other great advances of civilization to be claimed, owned, and guarded by a powerful few.

And democracy is what enabled socialism. Without the advance of democracy in its many forms,

the economically/socially less powerful would have never gained sufficient political power to be able to wrest away from the wealthy the natural political power that accrues to wealth itself.

Your justification of Socialism by saying Democracy enabled it, is quite telling. Using class warfare to justify it is even moreso. Socialism is nothing more than a mechanism to give power to the powerless, and make the powerful powerless. Some of those who don't need power are given it, those who require it are prevented from attaining it. Socialism in essence is giving power to those who don't need it.

 

[Wry Catcher]

You didn't comment on the recent opinions by the gang of five?

FDR - much like President Obama - was elected at a time of economic crisis and no map existed on how to respond. Both tired some things that worked and others that didn't.

FDR put people to work and food in their stomachs. He fought the same people whose self interest came before the country and their fellow citizens. The Callous Conservative isn't a new breed, it existed decades before you were born and joined their klan.

Read a book is a rather weak ad hominem PC; you're usually more profane and caustic.

"FDR put people to work and food in their stomachs."

Gee....and all it cost them was their liberty.......

Even that's a lie from our resident stupid fukking leftists.

What they don't get told in their kindergarten history courses is how FDR was butchering tens of thousands of Hogs (to keep prices up) and burning the carcasses while children were suffering from malnutrition and actually dying of starvation.

That is just a fukking FACT. Look up some of his idiotic policies

But FDR gets a little slack from me because he was facing unknown circumstances, an unknown danger. He had no clue. But he was stupid. He really was a national socialist

But here's the funny part... Most people don't know that there was a Depression only a few scant years earlier under warren G Harding.

Know what he did to fight it? Nothing. Not a goddam thing.

And we popped out of it in only a couple years.

Yeah, I know Hoover was a Republican. But he wasn't a Conservative. he was more along the lines of a 'Bull Moose' Republican.... An interventionist like FDR. He made the Depression worse with his idiotic Smoot-Hawley.

But, again.... He had no clue either.

People who sing the praises of FDR? Idiots.

Every second of every minute of ever day of every year that man was in Office, this Country was in Misery.


How anybody can give him any credit for anything other than being horrible is stupid.

In 1941, the year of the War, we had over 14% unemployment at one point. he was an absolutely terrible president. Maybe the 2nd worst ever.... Behind the idiot we have in office now.

At least FDR was a good War President. Although he should have, and could have, avoided it

It's amazing, PC and you know so much more than generations of those "idiots" who are historians by profession; your arguments are so full of detail I'm awed at your collective ability to be so concise, to capture nearly two decades of history in short sentences of less than a page is genius.

You're conclusions, much like those of your mentor (?), are filled with information that convince even the most curious to set aside any impulse to verify them. and those who do are quickly silenced with the deadly ad hominem.

For those who don't quite get it, please note sarcasm is the best rhetorical device when one encounters self righteous and arrogant 'know-it-alls'.

 

[percysunshine]

Socialism is the single greatest advance in human civilization as a whole. Socialism is what has prevented all of the other great advances of civilization to be claimed, owned, and guarded by a powerful few.

And democracy is what enabled socialism. Without the advance of democracy in its many forms,

the economically/socially less powerful would have never gained sufficient political power to be able to wrest away from the wealthy the natural political power that accrues to wealth itself.

You left out the part about it failing every time it is tried.

Are you claiming that

1. None of the countries in the EU are socialist? or

2. Every socialist country in the EU is a failure?

2. In the process of failing anyway. It is happening right before your eyes. Look at the cases in history where the experiment came to it's natural conclusion. Germany got the Nazis, and the Soviet Union went bankrupt and got the Oligarchs.

 

[NYcarbineer]

All of that increase happened on Private Land.

On Federal Land (and water) Oil production has nose-dived.

Setting aside the fact that you are wrong,

I am NEVER wrong, cockbreath.

Congressional Research Confirms: Obama Has Blocked Oil Production - Investors.com

Empty Boast: As we have noted before in our Issues & Insights pages, President Obama has taken credit for an energy boom he had nothing to do with. A government agency now confirms what many have known to be true.

The Congressional Research Service has released a report, "U.S. Crude Oil and Natural Gas Production in Federal and Non-Federal Areas," that corroborates what we've said.
"All of the increase (in oil and natural gas production) from FY2007 to FY2012 took place on non-federal lands, and the federal share of total U.S. crude oil production fell by about seven percentage points," writes Marc Humphries, the government specialist in energy policy who authored the report.

During this period, oil production on federal land fell from nearly 1.7 million barrels a day to 1.6 million. At the same time, the share of overall production on federal lands shriveled from 33% to 26%.


Read More At Investor's Business Daily: Congressional Research Confirms: Obama Has Blocked Oil Production - Investors.com
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Drilling permits approved on federal lands:

As you can see by the chart, the Obama administration's rate of permitting is in fact above average compared to the other administrations.

The permitting rate of Obama is higher than that shown of Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, and GW Bush's first term.

Only the anomalous spike in permitting in Bush's second term exceeds Obama's.

So yes, you are wrong.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Ruled?

ruled past participle, past tense of rule (Verb)
Verb
Exercise ultimate power or authority over (an area and its people): "Latin America today is ruled by elected politicians".
(of a feeling) Have a powerful and restricting influence on (a person's life): "her whole life seemed to be ruled by fear".

I see. You utilize a definition of a word for your benefit, yet you failed to meet the standards of the definition of the word socialism. As in that case the definition of a word is irrelevant.

The one I defined is a standard English term.

Several posts in this thread have indicated that there are numerous definitions for socialism....
...the one I choose is the very words of the socialist President.



Now...if you'd like to dispute the definition of 'ruled' in the context of this thread.....go for it.



Here's another definition I'd like to place into evidence:

Happiness: seeing your picture on a milk carton.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"FDR put people to work and food in their stomachs."

Gee....and all it cost them was their liberty.......

Even that's a lie from our resident stupid fukking leftists.

What they don't get told in their kindergarten history courses is how FDR was butchering tens of thousands of Hogs (to keep prices up) and burning the carcasses while children were suffering from malnutrition and actually dying of starvation.

That is just a fukking FACT. Look up some of his idiotic policies

But FDR gets a little slack from me because he was facing unknown circumstances, an unknown danger. He had no clue. But he was stupid. He really was a national socialist

But here's the funny part... Most people don't know that there was a Depression only a few scant years earlier under warren G Harding.

Know what he did to fight it? Nothing. Not a goddam thing.

And we popped out of it in only a couple years.

Yeah, I know Hoover was a Republican. But he wasn't a Conservative. he was more along the lines of a 'Bull Moose' Republican.... An interventionist like FDR. He made the Depression worse with his idiotic Smoot-Hawley.

But, again.... He had no clue either.

People who sing the praises of FDR? Idiots.

Every second of every minute of ever day of every year that man was in Office, this Country was in Misery.


How anybody can give him any credit for anything other than being horrible is stupid.

In 1941, the year of the War, we had over 14% unemployment at one point. he was an absolutely terrible president. Maybe the 2nd worst ever.... Behind the idiot we have in office now.

At least FDR was a good War President. Although he should have, and could have, avoided it

Unemployment was well over 25% when FDR took office. No president in history ever saw a bigger decline in the UE than did FDR.

You people need to work on being rational. You look like fools when you try to figure out some way to make everything every liberal in history ever did look bad.

Let's put that in context:"

1. In 1931, in some of the darkest days of the Great Depression and the middle of the Hoover administration, unemployment rate stood at 17.4 %. Seven years later, after five years of FDR, and literally hundreds of wildly ambitious new government programs, more than doubling of federal spending, the national unemployment rate stood at – 17.4 %. At no point during the 1930’s did unemployment go below 14 %. Even in 1941, in the midst of the military buildup, 9.9 % of American workers were unemployed.

2. March 4, 1933, in his first Inaugural Address, FDR said “Our greatest primary task is to put people to work.” This meant that the New Deal was a wretched, ill-conceived failure.
Medved, "10 Big Lies"


3. In 1935, the Brookings Institution (left-leaning) delivered a 900-page report on the New Deal and the National Recovery Administration, concluding that “ on the whole it retarded recovery.”
The Real Deal - Society and Culture - AEI

 

[NYcarbineer]

You left out the part about it failing every time it is tried.

Are you claiming that

1. None of the countries in the EU are socialist? or

2. Every socialist country in the EU is a failure?

2. In the process of failing anyway. It is happening right before your eyes. Look at the cases in history where the experiment came to it's natural conclusion. Germany got the Nazis, and the Soviet Union went bankrupt and got the Oligarchs.

About the only thing you and I have in common is that neither one of us knows what you're talking about in the above post.

 

[percysunshine]

Are you claiming that

1. None of the countries in the EU are socialist? or

2. Every socialist country in the EU is a failure?

2. In the process of failing anyway. It is happening right before your eyes. Look at the cases in history where the experiment came to it's natural conclusion. Germany got the Nazis, and the Soviet Union went bankrupt and got the Oligarchs.

About the only thing you and I have in common is that neither one of us knows what you're talking about in the above post.

Kind of tough to defend German and Soviet Socialism. I know you have it in you...give it a try.

 

[Mac1958]

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I remain absolutely amazed at how many people place so much faith and trust in a bunch of paid off politicians and the federal bureaucracy. How many times do folks need to lied to, how much corruption, waste and sloth are they willing to forgive, how many lives wasted by generations of dependence on someone else is going to be enough?

I don't get it.

.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"FDR put people to work and food in their stomachs."

Gee....and all it cost them was their liberty.......

Even that's a lie from our resident stupid fukking leftists.

What they don't get told in their kindergarten history courses is how FDR was butchering tens of thousands of Hogs (to keep prices up) and burning the carcasses while children were suffering from malnutrition and actually dying of starvation.

That is just a fukking FACT. Look up some of his idiotic policies

But FDR gets a little slack from me because he was facing unknown circumstances, an unknown danger. He had no clue. But he was stupid. He really was a national socialist

But here's the funny part... Most people don't know that there was a Depression only a few scant years earlier under warren G Harding.

Know what he did to fight it? Nothing. Not a goddam thing.

And we popped out of it in only a couple years.

Yeah, I know Hoover was a Republican. But he wasn't a Conservative. he was more along the lines of a 'Bull Moose' Republican.... An interventionist like FDR. He made the Depression worse with his idiotic Smoot-Hawley.

But, again.... He had no clue either.

People who sing the praises of FDR? Idiots.

Every second of every minute of ever day of every year that man was in Office, this Country was in Misery.


How anybody can give him any credit for anything other than being horrible is stupid.

In 1941, the year of the War, we had over 14% unemployment at one point. he was an absolutely terrible president. Maybe the 2nd worst ever.... Behind the idiot we have in office now.

At least FDR was a good War President. Although he should have, and could have, avoided it

It's amazing, PC and you know so much more than generations of those "idiots" who are historians by profession; your arguments are so full of detail I'm awed at your collective ability to be so concise, to capture nearly two decades of history in short sentences of less than a page is genius.

You're conclusions, much like those of your mentor (?), are filled with information that convince even the most curious to set aside any impulse to verify them. and those who do are quickly silenced with the deadly ad hominem.

For those who don't quite get it, please note sarcasm is the best rhetorical device when one encounters self righteous and arrogant 'know-it-alls'.

1. "It's amazing, PC and you know so much more..."

Only to those whose motto is "I ain't much fer fancy book-larnin'"





2. "...generations of those "idiots" who are historians by profession"

You use the word 'historian' as though it was other than a synonym for 'Liberal'

...let's disabuse you of that, immediately:

a. "The Commintern, the Communist International, was founded in Moscow in March, 1919. Not far behind it, the Communist Party, USA (CPUSA) was founded in Chicago in September, 1919. While the archives are rich with their literature, they are rarely studied, as most academic historians are on the left and have little interest in revealing or discussing the revelations or machinations therein."
Dr. Paul Kengor, Hoover Institution, Stanford “DUPES: How America's Adversaries Have Manipulated Progressives for a Century”

b. "The leading academics find that the greatest modern Presidents are those that have made government bigger and more powerful, and have expanded the reach of the presidency, i.e., Woodrow Wilson and FDR. By the same token, those Presidents with a limited-government POV, such as Harding, Coolidge and Reagan, are treated dismissively by journalists and historians."
Hayward, "The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Presidents: From Wilson to Obama"

c. "The same political correctness showed up in a planned exhibit to mark the 50th anniversary of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima. The commentary on the exhibit included: “For most Americans…it was a war of vengeance. For most Japanese, it was a war to defend their unique culture against Western imperialism.” Smithsonian historians didn’t care to comment on the blood war of aggression against China, atrocities in the Philippines and the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor."
Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism"

d. "Liberals have their pantheon of presidents, established by the New Deal historians. "Great presidents," in their view, are those who expand the size and scope of the federal government..."
Michael Barone, Opinion, Editorials, Columns, Op-Ed, Letters to the Editor, Commentary - Wall Street Journal - Wsj.com




3. "For those who don't quite get it, please note sarcasm is the best rhetorical device when one encounters self righteous and arrogant 'know-it-alls'.

Another failure on your part.
The attempt at sarcasm falls short when the folks called 'know-it-alls' actually know it all.
That's easily proven by your failure to counter their arguments.


Actually, your post was not a bad attempt for someone who takes
two hours to watch "60 Minutes".



You should have counted your blessings.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I think Carbine has me on ignore. LOL.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Socialism is the single greatest advance in human civilization as a whole. Socialism is what has prevented all of the other great advances of civilization to be claimed, owned, and guarded by a powerful few.

And democracy is what enabled socialism. Without the advance of democracy in its many forms,

the economically/socially less powerful would have never gained sufficient political power to be able to wrest away from the wealthy the natural political power that accrues to wealth itself.

1. "Marxism rested on the assumption that the condition of the working classes would grow ever worse under capitalism, that there would be but two classes: one small and rich, the other vast and increasingly impoverished, and revolution would be the anodyne that would result in the “common good.” But by the early 20th century, it was clear that this assumption was completely wrong! Under capitalism, the standard of living of all was improving: prices falling, incomes rising, health and sanitation improving, lengthening of life spans, diets becoming more varied, the new jobs created in industry paid more than most could make in agriculture, housing improved, and middle class industrialists and business owners displaced nobility and gentry as heroes.

3. These economic advances continued throughout the period of the rise of socialist ideology. The poor didn’t get poorer because the rich were getting richer (a familiar socialist refrain even today) as the socialists had predicted. Instead, the underlying reality was that capitalism had created the first societies in history in which living standards were rising in all sectors of society."
From a speech by Rev. Robert A. Sirico, President, Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty.
Delivered at Hillsdale College, October 27, 2006

 

[PoliticalChic]

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I remain absolutely amazed at how many people place so much faith and trust in a bunch of paid off politicians and the federal bureaucracy. How many times do folks need to lied to, how much corruption, waste and sloth are they willing to forgive, how many lives wasted by generations of dependence on someone else is going to be enough?

I don't get it.

.

You do....

......they don't.

 

[bripat9643]

The two biggest socialist institutions in the U.S. are the public school system and the military,

both almost entirely government run, with government employees, and government funded, through taxes.

If you want to end both of those institutions as they exist and let the private sector try to make up the difference,

then you are not a socialist.

If you want to keep either or both of them, you are a socialist.

You're simply an idiot. I'm all for getting rid of government schools. They're turning out a river if ignoramuses. However, there's no way to have a private military. That's the reason it's socialist.

You are a socialist in the above scenario as the rightwing inmates here are trying to define 'socialist' in order to be able to label President Obama as such.

So...how many of you can claim not be 'socialists'?

Your lame argument is only convincing the forum imbeciles. Obama is a socialist. That is irrefutable. Government is his solution for every problem. He even proposes government as a solution for non-problems. That's what defines someone as a socialist.

You want a socialist military so you're a socialist.

Wrong, idiot. Can you explain how a non-socialist military would work?

Don't bother answering. It was purely a rhetorical question.

Claiming I want a socialist military is like claiming I want water to be wet.

 

[MikeK]

Amusing, and a bit puzzling, that at this late stage, and long after the hallmark "...you didn't build that....," almost daily some apologist writes that Obama certainly isn't a socialist.

Yeah, he is.

1. How can that even open to question???

[...]

If Obama was indeed a socialist, instead of handing the criminal bankers $850billion and stepping aside he would have taken control of the banks which would now be government entities and functioning on behalf of the People. It was a golden opportunity that he squandered because he is owned by the banks and by Wall Street -- from whence came his wooden indian Attorney General.

To suggest that Obama is a socialist is absurd. He's been in Office five years and the One Percent is still intact and thriving. Bernie Sanders is a socialist. Put Bernie in the White House and watch the sparks fly. The meaning of socialism will become explosively clear.

Obama is a paid agent of the emerging corporatocracy as well as an artful bullshitter.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Even that's a lie from our resident stupid fukking leftists.

What they don't get told in their kindergarten history courses is how FDR was butchering tens of thousands of Hogs (to keep prices up) and burning the carcasses while children were suffering from malnutrition and actually dying of starvation.

That is just a fukking FACT. Look up some of his idiotic policies

But FDR gets a little slack from me because he was facing unknown circumstances, an unknown danger. He had no clue. But he was stupid. He really was a national socialist

But here's the funny part... Most people don't know that there was a Depression only a few scant years earlier under warren G Harding.

Know what he did to fight it? Nothing. Not a goddam thing.

And we popped out of it in only a couple years.

Yeah, I know Hoover was a Republican. But he wasn't a Conservative. he was more along the lines of a 'Bull Moose' Republican.... An interventionist like FDR. He made the Depression worse with his idiotic Smoot-Hawley.

But, again.... He had no clue either.

People who sing the praises of FDR? Idiots.

Every second of every minute of ever day of every year that man was in Office, this Country was in Misery.


How anybody can give him any credit for anything other than being horrible is stupid.

In 1941, the year of the War, we had over 14% unemployment at one point. he was an absolutely terrible president. Maybe the 2nd worst ever.... Behind the idiot we have in office now.

At least FDR was a good War President. Although he should have, and could have, avoided it

Unemployment was well over 25% when FDR took office. No president in history ever saw a bigger decline in the UE than did FDR.

You people need to work on being rational. You look like fools when you try to figure out some way to make everything every liberal in history ever did look bad.

Let's put that in context:"

1. In 1931, in some of the darkest days of the Great Depression and the middle of the Hoover administration, unemployment rate stood at 17.4 %. Seven years later, after five years of FDR, and literally hundreds of wildly ambitious new government programs, more than doubling of federal spending, the national unemployment rate stood at – 17.4 %. At no point during the 1930’s did unemployment go below 14 %. Even in 1941, in the midst of the military buildup, 9.9 % of American workers were unemployed.

2. March 4, 1933, in his first Inaugural Address, FDR said “Our greatest primary task is to put people to work.” This meant that the New Deal was a wretched, ill-conceived failure.
Medved, "10 Big Lies"


3. In 1935, the Brookings Institution (left-leaning) delivered a 900-page report on the New Deal and the National Recovery Administration, concluding that “ on the whole it retarded recovery.”
The Real Deal - Society and Culture - AEI

First of all, Hoover's administration ran through 1932, not 1931. So that's your first lie.

Secondly, your attempt to imply that UE in the depression peaked at 17% is your second lie, as the chart below shows:

...that's from the Heritage Foundation in case you want to demean the source.

Thirdly, I proved to you in another thread that the Brookings Institute was not liberal in the 30's, so that's your third lie.

If you don't like Heritage's numbers then use these:

 

[NYcarbineer]

You're simply an idiot. I'm all for getting rid of government schools. They're turning out a river if ignoramuses. However, there's no way to have a private military. That's the reason it's socialist.




Your lame argument is only convincing the forum imbeciles. Obama is a socialist. That is irrefutable. Government is his solution for every problem. He even proposes government as a solution for non-problems. That's what defines someone as a socialist.

You want a socialist military so you're a socialist.

Wrong, idiot. Can you explain how a non-socialist military would work?

Don't bother answering. It was purely a rhetorical question.

Claiming I want a socialist military is like claiming I want water to be wet.

Ah so the one institution most dear to most conservatives, the military that defends our country,

the insitution that conservatives frequently like to claim is one of the few explicitly authorized by the Constitution,

is BY NECESSITY a socialist institution?

lol, is that your admission?