Is America Ruled By A Socialist?

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Amusing, and a bit puzzling, that at this late stage, and long after the hallmark "...you didn't build that....," almost daily some apologist writes that Obama certainly isn't a socialist.

Yeah, he is.

1. How can that even open to question???

2. As far back as 2001, in a radio interview on WBEZ, 'senior lecturer Obama' made his socialist intentions clear. In this tour-de-Marx performance- one which never made it into the mainstream media, he used these phrases:

"Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth"...."coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change...."
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkpdNtTgQNM]2001 Obama WBEZ Interview Redistribution Wealth Warren Court - YouTube[/ame]




Turns out 'redistributive change' became 'hope and change.'

a. "I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody" Oct. 12, 2008.
Hard to believe that the public was less concerned about whether the next President was a Marxist than if Joe was a licensed plumber.

b. "Obama could not have been clearer about his intentions to replace what he denigrated as the old "right-wing," "individualistic bootstrap myth" with a collectivist order- pure Marx." Diana West, "American Betrayal," p. 29.





3. So...why no effect on voters? When, exactly, did apathy and the laughter become a kind of conditioned response that short-circuit actual thinking. Hard to imagine how "yawn and mock" trump anti-American subversion.
Must have been just after everyone got the memo "It's different this time."

4. "...Obama's radical past seems to be making no impact whatsoever among the American public. His connection to communists in particular, from communist-terrorists like Bill Ayers to the communist agitator-journalist Frank Marshall Davis to fellow travelers like Saul Alinsky, has simply failed to resonate beyond the political right....

Americans are painfully vulnerable to repeat mistakes that should have been forever tossed onto the ash-heap of history..... The problem is that it isn't being taught. Consequently, Americans today do not know why communism is such a devastating ideology, at both the level of plain economic theory and in actual historical practice. It is a remarkably hateful system, based on literal hatred and targeted annihilation of entire classes and groups of people. (Nazism sought genocide based on ethnicity; communism sought genocide based on class.)" Archived-Articles: Why Obama's Communist Connections Are Not Headlines





5.But...to the point:
"... to a Brit who has seen his fair share of socialists and
lives in a socialist country run by a self-described socialist party by a self-described socialist prime minister who has taken over for another self-described socialist prime minister, it is puzzling why self-described independents ... are doing backflips in an attempt to avoid the obvious fact -- President Obama is quite clearly a socialist.
All these verbal gymnastics that are used to avoid stating the obvious may be rather humorous for someone watching from over the Atlantic, but for Americans, such delusion is a very serious matter.

It is important, not just for the American right, but for the American people as a whole, to realise just exactly who it is they have elected to office.

To call someone a socialist is not conspiratorial, and it is not fear-mongering; it is simply the truth, and it is time for some in the conservative media to take a deep breath and admit it -- America has a socialist leading the country. Welcome to the club: It stinks!"
Archived-Articles: Obama's Socialism





My speculation is that the have-your-cake-and-eat-it crowd would like to be able to brag that they voted for a President who is a first, in so very many ways...

......but don't want to admit that they've imposed socialism on this once great nation.



Smell the coffee.
 
It's too bad Roe V Wade wasn't in effect in time to have that bastard sucked down a drain.

Liberals are the reason I'm commited to abortion staying legal.

It's just too bad they don't consider retroactively self aborting, to save the planet of course.
 
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Yes.

the Stuttering Clusterfukk is a 'democratic socialist'.

Not a Stalinist or a Maoist. But a 'socialist' nonetheless
 
If by socialist you mean corporations who have a revolving door in the our politics I agree. But if you're talking about ppl you think are socialist, who never admit to being one and only 1 exists in congress then I'd have to say no
 
so·cial·ism noun \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\

Definition of SOCIALISM

1
: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2
a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3
: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
Socialism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

OK PC, using the definition of socialism, please gives us precise examples that match up with the definition. And please, no cut and paste right wing talking points.

Thank you.
 
The OP is nothing more than a mindless squirrel chattering.

The answer is "no" if when uses traditional terms and definitions.

Heavens help us. Unsubscribe.
 
People with 8th grade educations really should stay our of political discussions....

Democratic socialism is a variant of socialism that rejects centralized, elitist, or authoritarian methods of transitioning from capitalism to socialism in favor of grassroots-level movements aiming for the immediate creation of decentralized economic democracy.

The term is often used by socialists who favor either electoral transition to socialism or a spontaneous mass revolution from below to distinguish themselves from authoritarian socialists that call for a single-party state, most notably to contrast with Marxist-Leninists and Maoists.

Democratic socialists endorse a post-capitalist, socialist economic system as an alternative to capitalism. Some democratic socialists advocate market socialism based on workplace self-management, while others support a non-market system based on decentralized-participatory planning. Many contemporary democratic socialists reject centralized planning as a basis for democratic socialism.[1]
 
People with 8th grade educations really should stay our of political discussions....

Democratic socialism is a variant of socialism that rejects centralized, elitist, or authoritarian methods of transitioning from capitalism to socialism in favor of grassroots-level movements aiming for the immediate creation of decentralized economic democracy.

The term is often used by socialists who favor either electoral transition to socialism or a spontaneous mass revolution from below to distinguish themselves from authoritarian socialists that call for a single-party state, most notably to contrast with Marxist-Leninists and Maoists.

Democratic socialists endorse a post-capitalist, socialist economic system as an alternative to capitalism. Some democratic socialists advocate market socialism based on workplace self-management, while others support a non-market system based on decentralized-participatory planning. Many contemporary democratic socialists reject centralized planning as a basis for democratic socialism.[1]

8th grade?

You're giving them too much credit.
 
so·cial·ism noun \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\

Definition of SOCIALISM

1
: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2
a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3
: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
Socialism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

OK PC, using the definition of socialism, please gives us precise examples that match up with the definition. And please, no cut and paste right wing talking points.

Thank you.

What words actually mean don't matter. Watch what I tell you
 
If anyone is free to rewrite the definition of socialism, then anyone is capable of being defined as a socialist. The definition of socialism has always included government control over e means of production and distribution. When I see a president confiscate and nationalize the nation's farmland, I will think that the president is a socialist. Until then, calling Obama a socialist will continue to be the PC way of calling him a kenyan or an n-word... Just another valueless epithet.
 
so·cial·ism noun \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\

Definition of SOCIALISM

1
: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2
a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3
: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
Socialism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

OK PC, using the definition of socialism, please gives us precise examples that match up with the definition. And please, no cut and paste right wing talking points.

Thank you.




1. "OK PC, using the definition of socialism, ...."
Yours, of course, is the sophomoric obfuscation used to hide the facts.
Fully expected from the inept.

I'll stick with the well-constructed OP above, which includes the words of the socialist President, himself.




2. "....please gives us precise examples that match up with the definition."

Why is it that the most effete of individuals find it necessary to resort to "us"....when they mean "me"?

Oh...I've answered my own question!

“Life is a mystery, everyone must stand alone.” Madonna.





3. "And please, no cut and paste right wing talking points."

As far as you influencing my style…I am immovable, like General Jackson’s Virginians at First Manassas: a veritable stone wall.
If you only had an acquaintance with history…you’d understand that.

There may come a time when you can dictate how and what I post.....but, when that happens, I'll probably be ice skating in Hell.



Based on the caliber of post, you should concentrate on your full-time job, Garden Gnome.
 
If by socialist you mean corporations who have a revolving door in the our politics I agree. But if you're talking about ppl you think are socialist, who never admit to being one and only 1 exists in congress then I'd have to say no

Invincible ignorance.
 
The OP is nothing more than a mindless squirrel chattering.

The answer is "no" if when uses traditional terms and definitions.

Heavens help us. Unsubscribe.



Such is the post is of a mindless squirrel.

Could find nothing to disagree with....so scampered off.


Good luck with that acorn thing.....
 
People with 8th grade educations really should stay our of political discussions....

Democratic socialism is a variant of socialism that rejects centralized, elitist, or authoritarian methods of transitioning from capitalism to socialism in favor of grassroots-level movements aiming for the immediate creation of decentralized economic democracy.

The term is often used by socialists who favor either electoral transition to socialism or a spontaneous mass revolution from below to distinguish themselves from authoritarian socialists that call for a single-party state, most notably to contrast with Marxist-Leninists and Maoists.

Democratic socialists endorse a post-capitalist, socialist economic system as an alternative to capitalism. Some democratic socialists advocate market socialism based on workplace self-management, while others support a non-market system based on decentralized-participatory planning. Many contemporary democratic socialists reject centralized planning as a basis for democratic socialism.[1]



Shouldn't the Democrats have simply taken the name Democratic Socialist Party?
Not merely appropriate....but honest.




1. While the United States is one of the few democracies without an official socialist party, in reality socialist occupy some of the highest positions in the “Marxist-socialist” bloc in Congress. In fact, the Congressional Progressive Caucus was founded as a sister to the Democratic Socialists of America, the DSA.

a. Before the socialist network infiltrated the Democratic Party, its ideology permeated academic institutions for decades.

b. In the 60’s, radicals attempted to overthrow the US capitalist system by actual revolution: the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) or its spinoff, the Weathermen terrorist group. DSA was established to transform capitalism by democratic means.





2. Michael Harrington, founder of the DSA, knew that infiltration of the Democratic Party was primary, and it already contained all of the progressive elements
The Eduard Bernstein Internet Archive Socialism time line.

The DSA remains the principle branch of the Socialist International, whose primary goal is global governance under worldwide socialism.

a. The SI boasts it is successor to the First International of Karl Marx, 1864. “Ever since its inception in 1951, the Socialist International has made cosmetic efforts to distance itself from communist socialists.” http://www.thenewamerican.com/world...-35/2947-the-grasp-of-socialist-international





3. Creation of the Progressive Caucus is credited to Bernie Sanders. The groups in the radical network include a) the Congressional Progressive Caucus, b) the Congressional Black Caucus, c) the Populist Caucus, and the d) Progressive Democrats of America.

a. Allied with the above is ACORN, SEIU, and the Institute for Policy Studies

b. And, indirectly, the Center for American Progress and the Apollo Alliance.
From "Red Army," by Aaron Klein
 
Socialist ideals help the middle class prosper.


" Marxism rested on the assumption that the condition of the working classes would grow ever worse under capitalism, that there would be but two classes: one small and rich, the other vast and increasingly impoverished, and revolution would be the anodyne that would result in the “common good.”

But by the early 20th century, it was clear that this assumption was completely wrong! Under capitalism, the standard of living of all was improving: prices falling, incomes rising, health and sanitation improving, lengthening of life spans, diets becoming more varied, the new jobs created in industry paid more than most could make in agriculture, housing improved, and middle class industrialists and business owners displaced nobility and gentry as heroes."
From a speech by Rev. Robert A. Sirico, President, Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty.
Delivered at Hillsdale College, October 27, 2006
 

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