IRS ADMITTED to Targeting Tea Party Groups...& now Releases Identities of targeted Groups

[Rustic]

Wait a minute . Suddenly conservatives are AGAINST law enforcement profiling groups???

Lol, oh the irony !

Using the IRS on the POTUS enemies; impeachable for Nixon to suggest. But perfectly Okay for Obama to do - 426 times.

I'm sure you see no hypocrisy, since democrats are above the law.

That's not what happend . Like I said, 509's are not "his enemies " otherwise they wouldn't qualify as 509s . That would make them a superpac.

 

[Uncensored2008]

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Fed income tax is the only tax we have ?

Without your straw man, you are left completely adrift...

 

[JBond]

Nobody turned down. Numbers explained by huge numbers of TP groups as TP just started. IRS non-partisan since Nixon's bs...

They did worse than turning deserving groups down. They kept them in limbo for years with ridiculous request after request.

If months are years. How bout taxing the rich their fair share so the IRS can do its job, dupe?

The so called "rich" pay 90+% of this country's bills... The bottom 47% nothing...

They have 99% of the wealth .

And find me one person who pays no taxes .

Many people equal a net zero regarding federal taxes. Many more get back more than they paid.

 

[francoHFW]

Let's take that silly statement as true . How do figure since no tea party groups were also targeted ? Why would he stifle tea party groups who end up splitting GOP votes ?

Why did the IRS apologize if they did nothing wrong?

According to a stupid headline in a controversy mad USA Today article? ANOTHER phony scandal just a reaction to a tidal wave of bs from the RW propaganda machine...

I see you ignored all the other sources....most of which are liberal.
And a simple Google search will show page after page stating the same.
Delusional ....

They apologized for the actions of an small office in Ohio that had no effect, and not being able to handle all the new applications from the hysterical TP. Not all the stupid spin you believe, dupe of greedy idiot GOP billionaires.

So why'd Lerner plead the fifth?

To get off the GOP Propaganda Machine stage, PERIOD.

 

[francoHFW]

Nobody turned down. Numbers explained by huge numbers of TP groups as TP just started. IRS non-partisan since Nixon's bs...

They did worse than turning deserving groups down. They kept them in limbo for years with ridiculous request after request.

If months are years. How bout taxing the rich their fair share so the IRS can do its job, dupe?

The so called "rich" pay 90+% of this country's bills... The bottom 47% nothing...

They have 99% of the wealth .

And find me one person who pays no taxes .

Many people equal a net zero regarding federal taxes. Many more get back more than they paid.

Irrelevant, dupe. GOP BS. Count all taxes and fees and we basically have a flat tax, with all the new wealth going to the rich.

 

[gipper]

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Means nothing. Just ask a Democrat.

However...if an R POTUS did this to left wing groups, Ds and their media would be demanding impeachment and removal.

Hypocrites.

Just ask Nixon,

And he didn't actually do it - Obama did.

There's not a shred of evidence to back up your theory .

Yeah Obama is clean as a whistle...cause he is a Democrat...now if he were an R, he is one dirty MFer....right?

 

[francoHFW]

IT's A CONSPIRACEE!!!! lol. But thanks for the bought -by -greedy-billionaires propaganda, dupe.

 

[JBond]

Irrelevant, dupe. GOP BS. Count all taxes and fees and we basically have a flat tax, with all the new wealth going to the rich.

Post up the tax numbers big guy. This should be interesting.

 

[Care4all]

The POTUS had no connection, that's the only reason he's not being nailed for it.

Repubs had one dog and pony show after another investigating....researched from here to high heaven and could not find even a trace of evidence that what the irs chose to use as their parameters came from the Whitehouse or was directed by the president.

1. Liberals were hell-bent arguing that no targeting ever took place. It did.

2. None other than D-Elijah Cummings was proven to have played a part in the targeting. He tried to derail the hearings before the evidence of his part in it was exposed.

3. No, no direct role has been established between the WH and the IRS. One must distinguish, however, between factual evidence and common sense.

The TEA Party had a HUGE impact on the previous election, contributing to the Dem's loss of the House...and then suddenly they began being targeted. The IRS has no motivation on its own to target the TEA Party as their jobs weren't on the line. Cumming's participation is understood, as he was concerned for his own job, seeing how the TEA Party caused the jobs of his fellow Dems that last election. Although the WH 'was not directly involved', they coincidently reaped the benefitted of the TEA Party and Patriot groups being targeted just the same.

But the Tea Party was running against the Republican establishment in that election for the most part, weren't they? In primaries to unseat the established Republicans?

It wasn't wrong to profile or prioritize....this is what the IRS has to do on all of their audits...because they have few employees compared to all tax returns...they focus on high risk of breaking the law groups....even when you do your taxes by an app like turbo tax, when they check your return, they tell you when you are in a high risk of being audited by telling you where in your return, you are out of the normal range for that deduction etc and things like that....

And things are known to trigger an audit or overview by them, like taking the EIC credit...

so, a way to prioritize is not what they did wrong... imo, what they probably did wrong was picking terms that weighed so much heavier on one group than the other groups...as example, tea party groups were caught up in an audit more than the Republican PACS applying and more than the Democratic ones applying.... And I have read that there were so many new Tea Party PACS compared to the number of New Republican PACS applying and new Democratic PACS applying that he Tea Party groups would appear to be singled out more, even if words were not used to narrow down the selection, simply because there were so many more new Tea Party PACS applying.

In all the emails on this that were found, not a mention from Lois Learner doing this for any political reason...nada, nothing, not a thing to implicate her in having a political motive....not even a slip up somewhere....if memory serves me???

 

[EriktheRed]

The POTUS had no connection, that's the only reason he's not being nailed for it.

Repubs had one dog and pony show after another investigating....researched from here to high heaven and could not find even a trace of evidence that what the irs chose to use as their parameters came from the Whitehouse or was directed by the president.

1. Liberals were hell-bent arguing that no targeting ever took place. It did.

2. None other than D-Elijah Cummings was proven to have played a part in the targeting. He tried to derail the hearings before the evidence of his part in it was exposed.

3. No, no direct role has been established between the WH and the IRS. One must distinguish, however, between factual evidence and common sense.

The TEA Party had a HUGE impact on the previous election, contributing to the Dem's loss of the House...and then suddenly they began being targeted. The IRS has no motivation on its own to target the TEA Party as their jobs weren't on the line. Cumming's participation is understood, as he was concerned for his own job, seeing how the TEA Party caused the jobs of his fellow Dems that last election. Although the WH 'was not directly involved', they coincidently reaped the benefitted of the TEA Party and Patriot groups being targeted just the same.

But the Tea Party was running against the Republican establishment in that election for the most part, weren't they? In primaries to unseat the established Republicans?

It wasn't wrong to profile or prioritize....this is what the IRS has to do on all of their audits...because they have few employees compared to all tax returns...they focus on high risk of breaking the law groups....even when you do your taxes by an app like turbo tax, when they check your return, they tell you when you are in a high risk of being audited by telling you where in your return, you are out of the normal range for that deduction etc and things like that....

And things are known to trigger an audit or overview by them, like taking the EIC credit...

so, a way to prioritize is not what they did wrong... imo, what they probably did wrong was picking terms that weighed so much heavier on one group than the other groups...as example, tea party groups were caught up in an audit more than the Republican PACS applying and more than the Democratic ones applying.... And I have read that there were so many new Tea Party PACS compared to the number of New Republican PACS applying and new Democratic PACS applying that he Tea Party groups would appear to be singled out more, even if words were not used to narrow down the selection, simply because there were so many more new Tea Party PACS applying.

In all the emails on this that were found, not a mention from Lois Learner doing this for any political reason...nada, nothing, not a thing to implicate her in having a political motive....not even a slip up somewhere....if memory serves me???

You're putting way more effort into trying to make sense to certain people on here than you need to.

 

[Rustic]

IT's A CONSPIRACEE!!!! lol. But thanks for the bought -by -greedy-billionaires propaganda, dupe.

Federal government = corruption

 

[francoHFW]

IT's A CONSPIRACEE!!!! lol. But thanks for the bought -by -greedy-billionaires propaganda, dupe.

Federal government = corruption

GOP fed gov't. See S+L, Real Estate boom, Iraq War. You got nothing on Dems but phony scandals, dupe.

 

[blackhawk]

But someone told us there wasn't a smidgen corruption here so how can this be? Clearly someone is lying so the only question left now is who?

 

[francoHFW]

The News BS GOP is bought off and rotten to the core, dupe.

 

[Rustic]

IT's A CONSPIRACEE!!!! lol. But thanks for the bought -by -greedy-billionaires propaganda, dupe.

Federal government = corruption

GOP fed gov't. See S+L, Real Estate boom, Iraq War. You got nothing on Dems but phony scandals, dupe.

Career politicians = federal government = corruption
It doesn't matter the side... dumb fuck
Lol

 

[candycorn]

Anyone who thinks this isn’t a scandal is not being truthful.

This is a scandal.

A big one.

Someone should be in jai; spending a very long time in a very small room for doing this.

This scandal is particularly vulgar when you think about it. It’s not a matter of some group being snowed under by unforeseen demand, or some glitch or someone doing the “wrong thing” for the “right reasons”. This was a case where people had a rule book, ignored it, and repeated the process. That is corruption. That is illegal and heads should roll.

That being said, lets look at the supposed outcome.

Conservative asshats here proclaim that this is what cost Mitt Romney the election. Stop it. Mitt Romney cost Mitt Romney the election and everyone who wished to know where he stood on an issue or what an issue meant or any other facet of an issue could have found out from the near $1,000,000,000 that was spent during the campaign. Stop the idiocy.

Secondly, the IRS does not give business licenses. What happened was that the IRS—criminally in my view—targeted 426 groups (according to the low-end estimates of the link in the OP) based on their names for further scrutiny in granting them tax exempt status. That is all. As someone who has re-filed taxes from years past and has gotten re-bated some taxes I paid…I can almost guarantee that an entity would have the same rights to file for a rebate on taxes once their “tax free” status was granted—if it were granted. Any group that wanted to air ads on for any reason could have. They would just have to pay taxes at some point I suppose. It’s hard to tell how some of these groups would be liable for taxes since they would not be generating income but that is their business… The bottom line was that there was nothing stopping any of them from conducting their activities except for a tax issue that would almost certainly be refunded if they did fulfill the requirements of being a non-profit.

And finally of the 426—again from the link in the OP:

Sixty of the groups on the list released last month have the word “tea” in their name, 33 have “patriot,” eight refer to the Constitution, and 13 have “912” in their name — which is the monicker of a movement started by conservatives. Another 26 group names refer to “liberty,” though that list does include some groups that are not discernibly conservative in orientation.

Among the groups that appear to trend liberal are three with the word “occupy” in their name.

And then there are some surprising names, including three state or local chapters of the League of Women Voters — a group with a long history of nonprofit work.

About 112 supposed right wing groups were delayed along with some left leaning groups judging ONLY From the names of the organizations.

The scandal is real.
The outrage is fake.

Mitt lost. Get over it.

 

[Rustic]

Anyone who thinks this isn’t a scandal is not being truthful.

This is a scandal.

A big one.

Someone should be in jai; spending a very long time in a very small room for doing this.

This scandal is particularly vulgar when you think about it. It’s not a matter of some group being snowed under by unforeseen demand, or some glitch or someone doing the “wrong thing” for the “right reasons”. This was a case where people had a rule book, ignored it, and repeated the process. That is corruption. That is illegal and heads should roll.

That being said, lets look at the supposed outcome.

Conservative asshats here proclaim that this is what cost Mitt Romney the election. Stop it. Mitt Romney cost Mitt Romney the election and everyone who wished to know where he stood on an issue or what an issue meant or any other facet of an issue could have found out from the near $1,000,000,000 that was spent during the campaign. Stop the idiocy.

Secondly, the IRS does not give business licenses. What happened was that the IRS—criminally in my view—targeted 426 groups (according to the low-end estimates of the link in the OP) based on their names for further scrutiny in granting them tax exempt status. That is all. As someone who has re-filed taxes from years past and has gotten re-bated some taxes I paid…I can almost guarantee that an entity would have the same rights to file for a rebate on taxes once their “tax free” status was granted—if it were granted. Any group that wanted to air ads on for any reason could have. They would just have to pay taxes at some point I suppose. It’s hard to tell how some of these groups would be liable for taxes since they would not be generating income but that is their business… The bottom line was that there was nothing stopping any of them from conducting their activities except for a tax issue that would almost certainly be refunded if they did fulfill the requirements of being a non-profit.

And finally of the 426—again from the link in the OP:

Sixty of the groups on the list released last month have the word “tea” in their name, 33 have “patriot,” eight refer to the Constitution, and 13 have “912” in their name — which is the monicker of a movement started by conservatives. Another 26 group names refer to “liberty,” though that list does include some groups that are not discernibly conservative in orientation.

Among the groups that appear to trend liberal are three with the word “occupy” in their name.

And then there are some surprising names, including three state or local chapters of the League of Women Voters — a group with a long history of nonprofit work.

About 112 supposed right wing groups were delayed along with some left leaning groups judging ONLY From the names of the organizations.

The scandal is real.
The outrage is fake.

Mitt lost. Get over it.

One career politician beat another in an election...

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Nobody turned down. Numbers explained by huge numbers of TP groups as TP just started. IRS non-partisan since Nixon's bs...

Franco is right. A friend of mine used to be in the IRS think tank (before going solo with estates and trusts law). He said the language in the 501(c)(4) statute was that these groups had to be primarily for promoting social welfare. "Primarily" being the operative word and the loophole for hundreds of Tea Party groups to use to gain this tax-free status.

Since the fracas, the statute has been changed: "To be tax-exempt as a social welfare organization described in Internal Revenue Code (IRC) section 501(c)(4), an organization must not be organized for profit and must be operated exclusively to promote social welfare. "

The fracas started because of the tsunami of applications from hundreds of local/regional Tea Party and ultra-conservative political groups (formed in a backlash against Obama taking office) applying for a 501(c)(4) far exceeded applications from liberal and Democratic groups in 2009 and 2010.

None of these groups were denied their 501(c)(4). But they did become scrutinized prior to receiving their status due to the obvious political nature of their groups.

So the IRS apologized for the inconvenience.
BFD.
Nothing to see here, folks.
The Tea Baggers got what they wanted.
Obama didn't interfere and tell Lerner what to do, obviously.

 

[Rustic]

Nobody turned down. Numbers explained by huge numbers of TP groups as TP just started. IRS non-partisan since Nixon's bs...

Franco is right. A friend of mine used to be in the IRS think tank (before going solo with estates and trusts law). He said the language in the 501(c)(4) statute was that these groups had to be primarily for promoting social welfare. "Primarily" being the operative word and the loophole for hundreds of Tea Party groups to use to gain this tax-free status.

Since the fracas, the statute has been changed: "To be tax-exempt as a social welfare organization described in Internal Revenue Code (IRC) section 501(c)(4), an organization must not be organized for profit and must be operated exclusively to promote social welfare. "

The fracas started because of the tsunami of applications from hundreds of local/regional Tea Party and ultra-conservative political groups (formed in a backlash against Obama taking office) applying for a 501(c)(4) far exceeded applications from liberal and Democratic groups in 2009 and 2010.

None of these groups were denied their 501(c)(4). But they did become scrutinized prior to receiving their status due to the obvious political nature of their groups.

So the IRS apologized for the inconvenience.
BFD.
Nothing to see here, folks.
The Tea Baggers got what they wanted.
Obama didn't interfere and tell Lerner what to do, obviously.

 

[JBond]

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Actually,, dupe, that's only fed income taxes, which the GOP has cut for 35 years while all other taxes (which kill the non-rich) rise to make up for the shortfall. Now if you count all all taxes and fees, EVERYONE pays 20-30% (basically a flat tax) and all the new wealth goes to the richest. BRAINWASHED FUNCTIONAL MORON. HELLOOOOOOO?!?!?

Actually franco hater dupe bot, you're lying as usual. 47% of working Americans pay not one dime in federal income tax. 32% get money back when they put no money in.

Hey, you may be a filthy liar, but what democrat isn't?

Fed income tax is the only tax we have ?

Post the numbers. I know you wont.