- Oct 24, 2017
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You still have failed to comprehend that Iran and N.K. were trading. N. K. had only one thing that Iran would want. What do you think that was?Got to love it not only are you a blind partisan but you are unable to understand simple concepts and look at everything through rose colored partisan glasses.It's the most likely scenario. In the end the Bush policy failed miserably and the worst possible outcome occurred so really anything would have been better. And certainly keeping a deal, however flawed it was, would have had a better outcome than the one we got.Man you are delusional. You claim I can't prove what I claim yet you make the same claims with things like N.K. would not have created a nuke if the deal was still in place.Nope I am just pointing out that republicans can never take responsibilities for their bad results and decisions, as if they are all somebody else's fault?To put it simply they felt as if there was no deal. They received two reactors for shutting down one. They were still doing research. They were still producing plutonium, yes in smaller amounts, but still doing it. They were receiving loads of heavy fuel oil. Nothing like rewarding bad behavior.The problem is that in the end we have the worst possible outcome with NK, and it is an outcome that could have been prevented, and it is an outcome that is causing serious problems right now. So if you have an NK deal with some NK cheating, it is still 1,000x better than what we have now.
Then you fail to see that this situation is identical to the Iran situation (accept there was no Iran cheating). The Iran deal wasn't perfect, but it was working and made the world safer whether you want to admit that or not. Iran has already escalated their nuke program Since Trump canceled the deal, this is bad. This also would not be happening if the deal were in place. There is nothing in place to prevent Iran from making a nuke.
If Iran makes a nuke it will be predominantly Trumps fault, just like it is predominantly Bush's fault that N Korea made a nuke. You better be able to accept that, because I find that the right has a hard time taking responsibility for their bad decisions.
If Iran makes a nuke it will be primarily due to North Koreas help.
Of course all the money they recieved and lifted sanctions will also play a large part.
Got to love how crazy people always have to make everything about my side is better then the other.
But I tend to look at individuals not parties.
I can see that you have no intrest in the how or why you are only interested in Republicans are bad Democrats are good.
You keep throwing out way too many hypotheticals. You still haven't been able to address the fact that the absolute worst outcome possible happened, and Bush canceling the deal made that possible.
Do you think NK would have tested a nuke if the deal were still in tact? Probably not. You keep repeating bad deal, bad deal, cheating, but sometimes in life you take what you can get because it is the best possible outcome you can get? You don't seem to understand that.
The decision that you defend was the worst possible outcome and therefore the worst possible decision, I don't see how you can defend that?
I ask you again what do we have in place to prevent Iran from making a nuke. We had something in place and now we don't... Just like with NK we had something in place and then Bush canceled it. Were you surprised NK made a nuke? Will you be surprised if Iran makes one?
You claim your post is not political yet you trash Republicans.
Got to love someone so transparent.
You're trying to argue that failed policy is acceptable because you can't hold Bush accountable, because the GOP never holds any of their people accountable. It's always somebody else's fault.
Now, you fail to acknowledge that this Iran situation is progressing 100% identical to the NK. Maybe you don't remember what was going on back in 2003-4-5, but NK pretty much announced their intention to enrich and make a nuke. Right now Iran is doing the same thing and is openly stating they are going to enrich uranium to 20% again. (Does this sound familiar???) Somehow you think this outcome is going to be different than the last? Things are going to be different this time?
You seem to be unable to comprehend that since N.K. was cheating they would still have developed the same capabilities that they did. The only difference would have been that they would have had a free use of all the heavy fuel oil in the process. You keep blaming the failed treaty for N.K. 's actions. You so far have only shown that you don't understand anything. Do you really think that anyone that wants something bad enough will stop? We have made things like killing illegal, we have even used the death penalty to inforce it. It has not stopped killings. Learn something about human nature and a little about history.
You still have failed to comprehend that Iran and N.K. were trading. N. K. had only one thing that Iran would want. What do you think that was?
Get off your partisan high horse. Look at the real world.
Where have I ever denied this? Of course they were, which is why Iran is going to make a nuke. You don't seem to comprehend that this makes Iran even more dangerous. Iran is going to make a nuke and is actively advancing their nuke program as we speak, with nothing to stop them??
The cheating? minor cheating, easy to handle and deal with. It certainly doesn't mean that they would have gone all the way and made a nuke and tested it a mere 4 years later? That is just not logical.
Your only argument is that NK would have still made and tested nukes had Bush kept the deal in place?? Weak. That is a highly unlikely scenario. And last I checked you don't need fuel oil to make a nuke so that is another weak argument. You fail to see the exact parallels between Iran and NK situations? Are you blind?
Basically you can't hold republicans accountable for their failed policy. Nothing is ever a republicans fault according to you, it's all Clinton or Obama's fault???
According to your poor logic, Iran wants a nuke so we should not do anything to stop them??? The same way Bush did nothing to stop NK. Bush canceling the deal and letting NK make a nuke was the best policy and the best outcome we could achieve?? Your logic could be the worst logic I have ever heard? Have you ever stopped to look at how crazy you sound?
All that because you just can't hold you politicians accountable for their failures... sad. maybe pathetic.
Ok insert generic partisan response about how it's not Bush's fault or Trump's fault and they have done nothing wrong, per usual... but but but cheating... cheating...