IPCC CO2 Science vs. Majority of Peer-Reviewed Research

[Kosh]

How far should we trust models?

How far should we trust models? | Climate Etc.

 

[Old Rocks]

How far should we trust models?

How far should we trust models? | Climate Etc.

Who is trusting models? The problems we are seeing right now in real time have demonstrated that the models were far to conservative. Nobody expected the Arctic Ice to melt as quickly as it has. We had no idea of the potential of the feedbacks from the permafrost CO2 and CH4. The Arctic Ocean clathrates are a particularly nasty surprise. The effect of the open water in the Arctic on the Rossby waves in the Jet Stream surprised all of the meteorologists.

It is you flap-yappers that are the trusting sort. Some obese junkie on the radio rants on, and you buy into his ignorance 100%. A fake British 'Lord', with zero credentials in any science makes nonsense statements, and you are on your feet, arms in the air, shouting 'Glory Halleluyah!!!!!!'. An ex-TV weatherman with no degrees in anything has a blog in which he posts articles that are often outright lies, and you swallow it hook, line, and sinker. A bunch of dumb ass suckers.

This is a scientific subject, and the scientists have already stated what the problems are, and what kind of consequences that we might see from those problems. Scientists from every nation and political system in the world, from every discipline. And you freakin' yokels take the words of regular fruitloops over people that have spent all their lives studying science.

Every Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University, states that AGW is a fact, and a clear and present danger. But we have a bunch of dingleberries positing some kind of conspiracy among all these scientists. "Oh, where is my little tin hat, little tin hat...................................

 

[flacaltenn]

Because you're smarter than the world's scientists. Gosh, that's reasonable.

Show us a linear delay that'll match solar forcing to the observed temperature response.

A simple 30 year delay will make a fine 1st cut..
Nothing more is really required. But it would be NICE if we also knew how to estimate the thermal balance point more accurately.. AND had some idea of whether to expect underdamped or overdamped transient responses to a step input in temperature forcing.

 

[Impenitent]

Nope. Work around it and make it interesting, or don't even bother.

"I'll keep that in mind." He said, forebodingly.

And yet, oddly, I remain untroubled.

"Hear Comes Daveman"
(Here Comes Santa Claus)

Hear comes Daveman
Hear comes Daveman
Board's biggest Con
Flacaltenn and Westwall and all their cronies
Just eggin' him on
Tho he might be fringin', Socialists are cringin'
He's always ready to incite
So repeat your Shahada, recite your Quran
'Cause Daveman comes tonight

Hear comes Daveman
Hear comes Daveman
Board's biggest Con
With new catch phrases ready to utter
Learned on the radio from some nutter
You'll be on the run
Here those phrases switched and tangled
As his arguments are mixed and mangled
When Daveman comes tonight

 

[flacaltenn]

"I'll keep that in mind." He said, forebodingly.

And yet, oddly, I remain untroubled.

"Hear Comes Daveman"
(Here Comes Santa Claus)

Hear comes Daveman
Hear comes Daveman
Board's biggest Con
Flacaltenn and Westwall and all their cronies
Just eggin' him on
Tho he might be fringin', Socialists are cringin'
He's always ready to incite
So repeat your Shahada, recite your Quran
'Cause Daveman comes tonight

Hear comes Daveman
Hear comes Daveman
Board's biggest Con
With new catch phrases ready to utter
Learned on the radio from some nutter
You'll be on the run
Here those phrases switched and tangled
As his arguments are mixed and mangled
When Daveman comes tonight

You've obviously invested heavily in this --- but are woefully ignorant about the diff btwn art and entertainment. If flying vegetables and an angry audience dont' bother you --- than just TRY collecting tips in a hat..

Would have been quicker and a lot less expensive to just curse the old Daveman out with a one-liner.. Just sayin...

((Sung to the tune of Silent Night))

Im-per-tin-ent -- Ir-rel-e-vant
Always on.
Not so bright.

Round yon wondrous Climate Change tales
Wholly infants post monstuous Fails

Praise Impertinents' pieces
Be-for-e the troll simply Bails...

Thank-you, Thank ya very much..

 

[Abraham3]

Because you're smarter than the world's scientists. Gosh, that's reasonable.

Show us a linear delay that'll match solar forcing to the observed temperature response.

A simple 30 year delay will make a fine 1st cut..
Nothing more is really required. But it would be NICE if we also knew how to estimate the thermal balance point more accurately.. AND had some idea of whether to expect underdamped or overdamped transient responses to a step input in temperature forcing.

I believe the appropriate response is "Bologna".

 

[flacaltenn]

Because you're smarter than the world's scientists. Gosh, that's reasonable.

Show us a linear delay that'll match solar forcing to the observed temperature response.

A simple 30 year delay will make a fine 1st cut..
Nothing more is really required. But it would be NICE if we also knew how to estimate the thermal balance point more accurately.. AND had some idea of whether to expect underdamped or overdamped transient responses to a step input in temperature forcing.

I believe the appropriate response is "Bologna".

Yeah -- go with that.. Don't fork up any of the engineering knowledge you claim to have. Don't comment on the link I gave you to that Princeton paper DERIVING a 30 year thermal lag... Don't even TRY to comprehend climate system models more complicated than curve fitting.. Just go with balogna....

 

[ScienceRocks]

The entire world believes in the science behind global warming. The debate is all about the sensivity and how the natural cycles play into it.

 

[flacaltenn]

The entire world believes in the science behind global warming. The debate is all about the sensivity and how the natural cycles play into it.

By George -- that's the smartest thing you've observed in weeks..
Gotta thank you for that rare clarity and objectiveness.

 

[Kosh]

How far should we trust models?

How far should we trust models? | Climate Etc.

Who is trusting models? The problems we are seeing right now in real time have demonstrated that the models were far to conservative. Nobody expected the Arctic Ice to melt as quickly as it has. We had no idea of the potential of the feedbacks from the permafrost CO2 and CH4. The Arctic Ocean clathrates are a particularly nasty surprise. The effect of the open water in the Arctic on the Rossby waves in the Jet Stream surprised all of the meteorologists.

It is you flap-yappers that are the trusting sort. Some obese junkie on the radio rants on, and you buy into his ignorance 100%. A fake British 'Lord', with zero credentials in any science makes nonsense statements, and you are on your feet, arms in the air, shouting 'Glory Halleluyah!!!!!!'. An ex-TV weatherman with no degrees in anything has a blog in which he posts articles that are often outright lies, and you swallow it hook, line, and sinker. A bunch of dumb ass suckers.

This is a scientific subject, and the scientists have already stated what the problems are, and what kind of consequences that we might see from those problems. Scientists from every nation and political system in the world, from every discipline. And you freakin' yokels take the words of regular fruitloops over people that have spent all their lives studying science.

Every Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University, states that AGW is a fact, and a clear and present danger. But we have a bunch of dingleberries positing some kind of conspiracy among all these scientists. "Oh, where is my little tin hat, little tin hat...................................

WOW the IPCC based all their predictions on models so did James Hansen when he went before Congress and the movie that AL Gore made.

I guess now the AGW church is denying that they relied on models.

Amazing!

And for the record CO2 does NOT drive climate.

 

[Kosh]

The entire world believes in the science behind global warming. The debate is all about the sensivity and how the natural cycles play into it.

One again this shows how AGW cultists try and push AGW = global warming.

Global Warming is a natural process that has some scientific validity. AGW is a farce based on a religion.

 

[Abraham3]

How far should we trust models?

How far should we trust models? | Climate Etc.

Who is trusting models? The problems we are seeing right now in real time have demonstrated that the models were far to conservative. Nobody expected the Arctic Ice to melt as quickly as it has. We had no idea of the potential of the feedbacks from the permafrost CO2 and CH4. The Arctic Ocean clathrates are a particularly nasty surprise. The effect of the open water in the Arctic on the Rossby waves in the Jet Stream surprised all of the meteorologists.

It is you flap-yappers that are the trusting sort. Some obese junkie on the radio rants on, and you buy into his ignorance 100%. A fake British 'Lord', with zero credentials in any science makes nonsense statements, and you are on your feet, arms in the air, shouting 'Glory Halleluyah!!!!!!'. An ex-TV weatherman with no degrees in anything has a blog in which he posts articles that are often outright lies, and you swallow it hook, line, and sinker. A bunch of dumb ass suckers.

This is a scientific subject, and the scientists have already stated what the problems are, and what kind of consequences that we might see from those problems. Scientists from every nation and political system in the world, from every discipline. And you freakin' yokels take the words of regular fruitloops over people that have spent all their lives studying science.

Every Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University, states that AGW is a fact, and a clear and present danger. But we have a bunch of dingleberries positing some kind of conspiracy among all these scientists. "Oh, where is my little tin hat, little tin hat...................................

WOW the IPCC based all their predictions on models so did James Hansen when he went before Congress and the movie that AL Gore made.

I guess now the AGW church is denying that they relied on models.

Amazing!

And for the record CO2 does NOT drive climate.

God are you stupid.

 

[Impenitent]

And yet, oddly, I remain untroubled.

"Hear Comes Daveman"
(Here Comes Santa Claus)

Hear comes Daveman
Hear comes Daveman
Board's biggest Con
Flacaltenn and Westwall and all their cronies
Just eggin' him on
Tho he might be fringin', Socialists are cringin'
He's always ready to incite
So repeat your Shahada, recite your Quran
'Cause Daveman comes tonight

Hear comes Daveman
Hear comes Daveman
Board's biggest Con
With new catch phrases ready to utter
Learned on the radio from some nutter
You'll be on the run
Here those phrases switched and tangled
As his arguments are mixed and mangled
When Daveman comes tonight

You've obviously invested heavily in this --- but are woefully ignorant about the diff btwn art and entertainment. If flying vegetables and an angry audience dont' bother you --- than just TRY collecting tips in a hat..

Would have been quicker and a lot less expensive to just curse the old Daveman out with a one-liner.. Just sayin...

((Sung to the tune of Silent Night))

Im-per-tin-ent -- Ir-rel-e-vant
Always on.
Not so bright.

Round yon wondrous Climate Change tales
Wholly infants post monstuous Fails

Praise Impertinents' pieces
Be-for-e the troll simply Bails...

Thank-you, Thank ya very much..

"Message Board Lizard"
(Pinball Wizard)

Ever since I was a young boy
I've answered the forum call
From Freeper to DU
I must have played them all

Real time or any message board
I've never seen nothing like him
That privileged , dumb white kid
Mega-Methane producing ...FlatCowPen

He's lactose intolerant
On top of that conservative stuff
Munches asparagus and cauliflower
Getting close is down right ruff

Posts by intuition
Lets jargon set up the fall
Feeding all his cohorts
Gaseous producers one and all

He's a message board lizard
Munching veggies to make us cry
A message board lizard's
Got so much to hide and deny

Why do you think he does it?
I don't think anyone else could
But I know if my eyes had to burn
I'd rather it be Norwegian wood

Ain't got no distractions
Can't smell his own methane surmise
Don't see no lights aflashin'
Lighting a cigarette would be unwise

Always gets a thank-you
Never seen that gambit fail
That privileged, dumb white kid
Ought to go straight to jail

He thinks he is the Denier King
But he just wins by default
When FlatCowPen makes a stink
All debate comes to a halt

Even with his favorite fable
He can't pass the smell test
His disciples follow his lead
And the odor does the rest

That cherry pickin' , curve fittin'
Bean dippin' , CH4 spittin'
Priviledged, dumb white kid
Sure is a message board lizard

 

[flacaltenn]

"Hear Comes Daveman"
(Here Comes Santa Claus)

Hear comes Daveman
Hear comes Daveman
Board's biggest Con
Flacaltenn and Westwall and all their cronies
Just eggin' him on
Tho he might be fringin', Socialists are cringin'
He's always ready to incite
So repeat your Shahada, recite your Quran
'Cause Daveman comes tonight

Hear comes Daveman
Hear comes Daveman
Board's biggest Con
With new catch phrases ready to utter
Learned on the radio from some nutter
You'll be on the run
Here those phrases switched and tangled
As his arguments are mixed and mangled
When Daveman comes tonight

You've obviously invested heavily in this --- but are woefully ignorant about the diff btwn art and entertainment. If flying vegetables and an angry audience dont' bother you --- than just TRY collecting tips in a hat..

Would have been quicker and a lot less expensive to just curse the old Daveman out with a one-liner.. Just sayin...

((Sung to the tune of Silent Night))

Im-per-tin-ent -- Ir-rel-e-vant
Always on.
Not so bright.

Round yon wondrous Climate Change tales
Wholly infants post monstuous Fails

Praise Impertinents' pieces
Be-for-e the troll simply Bails...

Thank-you, Thank ya very much..

"Message Board Lizard"
(Pinball Wizard)

Ever since I was a young boy
I've answered the forum call
From Freeper to DU
I must have played them all

Real time or any message board
I've never seen nothing like him
That privileged , dumb white kid
Mega-Methane producing ...FlatCowPen

He's lactose intolerant
On top of that conservative stuff
Munches asparagus and cauliflower
Getting close is down right ruff

Posts by intuition
Lets jargon set up the fall
Feeding all his cohorts
Gaseous producers one and all

He's a message board lizard
Munching veggies to make us cry
A message board lizard's
Got so much to hide and deny

Why do you think he does it?
I don't think anyone else could
But I know if my eyes had to burn
I'd rather it be Norwegian wood

Ain't got no distractions
Can't smell his own methane surmise
Don't see no lights aflashin'
Lighting a cigarette would be unwise

Always gets a thank-you
Never seen that gambit fail
That privileged, dumb white kid
Ought to go straight to jail

He thinks he is the Denier King
But he just wins by default
When FlatCowPen makes a stink
All debate comes to a halt

Even with his favorite fable
He can't pass the smell test
His disciples follow his lead
And the odor does the rest

That cherry pickin' , curve fittin'
Bean dippin' , CH4 spittin'
Priviledged, dumb white kid
Sure is a message board lizard

When I retire -- the 2 of us will have a swell time.. Probably need our own forum. And I'll have to reconstruct all that recording gear I've got scattered around.

You should come to Nashville and try it country style.. Lots of table-waiting song crafters.
Thanks for the immortalization..

 

[Impenitent]

You've obviously invested heavily in this --- but are woefully ignorant about the diff btwn art and entertainment. If flying vegetables and an angry audience dont' bother you --- than just TRY collecting tips in a hat..

Would have been quicker and a lot less expensive to just curse the old Daveman out with a one-liner.. Just sayin...

((Sung to the tune of Silent Night))

Im-per-tin-ent -- Ir-rel-e-vant
Always on.
Not so bright.

Round yon wondrous Climate Change tales
Wholly infants post monstuous Fails

Praise Impertinents' pieces
Be-for-e the troll simply Bails...

Thank-you, Thank ya very much..

"Message Board Lizard"
(Pinball Wizard)

Ever since I was a young boy
I've answered the forum call
From Freeper to DU
I must have played them all

Real time or any message board
I've never seen nothing like him
That privileged , dumb white kid
Mega-Methane producing ...FlatCowPen

He's lactose intolerant
On top of that conservative stuff
Munches asparagus and cauliflower
Getting close is down right ruff

Posts by intuition
Lets jargon set up the fall
Feeding all his cohorts
Gaseous producers one and all

He's a message board lizard
Munching veggies to make us cry
A message board lizard's
Got so much to hide and deny

Why do you think he does it?
I don't think anyone else could
But I know if my eyes had to burn
I'd rather it be Norwegian wood

Ain't got no distractions
Can't smell his own methane surmise
Don't see no lights aflashin'
Lighting a cigarette would be unwise

Always gets a thank-you
Never seen that gambit fail
That privileged, dumb white kid
Ought to go straight to jail

He thinks he is the Denier King
But he just wins by default
When FlatCowPen makes a stink
All debate comes to a halt

Even with his favorite fable
He can't pass the smell test
His disciples follow his lead
And the odor does the rest

That cherry pickin' , curve fittin'
Bean dippin' , CH4 spittin'
Priviledged, dumb white kid
Sure is a message board lizard

When I retire -- the 2 of us will have a swell time.. Probably need our own forum. And I'll have to reconstruct all that recording gear I've got scattered around.

You should come to Nashville and try it country style.. Lots of table-waiting song crafters.
Thanks for the immortalization..

That might be a fun try!
Actually have relatives in the biz, but I've never done any.

 

[Old Rocks]

"Message Board Lizard"
(Pinball Wizard)

Ever since I was a young boy
I've answered the forum call
From Freeper to DU
I must have played them all

Real time or any message board
I've never seen nothing like him
That privileged , dumb white kid
Mega-Methane producing ...FlatCowPen

He's lactose intolerant
On top of that conservative stuff
Munches asparagus and cauliflower
Getting close is down right ruff

Posts by intuition
Lets jargon set up the fall
Feeding all his cohorts
Gaseous producers one and all

He's a message board lizard
Munching veggies to make us cry
A message board lizard's
Got so much to hide and deny

Why do you think he does it?
I don't think anyone else could
But I know if my eyes had to burn
I'd rather it be Norwegian wood

Ain't got no distractions
Can't smell his own methane surmise
Don't see no lights aflashin'
Lighting a cigarette would be unwise

Always gets a thank-you
Never seen that gambit fail
That privileged, dumb white kid
Ought to go straight to jail

He thinks he is the Denier King
But he just wins by default
When FlatCowPen makes a stink
All debate comes to a halt

Even with his favorite fable
He can't pass the smell test
His disciples follow his lead
And the odor does the rest

That cherry pickin' , curve fittin'
Bean dippin' , CH4 spittin'
Priviledged, dumb white kid
Sure is a message board lizard

When I retire -- the 2 of us will have a swell time.. Probably need our own forum. And I'll have to reconstruct all that recording gear I've got scattered around.

You should come to Nashville and try it country style.. Lots of table-waiting song crafters.
Thanks for the immortalization..

That might be a fun try!
Actually have relatives in the biz, but I've never done any.

Well, to both of you, I admire your talent in this area. Love satiracal songs. Please continue, and I'll even cheer you on when I disagree with the content