Interesting article on muslims in america

[deltex1]

Maybe it would help to listen to/support this guy instead...


A Battle for the Soul of Islam: An American Muslim Patriot's Fight to Save His Faith [Hardcover] [2012] (Author) M. Zuhdi Jasser: Amazon.com: Books

 

[MrShangles]

You are correct. But do 2 searches on your most trusted media. Search 1- peaceful muslim rally. Search 2-violent muslim rally.

Then spend about an hour watching the different videos , then come back and tell us if they are against Americans or do they really love us.
We gotta get smart everyone, politically correct is ok but these people want us gone, we are the great demon to them. Even the Americans that support them.


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[Coyote]

What bullshit. What absolute bullshit. Christian countries invaded and destroyed the cultures of non-Christian countries during hundreds of years of imperialism. Christian missionaries 'converted' people in those countries by decimating their cultures and bribing them with food, shelter, etc., and by manipulating them into believing that if they didn't convert to Christianity they would burn in hell. But mostly, the Christians had power, and the missionaries used that power to manipulate simple people into becoming 'Christians' in order to get rewards. They were not 'voluntarily converted to Christianity.' They were manipulated, bribed and frightened into it.

better than being beheaded, or buried neck deep and stoned to death.

It is true the more people have died in the name of religion than any other cause in the history of the world.

But we live in today's world and the only religion doing that today is Islam.

Millions upon millions were killed, murdered, massacred, maimed, put in prisons, used as slaves, their language, culture, families destroyed. How can you defend the behavior of hundreds of years of imperialism which destoryed lives and cultures? How can you? Oh yeah, because they are Christian. Right.

That wasn't the result of Christian doctrine. It just happened to be Christians who were doing it. Wars and imperialism were killing people for thousands of years before Christianity ever existed. How many people do you think the Roman Empire killed before Christianity became its official religion? The answer is millions.

It "just happened" to be Christians doing the killing? For the sake of their spreading their religion and eliminating other religions?" Keep digging...

The European powers did not conquer Africa or India to spread Christianity. In fact, the British crown had no interest in converting any of its subjects to Christianity. Spanish missionaries travelled along with the Conquistadores, the later only cared about acquiring wealth and power. They didn't give a damn about saving souls. In fact, the converted most of the native populations into slaves and worked the majority of them to death.

Christians conquered Europe to spread Christianity which they did by the sword.

You do realize slavery is rationalized in the bible - it's legit for Christians to enslave.

 

[deltex1]

better than being beheaded, or buried neck deep and stoned to death.

It is true the more people have died in the name of religion than any other cause in the history of the world.

But we live in today's world and the only religion doing that today is Islam.

Millions upon millions were killed, murdered, massacred, maimed, put in prisons, used as slaves, their language, culture, families destroyed. How can you defend the behavior of hundreds of years of imperialism which destoryed lives and cultures? How can you? Oh yeah, because they are Christian. Right.

That wasn't the result of Christian doctrine. It just happened to be Christians who were doing it. Wars and imperialism were killing people for thousands of years before Christianity ever existed. How many people do you think the Roman Empire killed before Christianity became its official religion? The answer is millions.

It "just happened" to be Christians doing the killing? For the sake of their spreading their religion and eliminating other religions?" Keep digging...

The European powers did not conquer Africa or India to spread Christianity. In fact, the British crown had no interest in converting any of its subjects to Christianity. Spanish missionaries travelled along with the Conquistadores, the later only cared about acquiring wealth and power. They didn't give a damn about saving souls. In fact, the converted most of the native populations into slaves and worked the majority of them to death.

Christians conquered Europe to spread Christianity which they did by the sword.

You do realize slavery is rationalized in the bible - it's legit for Christians to enslave.

Yeah...that explains freeing the slaves alright....great point.

 

[Coyote]

Millions upon millions were killed, murdered, massacred, maimed, put in prisons, used as slaves, their language, culture, families destroyed. How can you defend the behavior of hundreds of years of imperialism which destoryed lives and cultures? How can you? Oh yeah, because they are Christian. Right.

That wasn't the result of Christian doctrine. It just happened to be Christians who were doing it. Wars and imperialism were killing people for thousands of years before Christianity ever existed. How many people do you think the Roman Empire killed before Christianity became its official religion? The answer is millions.

It "just happened" to be Christians doing the killing? For the sake of their spreading their religion and eliminating other religions?" Keep digging...

The European powers did not conquer Africa or India to spread Christianity. In fact, the British crown had no interest in converting any of its subjects to Christianity. Spanish missionaries travelled along with the Conquistadores, the later only cared about acquiring wealth and power. They didn't give a damn about saving souls. In fact, the converted most of the native populations into slaves and worked the majority of them to death.

Christians conquered Europe to spread Christianity which they did by the sword.

You do realize slavery is rationalized in the bible - it's legit for Christians to enslave.

Yeah...that explains freeing the slaves alright....great point.

No, that was the rationale they used to oppose emancipation. Read the Bible - lots about slavery there.

 

[deltex1]

That wasn't the result of Christian doctrine. It just happened to be Christians who were doing it. Wars and imperialism were killing people for thousands of years before Christianity ever existed. How many people do you think the Roman Empire killed before Christianity became its official religion? The answer is millions.

It "just happened" to be Christians doing the killing? For the sake of their spreading their religion and eliminating other religions?" Keep digging...

The European powers did not conquer Africa or India to spread Christianity. In fact, the British crown had no interest in converting any of its subjects to Christianity. Spanish missionaries travelled along with the Conquistadores, the later only cared about acquiring wealth and power. They didn't give a damn about saving souls. In fact, the converted most of the native populations into slaves and worked the majority of them to death.

Christians conquered Europe to spread Christianity which they did by the sword.

You do realize slavery is rationalized in the bible - it's legit for Christians to enslave.

Yeah...that explains freeing the slaves alright....great point.

No, that was the rationale they used to oppose emancipation. Read the Bible - lots about slavery there.

Who am "they"?

 

[Contumacious]

Millions upon millions were killed, murdered, massacred, maimed, put in prisons, used as slaves, their language, culture, families destroyed. How can you defend the behavior of hundreds of years of imperialism which destoryed lives and cultures? How can you? Oh yeah, because they are Christian. Right.

That wasn't the result of Christian doctrine. It just happened to be Christians who were doing it. Wars and imperialism were killing people for thousands of years before Christianity ever existed. How many people do you think the Roman Empire killed before Christianity became its official religion? The answer is millions.

It "just happened" to be Christians doing the killing? For the sake of their spreading their religion and eliminating other religions?" Keep digging...

Jesus Christ never promoted killing of any kind, dumba$$ - end of story.

THE CRIMES OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD

Muslims are sanctified by the blood of murdered kafirs. If the prophet of Islam, Mohammed, was alive today he would be sitting on death row somewhere waiting for his execution. Or would he in this politically correct country??

What is important to understand is that none of these depraved and criminal acts are seen as crimes to Muslims, except if they are committed by someone else. They are all holy, divine acts that their own prophet indulged in and therefore they have been given the stamp of validation as the moral code to be emulated by all Muslim men. They are all Sunna [The traditional portion of Muslim law based on Muhammad’s words or acts, accepted (together with the Koran) as authoritative by Muslims].

• Molested his wife – six-year-old Baby Aisha. One of Baby Aisha’s wifely duties was to clean semen stains from the prophet’s clothes. The prophet would take a bath with Baby Aisha and ‘thigh’ with Baby Aisha, meaning she was too small to be penetrated so he would take his penis and rub it up and down her thighs and against her vagina. Being a man of ‘mercy’ he did not penetrate Baby Aisha until she was nine.

• Raped Baby Aisha when she was nine (texts have altered her age when Muslims could not explain why their prophet married and consummated the marriage with a small child. Koranic texts makes it clear that Mohammed married her when she was six years old. For a marriage to be legally deemed valid it had to be sexually consummated. The Hadith clearly proves that Mohammed was a notorious pedophile). Advocated sex with baby girls.

• Raped a retarded woman. Murdered a woman. Had sex with his dead aunt.

• Captured women and raped them. Kept women as sex slaves. Muhammad had sex with 61 women: many he raped. There is no consensual sex between a child girl and a man. There is no consensual sex between a master and his sex slave. There is no consensual sex between a woman conquered in war and her husband conqueror. All such sexual acts are rape. RAPE IS RAPE.

• Had eleven wives at one time. Sexually abused his wives. Raped his wives. Forced sex during their menstruation including Baby Aisha. Mentally abused his wives. Can you imagine taking a child (or any aged woman) and molesting with your hand/fist her menstruating vagina?

• Beheaded his enemies. 600/900 Jewish men at one massacre. Had Jewish boys as young as 13 years old beheaded after pulling down their pants and inspecting groin for pubic hair.

• Ordered the murder, torture, terrorization of Christians and Jews if they did not convert to Islam. Forced Christians and Jews from Saudi Arabia (the mass exile).

• Assassinated people for insulting him or Islam. Established totalitarian rule. Had followers and their families burnt alive in their homes for missing prayer.

• Ordered the extermination, torture and terrorization of kafirs. Instigated 60 massacres and personally participated in 27 of them.

• Owned and sold slaves. Enslaved women and children.

• Called his black slaves pug noses and compared them to Satan.

• Treated his black slaves as beasts of burden.

• Lied and cheated. Mohammed encouraged his men to lie to deceive someone in order to get what he wanted.

• Caused division and hatred. Ordered no befriending with Christians and Jews.

• Subjugated and oppressed Muslim women. Required them to cover their faces.

• Married his daughter–in–law.

• Approved prostitution.

• Encouraged the rape of women in front of their husbands.

• Recommended wife beating. Hit his wife – Baby Aisha.

• Murdered prisoners of war. Committed acts of terror.

• Advocated suicide attacks.

• Executed apostates and homosexuals.

• Beat children who didn’t pray. Abolished adoption.

• Honor killings of Muslim women and children.

• Beat alcoholics. Lied.

• Stoned adulators to death. Stoned a woman to death after she had given birth.

• Ordered thief’s hands/feet chopped off.

• Tortured a man out of greed.

• Looted and plundered.

• Preached hate for people of other religions.

• Extorted money from other religions

• Forced conversions to Islam

• Allowed his companions to execute, behead, rape and enslave.

That's certainly one persons opinion on history, however I strongly recommend that rather than plagiarize, you review the copy right rules and not post the entire article, and that you link to your source: Islam - The Crimes of Prophet Mohammed

That isn't opinion. It's historical fact. Muhammad even admits to most of it.

HUH?


I thought you were allergic to facts.


Bibi has given you a license to lie provided that you suck his dick.

I guess you have dutifully performed your duty.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Says who? So far you've cited an anonymous and provably altered email that's roughly a decade old. And yourself.

Neither of which I consider credible or reliable.

which statements do you think are untrue? Here's an idea, do you know any muslims? ask them.

The 'moon god' claim seemed a little tenuous. And the premise that someone can't be religious and patriotic in general is logically shaky to begin with.

Start with those.

first, semantics, I'll give you that one

second, if the teachings of islam are followed to the letter, they are in violation of the US constitution because they put religion above all else.

Man, have you made a fool of yourself!

The God of Islam is the same God of the Israelites, which is the same God of Christians, which is the God of Abraham he worshiped! All three religions are monotheistic worshipping the SAME GOD. Calling that semantics is idiotic and a dodge! That ~10 year old chain email you purloined is damned bigoted and contrived garbage and you are a lazy shit stirring IDIOT!

are you this stupid? Islams god doesnt exist you ******* retard.

Shouldn't a source be provided? I wonder why the OP didn't link to his source.

The mind reels...

Its source is from what he's been smoking:

 

[Redfish]

The Crusades were launched because Islam was trying to wipe out the Christian world. Most of the territory that is now Islam was once Christian. It was all converted through war and slaughter. Idiots like you ignore that history and focus on a few pathetic counter attacks launched by Christianity. Only idiots of your calibre are swallowing that "logic."

You mean the after the Christians tried to wipe out the Pagan world? And the territory that was then Christian was once Jewish and Pagan....man all those religious upstarts ....

Actually...the Crusades were launched because of a number of reasons but there is frantic religious historic revisionism going on in an attempt to white wash the crusades and the horrible slaughter occurred. Jeruselum and it's surrounding areas held a mix of Muslims, Jews and Christians under Muslim rulers (so much for forceable conversions). I think you need to "own" your own religious history of blood. Once a religion becomes a political power - life can suck for the non-members.

Christians didn't "wipe out" the pagan world. Pagans for the most part voluntarily converted to Christianity.

Your understanding of history is mostly the product of propaganda.

What bullshit. What absolute bullshit. Christian countries invaded and destroyed the cultures of non-Christian countries during hundreds of years of imperialism.

They didn't do it for the purpose of converting the population to Christianity, dipstick. That was an afterthought, and only the Spanish demonstrated any zeal at converting the native population to Christianity. The Dutch, British and French were only interest in material gain.

Which can also apply to Islam - a lot of times, Jews and Christians were allowed to practice their faith. Every argument you make in defense of Christianity can be made for Islam.

that is simply a lie. There are no Christian churches or Jewish synagoges in Saudi Arabia or Iran. Religions other than Islam are not allowed to exist in those muslim countries.

If you doubt that, try to take a Bible into Saudi Arabia or hold a Christian service in Iran.

 

[Coyote]

You mean the after the Christians tried to wipe out the Pagan world? And the territory that was then Christian was once Jewish and Pagan....man all those religious upstarts ....

Actually...the Crusades were launched because of a number of reasons but there is frantic religious historic revisionism going on in an attempt to white wash the crusades and the horrible slaughter occurred. Jeruselum and it's surrounding areas held a mix of Muslims, Jews and Christians under Muslim rulers (so much for forceable conversions). I think you need to "own" your own religious history of blood. Once a religion becomes a political power - life can suck for the non-members.

Christians didn't "wipe out" the pagan world. Pagans for the most part voluntarily converted to Christianity.

Your understanding of history is mostly the product of propaganda.

What bullshit. What absolute bullshit. Christian countries invaded and destroyed the cultures of non-Christian countries during hundreds of years of imperialism.

They didn't do it for the purpose of converting the population to Christianity, dipstick. That was an afterthought, and only the Spanish demonstrated any zeal at converting the native population to Christianity. The Dutch, British and French were only interest in material gain.

hichW can also apply to Islam - a lot of times, Jews and Christians were allowed to practice their faith. Every argument you make in defense of Christianity can be made for Islam.

that is simply a lie. There are no Christian churches or Jewish synagoges in Saudi Arabia or Iran. Religions other than Islam are not allowed to exist in those muslim countries.

If you doubt that, try to take a Bible into Saudi Arabia or hold a Christian service in Iran.

What specifically is a "lie"? That "a lot of times, Jews and Christians were allowed to practice their faith" under Islamic rule"? Do you think that the culture in two countries overrules 1300 years of history?

And while we're looking at history why don't you enlighten us on how wonderfully Muslims and Jews were treated under Christian conquest?

You might want to do a bit of research:
List of synagogues in Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Christianity in Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You're basing your entire thesis on Saudi Arabia.

 

[TooTall]

We have around two million Muslims in America

As a group, they tend to be well educated, family focused and law abiding

all true-----but even from secularized muslim families-------a CALIPHATIST can
(and a lot TOO OFTEN) does arise. Caliphatism is as central to Islamic ethos
as "jesus saves" is to christianity

true, but the difference is significant. Christians are not instructed to destroy non-Christians, whereas muslims are not considered good muslims unless they vow and practice the destruction on non-muslims.

Now, it is true that many American muslims to no follow those teachings. But it only takes a few like the San Bernardino and Ft Hood shooters.

To pretend that this is not a problem is very very naïve and dangerous.

"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you ... Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die." -- Dt.13:6-10

Perhaps someone should tell you the difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament.

 

[Coyote]

We have around two million Muslims in America

As a group, they tend to be well educated, family focused and law abiding

all true-----but even from secularized muslim families-------a CALIPHATIST can
(and a lot TOO OFTEN) does arise. Caliphatism is as central to Islamic ethos
as "jesus saves" is to christianity

true, but the difference is significant. Christians are not instructed to destroy non-Christians, whereas muslims are not considered good muslims unless they vow and practice the destruction on non-muslims.

Now, it is true that many American muslims to no follow those teachings. But it only takes a few like the San Bernardino and Ft Hood shooters.

To pretend that this is not a problem is very very naïve and dangerous.

"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you ... Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die." -- Dt.13:6-10

Perhaps someone should tell you the difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament.

Christians still pull quotes from the OT to justify stuff but when called on it, claim to jettison the OT.

 

[Redfish]

Christians didn't "wipe out" the pagan world. Pagans for the most part voluntarily converted to Christianity.

Your understanding of history is mostly the product of propaganda.

What bullshit. What absolute bullshit. Christian countries invaded and destroyed the cultures of non-Christian countries during hundreds of years of imperialism.

They didn't do it for the purpose of converting the population to Christianity, dipstick. That was an afterthought, and only the Spanish demonstrated any zeal at converting the native population to Christianity. The Dutch, British and French were only interest in material gain.

hichW can also apply to Islam - a lot of times, Jews and Christians were allowed to practice their faith. Every argument you make in defense of Christianity can be made for Islam.

that is simply a lie. There are no Christian churches or Jewish synagoges in Saudi Arabia or Iran. Religions other than Islam are not allowed to exist in those muslim countries.

If you doubt that, try to take a Bible into Saudi Arabia or hold a Christian service in Iran.

What specifically is a "lie"? That "a lot of times, Jews and Christians were allowed to practice their faith" under Islamic rule"? Do you think that the culture in two countries overrules 1300 years of history?

And while we're looking at history why don't you enlighten us on how wonderfully Muslims and Jews were treated under Christian conquest?

You might want to do a bit of research:
List of synagogues in Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Christianity in Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You're basing your entire thesis on Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia is the classic example because it is the home of the muslim religion. But pick any muslim country that you wish, then tell us which one allows the free practice of
Christianity or Judaism. You won't find one.

If you think Christians and Jews are free to practice their faith in Iran, then I have some valuable swamp land to sell you.

 

[bripat9643]

better than being beheaded, or buried neck deep and stoned to death.

It is true the more people have died in the name of religion than any other cause in the history of the world.

But we live in today's world and the only religion doing that today is Islam.

Millions upon millions were killed, murdered, massacred, maimed, put in prisons, used as slaves, their language, culture, families destroyed. How can you defend the behavior of hundreds of years of imperialism which destoryed lives and cultures? How can you? Oh yeah, because they are Christian. Right.

That wasn't the result of Christian doctrine. It just happened to be Christians who were doing it. Wars and imperialism were killing people for thousands of years before Christianity ever existed. How many people do you think the Roman Empire killed before Christianity became its official religion? The answer is millions.

It "just happened" to be Christians doing the killing? For the sake of their spreading their religion and eliminating other religions?" Keep digging...

The European powers did not conquer Africa or India to spread Christianity. In fact, the British crown had no interest in converting any of its subjects to Christianity. Spanish missionaries travelled along with the Conquistadores, the later only cared about acquiring wealth and power. They didn't give a damn about saving souls. In fact, the converted most of the native populations into slaves and worked the majority of them to death.

Christians conquered Europe to spread Christianity which they did by the sword.

You do realize slavery is rationalized in the bible - it's legit for Christians to enslave.

No, Christians did not "conquer" Europe. It had already been conquered by the Romans. They later became Christians.

 

[irosie91]

We have around two million Muslims in America

As a group, they tend to be well educated, family focused and law abiding

all true-----but even from secularized muslim families-------a CALIPHATIST can
(and a lot TOO OFTEN) does arise. Caliphatism is as central to Islamic ethos
as "jesus saves" is to christianity

true, but the difference is significant. Christians are not instructed to destroy non-Christians, whereas muslims are not considered good muslims unless they vow and practice the destruction on non-muslims.

Now, it is true that many American muslims to no follow those teachings. But it only takes a few like the San Bernardino and Ft Hood shooters.

To pretend that this is not a problem is very very naïve and dangerous.

"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you ... Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die." -- Dt.13:6-10

Perhaps someone should tell you the difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament.

Christians still pull quotes from the OT to justify stuff but when called on it, claim to jettison the OT.

so true----Christians do that. I have often, to the point of exasperation, noted that I read the OT, the NT and the Koran before reaching the age of majority----
and the Bhagavad gita, Ramayana and OF COURSE---the Kama sudtra------
however I did not imagine I KNEW Judaism, Christianity, islam or Hinduism by virtue of those readings. The people who interpret THEIR OWN WRITINGS---
are the people who produced them. Muhummad and his good friend
Abu Bakr -----and the people of AL AZHAR and the AYATOILETS of IRAN --
tell us about islam. The popes and protestant theologians tell us what the
NT is supposed to mean-----JOOOOOS let you know what the OT says......and
there are hindu scholars who can figure out the Sanskrit. Christians should
stick to the NT-----it is all they have. They have no idea how to interpret the OT. I learned NOTHING about islam from reading the koran-----I learned by being TOLD
by muslims what muslims say it says. The present KALIFAH ----ABU BAKR is
an authority on islam--------he even carries the name of the FIRST KALIFAH
of the first CALIPHATE-----and a muhummad appointee

 

[irosie91]

Millions upon millions were killed, murdered, massacred, maimed, put in prisons, used as slaves, their language, culture, families destroyed. How can you defend the behavior of hundreds of years of imperialism which destoryed lives and cultures? How can you? Oh yeah, because they are Christian. Right.

That wasn't the result of Christian doctrine. It just happened to be Christians who were doing it. Wars and imperialism were killing people for thousands of years before Christianity ever existed. How many people do you think the Roman Empire killed before Christianity became its official religion? The answer is millions.

It "just happened" to be Christians doing the killing? For the sake of their spreading their religion and eliminating other religions?" Keep digging...

The European powers did not conquer Africa or India to spread Christianity. In fact, the British crown had no interest in converting any of its subjects to Christianity. Spanish missionaries travelled along with the Conquistadores, the later only cared about acquiring wealth and power. They didn't give a damn about saving souls. In fact, the converted most of the native populations into slaves and worked the majority of them to death.

Christians conquered Europe to spread Christianity which they did by the sword.

You do realize slavery is rationalized in the bible - it's legit for Christians to enslave.

No, Christians did not "conquer" Europe. It has already been conquered by the Romans. They later became Christians.

not exactly-----romans who were Christians went ON TO CONQUOR Europe and also imposed Christianity ----when that empire became "Christian"

 

[bripat9643]

That wasn't the result of Christian doctrine. It just happened to be Christians who were doing it. Wars and imperialism were killing people for thousands of years before Christianity ever existed. How many people do you think the Roman Empire killed before Christianity became its official religion? The answer is millions.

It "just happened" to be Christians doing the killing? For the sake of their spreading their religion and eliminating other religions?" Keep digging...

The European powers did not conquer Africa or India to spread Christianity. In fact, the British crown had no interest in converting any of its subjects to Christianity. Spanish missionaries travelled along with the Conquistadores, the later only cared about acquiring wealth and power. They didn't give a damn about saving souls. In fact, the converted most of the native populations into slaves and worked the majority of them to death.

Christians conquered Europe to spread Christianity which they did by the sword.

You do realize slavery is rationalized in the bible - it's legit for Christians to enslave.

No, Christians did not "conquer" Europe. It has already been conquered by the Romans. They later became Christians.

not exactly-----romans who were Christians went ON TO CONQUOR Europe and also imposed Christianity ----when that empire became "Christian"

That's false. Most people in the Roman Empire became Christian by persuasion. The Romans had conquered most of year before the year 0, BCE.

 

[irosie91]

It "just happened" to be Christians doing the killing? For the sake of their spreading their religion and eliminating other religions?" Keep digging...

The European powers did not conquer Africa or India to spread Christianity. In fact, the British crown had no interest in converting any of its subjects to Christianity. Spanish missionaries travelled along with the Conquistadores, the later only cared about acquiring wealth and power. They didn't give a damn about saving souls. In fact, the converted most of the native populations into slaves and worked the majority of them to death.

Christians conquered Europe to spread Christianity which they did by the sword.

You do realize slavery is rationalized in the bible - it's legit for Christians to enslave.

No, Christians did not "conquer" Europe. It has already been conquered by the Romans. They later became Christians.

not exactly-----romans who were Christians went ON TO CONQUOR Europe and also imposed Christianity ----when that empire became "Christian"

That's false. Most people in the Roman Empire became Christian by persuasion. The Romans had conquered most of year before the year 0, BCE.

not really.......GAUL the part of the british isles is not ALL OF EUROPE----furthermore-----THE LAWS OF CONSTANTINE-----(canon law) became
the law of the roman empire -------that law penalized non-Christians------
THAT is how Christianity was foisted on large parts of Europe

 

[Coyote]

What bullshit. What absolute bullshit. Christian countries invaded and destroyed the cultures of non-Christian countries during hundreds of years of imperialism.

They didn't do it for the purpose of converting the population to Christianity, dipstick. That was an afterthought, and only the Spanish demonstrated any zeal at converting the native population to Christianity. The Dutch, British and French were only interest in material gain.

hichW can also apply to Islam - a lot of times, Jews and Christians were allowed to practice their faith. Every argument you make in defense of Christianity can be made for Islam.

that is simply a lie. There are no Christian churches or Jewish synagoges in Saudi Arabia or Iran. Religions other than Islam are not allowed to exist in those muslim countries.

If you doubt that, try to take a Bible into Saudi Arabia or hold a Christian service in Iran.

What specifically is a "lie"? That "a lot of times, Jews and Christians were allowed to practice their faith" under Islamic rule"? Do you think that the culture in two countries overrules 1300 years of history?

And while we're looking at history why don't you enlighten us on how wonderfully Muslims and Jews were treated under Christian conquest?

You might want to do a bit of research:
List of synagogues in Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Christianity in Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You're basing your entire thesis on Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia is the classic example because it is the home of the muslim religion. But pick any muslim country that you wish, then tell us which one allows the free practice of
Christianity or Judaism. You won't find one.

If you think Christians and Jews are free to practice their faith in Iran, then I have some valuable swamp land to sell you.

Saudi Arabia is one country only - and not even the most populous. As far as recognizing, allowing free worship of other religions that varies from country to country. Even non-Muslim countries don't always allow for the free worship of non-nation recognized religion. Religious tolerance is very much a western ideal and the lack of such around the world makes it even more compelling that we fight to protect it here.

Iran has Christian and Jewish populations, who are able to practice their religion though they are subject to the same very restrictive laws as everyone else.

Indonesia allows for the free practice of state recognized religions - of which only 6 are recognized as state religions and seem to allow the free worship of a number of other minority faiths.

Tajikistan is overwhelmingly Muslim but has a tiny Christian and Jewish minority that is allowed to worship freely and the government cracks down on Islamic extremism.

Those a just a few.

 

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It "just happened" to be Christians doing the killing? For the sake of their spreading their religion and eliminating other religions?" Keep digging...

The European powers did not conquer Africa or India to spread Christianity. In fact, the British crown had no interest in converting any of its subjects to Christianity. Spanish missionaries travelled along with the Conquistadores, the later only cared about acquiring wealth and power. They didn't give a damn about saving souls. In fact, the converted most of the native populations into slaves and worked the majority of them to death.

Christians conquered Europe to spread Christianity which they did by the sword.

You do realize slavery is rationalized in the bible - it's legit for Christians to enslave.

No, Christians did not "conquer" Europe. It has already been conquered by the Romans. They later became Christians.

not exactly-----romans who were Christians went ON TO CONQUOR Europe and also imposed Christianity ----when that empire became "Christian"

That's false. Most people in the Roman Empire became Christian by persuasion. The Romans had conquered most of year before the year 0, BCE.

Persuasion like this?

Christian Persecution of Pagans and Heathens - Bad News About Christianity