Incomes up and Poverty Down in 2019

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And leadership should be based on MERIT.
If you really believed this you would be opposed to affirmative action and Biden saying he was going to pick and African American women as his running mate. Clearly, MERIT is not the prevailing factor in determining who is qualified to most leftists.
 

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And leadership should be based on MERIT.
If you really believed this you would be opposed to affirmative action and Biden saying he was going to pick and African American women as his running mate. Clearly, MERIT is not the prevailing factor in determining who is qualified to most leftists.
Like Impeached Trump announcing he's picking a woman for the Supreme Court.
 

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We had no problem funding it and a lot more until Reagan decided to give away the store to the rich. Heck, even the MODERATE tax increases Clinton did gave us balanced budgets.
Actually, it's a stupid analogy. I've never seen anyone put a carrot in front of a horse on a stick. The reality was, the New Deal worked because people were motivated to work harder because they were seeing the benefits. Then they spent more, creating more jobs.

Compare America in the 1920's to America in the 1950's, you can see the difference.
It had nothing to do with social programs. Nobody goes to work with the attitude "gee, if I work hard enough and live long enough, I can get on the government retirement program!"

Again, it's the reward system that keep us going. In socialist countries, there is little reward for moving ahead. It's why some of their productive citizens come here. The non-productive citizens come here to take advantage of our social programs putting us further and further into debt.

Did you ever go to Sea World? I have because there used to be one about a half-hour away, but you can get videos of the entertainment center. When the animal did a trick it was trained to do, the trainer would reward the animal with a treat each and every time. From the animals perspective, if there is no reward, there is no sense in doing the trick. We humans are the exact same way.

But WHY didn't Americans buy their own stuff? Again, it's a difference in ATTITUDES. The Germans and Japanese focused on QUALITY. The American companies focused on profitability. It wasn't a union guy who decided to make the Ford Pinto, and then refused to recall it because it was cheaper to pay out a few families that burned to death than the millions of $11.00 repairs for a total recall.

The America CEO wanted a bigger return, the German CEO wanted to make a better car. It's not just that the Americans refused to buy American cars, it's that no one else really wanted them, either.
We bought foreign cars because we got a bigger bang for our buck. We buy other foreign products because they are made cheaper and cost much less money. With the last American made car I owned (Malibu) after 30,000 miles, my mechanic drove it more than I did. It was he who told me of the high quality Japanese cars had, and that's the reason he seldom worked on them.

I did some research on the net, paid close attention to the cars I seen on the side of the road, and found he was absolutely correct. Plus with my experience dealing with UAW employees, there was nothing left to guess at. My next purchase was a Toyota, and I've never regretted it.

The largest expenditure of most businesses are employee wages and benefits. A CEO making a mil or so a year is not going to effect the price of anything that much, especially compared to tens of thousands of other employees that car companies have.

Okay, but then you fail to realize WHY American cars have those 'legacy costs". The Germans and Japanese have - wait for it - universal health care. They don't have to tack on the expense of worker's insurance to each and every car.

It's amazing that on some level, even you know what we are doing doesn't work... but you go for the most illogical solution you can find.
Okay, so let's say we surrender our healthcare to government. Employers overhead goes down, do you think we won't pay for that healthcare in some other way? This is what's known as a zero sum gain.
 

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If you really believed this you would be opposed to affirmative action and Biden saying he was going to pick and African American women as his running mate. Clearly, MERIT is not the prevailing factor in determining who is qualified to most leftists.
Harris is vastly more qualified than Dan Quayle or Sarah Palin was.

Actually, the only qualifications to be VP are she has to be at least 35 years old, born here and not from the same state as her running mate.
 

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It had nothing to do with social programs. Nobody goes to work with the attitude "gee, if I work hard enough and live long enough, I can get on the government retirement program!"
Says the guy who is on a government retirement program even though he's capable of working.

Did you ever go to Sea World? I have because there used to be one about a half-hour away, but you can get videos of the entertainment center. When the animal did a trick it was trained to do, the trainer would reward the animal with a treat each and every time. From the animals perspective, if there is no reward, there is no sense in doing the trick. We humans are the exact same way.
Hey, funny thing about Sea World. They shut that shit down because it was cruel to the animals. Since you brought it up, maybe you should watch the movie "Blackfish", about how Orcas at Sea World get sick and tired of their trainers' shit and kill them.

We bought foreign cars because we got a bigger bang for our buck. We buy other foreign products because they are made cheaper and cost much less money. With the last American made car I owned (Malibu) after 30,000 miles, my mechanic drove it more than I did. It was he who told me of the high quality Japanese cars had, and that's the reason he seldom worked on them.
Okay, buddy, you just made my point with different words.

American cars were based on the GREED of the big three, and they produced shit.
The Germans and Japanese, were concentrated on QUALITY.

Their unionized workers had more rights than ours did, and they produced better products. Imagine that.

Okay, so let's say we surrender our healthcare to government. Employers overhead goes down, do you think we won't pay for that healthcare in some other way? This is what's known as a zero sum gain.
Okay, let's look at that. First, the costs will be more evenly distributed across the population. Secondly, we will get rid of a lot of the overhead like 3 employees in every doctor's office to figure out paperwork and insurance executives making eight figure incomes.

The Europeans and Japanese spend 8-11% of GDP on health care. We spend 17%. They cover more people and get better results. Oh, their hospitals don't look as fancy, but the care is better and available to everyone.
 
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Actually, the only qualifications to be VP are she has to be at least 35 years old, born here and not from the same state as her running mate.
We aren't talking about qualifications, but merit. Many people meet the minimal qualifications to be VP, but only one can be hired and the pool of qualified applicants should not be limited only to those of a certain race or gender. The person with the highest merit, meaning particularly worthy as compared to everyone else, should get the job. For Democrats, I guess it is ok to limit the pool to people of a certain race and/or gender, because it promotes the Democrats ideology, which of course supersedes everything, including common sense.
 

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It had nothing to do with social programs. Nobody goes to work with the attitude "gee, if I work hard enough and live long enough, I can get on the government retirement program!"
Says the guy who is on a government retirement program even though he's capable of working.

Did you ever go to Sea World? I have because there used to be one about a half-hour away, but you can get videos of the entertainment center. When the animal did a trick it was trained to do, the trainer would reward the animal with a treat each and every time. From the animals perspective, if there is no reward, there is no sense in doing the trick. We humans are the exact same way.
Hey, funny thing about Sea World. They shut that shit down because it was cruel to the animals. Since you brought it up, maybe you should watch the movie "Blackfish", about how Orcas at Sea World get sick and tired of their trainers' shit and kill them.

We bought foreign cars because we got a bigger bang for our buck. We buy other foreign products because they are made cheaper and cost much less money. With the last American made car I owned (Malibu) after 30,000 miles, my mechanic drove it more than I did. It was he who told me of the high quality Japanese cars had, and that's the reason he seldom worked on them.
Okay, buddy, you just made my point with different words.

American cars were based on the GREED of the big three, and they produced shit.
The Germans and Japanese, were concentrated on QUALITY.

Their unionized workers had more rights than ours did, and they produced better products. Imagine that.

Okay, so let's say we surrender our healthcare to government. Employers overhead goes down, do you think we won't pay for that healthcare in some other way? This is what's known as a zero sum gain.
Okay, let's look at that. First, the costs will be more evenly distributed across the population. Secondly, we will get rid of a lot of the overhead like 3 employees in every doctor's office to figure out paperwork and insurance executives making eight figure incomes.

The Europeans and Japanese spend 8-11% of GDP on health care. We spend 17%. They cover more people and get better results. Oh, their hospitals don't look as fancy, but the care is better and available to everyone.
Huh, apparently it isn't shut down.....imagine that JoeB is lying dog. Whoda thunk it.

SeaWorld is committed to the health and safety of our guests, employees, and the animals in our care.

 

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We aren't talking about qualifications, but merit. Many people meet the minimal qualifications to be VP, but only one can be hired and the pool of qualified applicants should not be limited only to those of a certain race or gender. The person with the highest merit, meaning particularly worthy as compared to everyone else, should get the job. For Democrats, I guess it is ok to limit the pool to people of a certain race and/or gender, because it promotes the Democrats ideology, which of course supersedes everything, including common sense.
Again, you guys were willing to name Palin to the job, and she was fucking retarded.

Frankly, for the last 200 years, we've limited the Presidency and Vice-Presidency to almost exclusively to White Males*. Are you really claiming that all the qualified people came from the 35% of the population that is white and have dicks?

(* Obama was half black, and Charles Curtis was 3/8ths Native American. Who was Charles Curtis? My point exactly.)
 

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Huh, apparently it isn't shut down.....imagine that JoeB is lying dog. Whoda thunk it.

SeaWorld is committed to the health and safety of our guests, employees, and the animals in our care.
Uh, yeah, you missed my point..

My point was, and I realize you are a bit retarded, was that Ray's example of trainers using incentives to get Orcas to perform on command isn't a good one, since it was cruel to the animals AND they lashed out at the trainers.

Seaworld finally shut down Orca shows, and we are all better off for it.

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Huh, apparently it isn't shut down.....imagine that JoeB is lying dog. Whoda thunk it.

SeaWorld is committed to the health and safety of our guests, employees, and the animals in our care.
Uh, yeah, you missed my point..

My point was, and I realize you are a bit retarded, was that Ray's example of trainers using incentives to get Orcas to perform on command isn't a good one, since it was cruel to the animals AND they lashed out at the trainers.

Seaworld finally shut down Orca shows, and we are all better off for it.

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That's not what you said Joey, you got caught in a lie.

Again
 
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Frankly, for the last 200 years, we've limited the Presidency and Vice-Presidency to almost exclusively to White Males*. Are you really claiming that all the qualified people came from the 35% of the population that is white and have dicks?
I am claiming that when you state that you will not even entertain a large group simply because of their race or gender, it is discrimination. Even if it wasn't stated in the past but only white males were seriously considered due to some racists/sexists motive, does it make it right to do the exact same thing overtly by omitting a race and sex from consideration?

I might also add, it isn't about "all the qualified people" it is about the most qualified person. That seems to fly right over you lefties heads. I am technically qualified to be an NFL wide receiver. I can run and I can catch. I guess they should hire me.
 

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That's not what you said Joey, you got caught in a lie.

Again
Um, that's exactly what I said, your reading comprehension skills are poor.

Here's my original statement.

Hey, funny thing about Sea World. They shut that shit down because it was cruel to the animals. Since you brought it up, maybe you should watch the movie "Blackfish", about how Orcas at Sea World get sick and tired of their trainers' shit and kill them.
 

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I am claiming that when you state that you will not even entertain a large group simply because of their race or gender, it is discrimination. Even if it wasn't stated in the past but only white males were seriously considered due to some racists/sexists motive, does it make it right to do the exact same thing overtly by omitting a race and sex from consideration?
Would depend on the circumstances. I think at this point in history, with race and gender issues being what they are, race and gender ARE important qualifications....

I might also add, it isn't about "all the qualified people" it is about the most qualified person. That seems to fly right over you lefties heads. I am technically qualified to be an NFL wide receiver. I can run and I can catch. I guess they should hire me.
Okay- Again- you guys made Dan Quayle Vice President. You know, the guy who couldn't spell "Potato" in a Fifth Grade Spelling Bee.

Now you are terrified of Harris because she's black and she has a vagina!!!
 

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Okay- Again- you guys made Dan Quayle Vice President. You know, the guy who couldn't spell "Potato" in a Fifth Grade Spelling Bee.
And now you have a similar guy on your side running for President.
 

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Again, you guys were willing to name Palin to the job, and she was fucking retarded.

Frankly, for the last 200 years, we've limited the Presidency and Vice-Presidency to almost exclusively to White Males*. Are you really claiming that all the qualified people came from the 35% of the population that is white and have dicks?
Years ago few women or minorities got into politics. Before that no women or minorities had any political interest. You can only choose from what you have in front of you. Not a lot of women had an advanced education since most were stay at home moms. Most minorities also didn't have the education.
 

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KH is a genius compared to Quayle and Palin put together.

What is the problem with the far right freaks?
 

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Says the guy who is on a government retirement program even though he's capable of working.
Well......in as much as I trust a guy on an internet blog to determine my health situation over the government doctor that took me out, and all the doctors and medical staff at the disability office in our state capital, I would really have to ask where you got my medical records to make such a determination? What did you discuss with all these medial professionals about my condition?

"Folks, just remember, Democrats always....always think they are the smartest people in the room."
Rush Limbaugh

Hey, funny thing about Sea World. They shut that shit down because it was cruel to the animals. Since you brought it up, maybe you should watch the movie "Blackfish", about how Orcas at Sea World get sick and tired of their trainers' shit and kill them.
When you're dealing with non-domestic animals, that's always a risk. Like my medical situation, you also know what animals are thinking too. It's amazing you are just a resume writer with all your talents and skills.

Our Sea World shut down because there are only so many times you can go somewhere to watch fish. Years ago I was dating a girl who wanted to go. I haven't been there in many years, so I said what the hell.

It's a good thing I took a lot of cash with me. It cost me $180.00 just for admission for both of us. I don't even want to go into the price for beer and other beverages. It didn't shutdown because of cruelty to animals. I know you on the left would love to take credit for that, just like when you people shutdown the longstanding Barnum & Bailey circus that entertained millions of children for generations, but that's not what happened here.

Okay, buddy, you just made my point with different words.

American cars were based on the GREED of the big three, and they produced shit.
The Germans and Japanese, were concentrated on QUALITY.

Their unionized workers had more rights than ours did, and they produced better products. Imagine that
Their unions don't pay them ridiculous wages and benefits. To compete against those good foreign cars and still pay UAW wages and benefits, they only had one choice, and that was to use lower quality parts for their cars.

I can't tell you how many days and nights I spent at the Lordstown plant here in Ohio. The union workers didn't unload you because they simply didn't feel like it. Sure, our companies charged them for detent time, but the workers didn't care the least. They weren't paying the bill, their company was, and they couldn't do a damn thing about it because the UAW had so much power.

I remember one poor driver who was there for five hours. In disgust he finally approached the receiving guy, told him how long he was there, and that he had to be in Missouri by the end of the next day. The receiver said "Do you want to use our phone to tell them that's not going to happen?" He let off a maniacal laugh right in his face as he drove off on his tow motor.

Tell me that goes on in German auto plants.

Okay, let's look at that. First, the costs will be more evenly distributed across the population. Secondly, we will get rid of a lot of the overhead like 3 employees in every doctor's office to figure out paperwork and insurance executives making eight figure incomes.

The Europeans and Japanese spend 8-11% of GDP on health care. We spend 17%. They cover more people and get better results. Oh, their hospitals don't look as fancy, but the care is better and available to everyone.
They didn't get better results. Not all health statistics are related to our or others healthcare system. Much of it is individual choices. When VIP's from other countries need serious procedures or surgery, they fly to the US. I'm a patient at the world famous Cleveland Clinic and seen this first hand on multiple occasions, and my sister has worked there for over 30 years. I know what goes on here.
 

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Most minorities also didn't have the education.
Tell us again how totally not racist you are, Ray, that shit never gets old.

They didn't get better results. Not all health statistics are related to our or others healthcare system. Much of it is individual choices. When VIP's from other countries need serious procedures or surgery, they fly to the US. I'm a patient at the world famous Cleveland Clinic and seen this first hand on multiple occasions, and my sister has worked there for over 30 years. I know what goes on here.
Rich people from Third World Countries fly in to our clinics, not rich people from rich countries.

On the stats, they live longer, they have lower infant mortality rates, oh, and let's not forget, almost all of the G7 countries handled Covid better than we did.

Well......in as much as I trust a guy on an internet blog to determine my health situation over the government doctor that took me out, and all the doctors and medical staff at the disability office in our state capital, I would really have to ask where you got my medical records to make such a determination? What did you discuss with all these medial professionals about my condition?
If you can sit behind a computer and whine about the darkies all day, you have time to work behind a computer in an office. But why do that, when you can collect some of the New Deal Welfare. Just remember to say a prayer to St. Franklin Delano when you cash your welfare check.

When you're dealing with non-domestic animals, that's always a risk. Like my medical situation, you also know what animals are thinking too. It's amazing you are just a resume writer with all your talents and skills.
Well, it's called, "Doing Research". The Orcas at Seaworld were being kept in horrible conditions, and Cetacean Scientists (those are scientists who study whales) complained for years that this treatment was unacceptable.

So to use your metaphor, eventually, the whales got fed up and started attacking their trainers... kind of like people are getting fed up now and attack the cops.

I can't tell you how many days and nights I spent at the Lordstown plant here in Ohio. The union workers didn't unload you because they simply didn't feel like it. Sure, our companies charged them for detent time, but the workers didn't care the least. They weren't paying the bill, their company was, and they couldn't do a damn thing about it because the UAW had so much power.
Or maybe it was your attitude... Point was, how long you waited on the dock because you were an asshole to the dock guys had nothing to do with the quality of the car being produced. That was ENTIRELY on the decisions made in the executive offices to produce crap.

You see, my Dad would have never bought a Japanese Car. He was a WWII vet and still pissed off about Pearl Harbor. My first car was a Chevette. It was an absolute piece of crap, but it's what I could afford on an Army Specialist's salary. You take a look at the list of the ten worst cars ever produced, it's the Yugo and nine economy American cars.... And if your starter car was crap, you don't go the premium models when you can afford them.

This is where the Japanese and Germans won the car wars.
 

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