Income equality bull shit.

[Redfish]

We DO have equality of opportunity? Not so sure.

To say something like that would be to assume that crony capitalism no longer exists, that the market place is driven by pure competition, and that individuals are hired always on merit. Not sure if that's the case. It's a buddy/buddy world out there. The "best family" will always beat out the "best man".

I think you're oversimplifying things.

I do agree with you in that Obama's mention of the argument is purely politically motivated, and quite insincere.

Yes, we do have equality of opportunity. The fact that some have to work harder for the opportunity does not mean that it does not exist.

No one ever said that everyone would reach the top or that everyone would not fail. Equality of opportunity includes both the opportunity to succeed and the opportunity to fail.

equal results were not ever guaranteed

I understand your argument and agree with most of it, however I think you're failing to understand mine.

My point is that crony capitalism is on the rise (vs on the fall), and that politicians are becoming less and less honorable/ethical, and that this is seriously beginning to threaten a poor American's ability to ascend and succeed if they have the skill and talent to do so.

Maybe it's always been that way - I don't know - however I've read at least a few books that have mentioned the fact that a Congressperson on a defense committee today wouldn't think twice about attending a fundraiser and rub shoulders with powerful defense lobbyists whereas 50 years ago that type of thing would be heavily frowned upon as unethical.

My point is that we're headed in the wrong direction, and that any resemblances of a "free market" are quickly fading with each passing year.

I ful

I think we are pretty much in agreement. corporate and special interest bribery of politicians is a problem. Liberal thinking is another problem.

As to the defence industry, that industry employees millions of americans in good paying blue and white collar jobs, those companies and their employees pay billions in federal taxes.

the industry is not the problem, the problem is the DC mindset that the USA has to police the world and force our value system on other countries.

the best warship or plane or tank is one that is never used but the enemy knows that it could be if necessary.

I favor term limits and a ban of all types of lobbying.

 

[kwc57]

Massive inequality of outcome - the path to the end of capitalism and Democracy
modest inequality of outcome - growing prosperous capitalist system
Equality of outcome - never gonna happen

I find it amusing to watch people complain about this issue while displaying such woeful ignorance of what the problem is and what is being complained about.

So, the "problem" as you see it is that people like Oprah and Beyonce have tons of money and you have very little. Have you asked them to send some to you?

No, the problem is that when wealth is controlled by a few, we get an Oligarchy. The masses then start reaching for the pitchforks and torches and storm the Bastille. As I have stated before, it is amusing when you guys call Obama a socialist when he is nothing of the sort. He is a corporatist, just like every president. If Obama's a socialist, then he is the worst socialist that ever walked the earth.

Obama is roundly inept at everything.

 

[Truthmatters]

Supreme Court denies RNC bid to end voter fraud consent decree - Los Angeles Times



your cheating is court documented all the way to the SCOTUS

they cant accept facts.

they are insane



they want this country run on a fucking pack of lies

 

[Truthmatters]

why cant they even talk about these undeniable facts?


because they are lying sacks of shit

 

[PredFan]

It's an election year and we will be hearing a lot if bull shit. No bigger pile of crap than "income equality" or lack thereof.

While we should have equality of opportunity (and we do), no one has a right to equality of outcome. The outcome of your opportunity is entirely up to you.

This whole issue is nothing but "spreading the wealth around" rehashed. Obama and the democrats didn't do anything about income equality in the first 5 years, in fact the gap has gotten worse, so they think that if they call it something else they can repackage it and sell it to the sheeple again and they will buy it. They have no real plan to do anything about it but campaign on it.

Equality of opportunity - free capitalist society
Equality of outcome - oppressive socialist society

"Income inequality," like very other libturd propaganda meme, is a justification to loot your income. Libturds are always looking for ways to get their hands on more of what you have earned. Liberalism can't expand and grow without a growing share of the national product. They will never give up.

The funny thing is that Obama was preaching that crap 6 years ago and he has only succeeded in widening the gap. Now they changed it to income equality and their empty headed follower will buy it.

 

[Redfish]

Massive inequality of outcome - the path to the end of capitalism and Democracy
modest inequality of outcome - growing prosperous capitalist system
Equality of outcome - never gonna happen

I find it amusing to watch people complain about this issue while displaying such woeful ignorance of what the problem is and what is being complained about.

So, the "problem" as you see it is that people like Oprah and Beyonce have tons of money and you have very little. Have you asked them to send some to you?

No, the problem is that when wealth is controlled by a few, we get an Oligarchy. The masses then start reaching for the pitchforks and torches and storm the Bastille. As I have stated before, it is amusing when you guys call Obama a socialist when he is nothing of the sort. He is a corporatist, just like every president. If Obama's a socialist, then he is the worst socialist that ever walked the earth.

obama is not a true socialist, he is as marxist collectivist. Nationalizing industry (healthcare) is a marxist collectivist mandate.

 

[Bombur]

Equality of opportunity - free capitalist society
Equality of outcome - oppressive socialist society

Massive inequality of outcome - the path to the end of capitalism and Democracy
modest inequality of outcome - growing prosperous capitalist system
Equality of outcome - never gonna happen

I find it amusing to watch people complain about this issue while displaying such woeful ignorance of what the problem is and what is being complained about.

So, the "problem" as you see it is that people like Oprah and Beyonce have tons of money and you have very little. Have you asked them to send some to you?

Nope!

Try again. This time try really hard like a rich person and not a poor person.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Yes, we do have equality of opportunity. The fact that some have to work harder for the opportunity does not mean that it does not exist.

No one ever said that everyone would reach the top or that everyone would not fail. Equality of opportunity includes both the opportunity to succeed and the opportunity to fail.

equal results were not ever guaranteed

I understand your argument and agree with most of it, however I think you're failing to understand mine.

My point is that crony capitalism is on the rise (vs on the fall), and that politicians are becoming less and less honorable/ethical, and that this is seriously beginning to threaten a poor American's ability to ascend and succeed if they have the skill and talent to do so.

Maybe it's always been that way - I don't know - however I've read at least a few books that have mentioned the fact that a Congressperson on a defense committee today wouldn't think twice about attending a fundraiser and rub shoulders with powerful defense lobbyists whereas 50 years ago that type of thing would be heavily frowned upon as unethical.

My point is that we're headed in the wrong direction, and that any resemblances of a "free market" are quickly fading with each passing year.

I ful

I think we are pretty much in agreement. corporate and special interest bribery of politicians is a problem. Liberal thinking is another problem.

As to the defence industry, that industry employees millions of americans in good paying blue and white collar jobs, those companies and their employees pay billions in federal taxes.

the industry is not the problem, the problem is the DC mindset that the USA has to police the world and force our value system on other countries.

the best warship or plane or tank is one that is never used but the enemy knows that it could be if necessary.

I favor term limits and a ban of all types of lobbying.

Bolded should be titled: Why Citizens United is a bad idea

 

[Redfish]

Massive inequality of outcome - the path to the end of capitalism and Democracy
modest inequality of outcome - growing prosperous capitalist system
Equality of outcome - never gonna happen

I find it amusing to watch people complain about this issue while displaying such woeful ignorance of what the problem is and what is being complained about.

So, the "problem" as you see it is that people like Oprah and Beyonce have tons of money and you have very little. Have you asked them to send some to you?

Nope!

Try again. This time try really hard like a rich person and not a poor person.

first of all the gap between rich and poor has gotten larger under obama's reign.

second, the USA still has a huge middle class that is paying most of the bills to run the country.

third, the rich are paying more than their "fair share". if "fair share" means a proportional share.

fourth, conservative rich people give vastly more to charities than liberal rich people

fifth, the rich create jobs when they spend or invest their money, no jobs are created when the rich have their money taken by the government.

sixth, I don't know if I am rich by your definition, but I am very comfortably retired with a nice income from investments.

 

[Redfish]

I understand your argument and agree with most of it, however I think you're failing to understand mine.

My point is that crony capitalism is on the rise (vs on the fall), and that politicians are becoming less and less honorable/ethical, and that this is seriously beginning to threaten a poor American's ability to ascend and succeed if they have the skill and talent to do so.

Maybe it's always been that way - I don't know - however I've read at least a few books that have mentioned the fact that a Congressperson on a defense committee today wouldn't think twice about attending a fundraiser and rub shoulders with powerful defense lobbyists whereas 50 years ago that type of thing would be heavily frowned upon as unethical.

My point is that we're headed in the wrong direction, and that any resemblances of a "free market" are quickly fading with each passing year.

I ful

I think we are pretty much in agreement. corporate and special interest bribery of politicians is a problem. Liberal thinking is another problem.

As to the defence industry, that industry employees millions of americans in good paying blue and white collar jobs, those companies and their employees pay billions in federal taxes.

the industry is not the problem, the problem is the DC mindset that the USA has to police the world and force our value system on other countries.

the best warship or plane or tank is one that is never used but the enemy knows that it could be if necessary.

I favor term limits and a ban of all types of lobbying.

Bolded should be titled: Why Citizens United is a bad idea

bribing politicians is a bad idea no matter who is doing it.

 

[PredFan]

It's an election year and we will be hearing a lot if bull shit. No bigger pile of crap than "income equality" or lack thereof.

While we should have equality of opportunity (and we do), no one has a right to equality of outcome. The outcome of your opportunity is entirely up to you.

This whole issue is nothing but "spreading the wealth around" rehashed. Obama and the democrats didn't do anything about income equality in the first 5 years, in fact the gap has gotten worse, so they think that if they call it something else they can repackage it and sell it to the sheeple again and they will buy it. They have no real plan to do anything about it but campaign on it.

Equality of opportunity - free capitalist society
Equality of outcome - oppressive socialist society

We DO have equality of opportunity? Not so sure.

To say something like that would be to assume that crony capitalism no longer exists, that the market place is driven by pure competition, and that individuals are hired always on merit. Not sure if that's the case. It's a buddy/buddy world out there. The "best family" will always beat out the "best man".

I think you're oversimplifying things.

I do agree with you in that Obama's mention of the argument is purely politically motivated, and quite insincere.

I understand your point but I don't agree. In the cases where we are talking about the very very rich you might have a point, but there is no family stopping you from becoming what many would call wealthy.

What family stopped Bill Gates? Wealth isn't finite. Just because someone has a lot of it doesn't mean they are preventing others from achieving it.

 

[PredFan]

What a load of horse dung.
When jobs began moving to Mexico under Reagan you're gonna tell me Reagan couldn't humble the unions instead?
Bull crap.
We saw what he did to the Air Traffic Controllers...he destroyed their lives.
It's all about displacing the American worker.

What the hell are you talking about and what does it have to do with the income equality myth? Do you even know?

 

[PredFan]

Equality of opportunity - free capitalist society
Equality of outcome - oppressive socialist society

Massive inequality of outcome - the path to the end of capitalism and Democracy
modest inequality of outcome - growing prosperous capitalist system
Equality of outcome - never gonna happen

I find it amusing to watch people complain about this issue while displaying such woeful ignorance of what the problem is and what is being complained about.

Careful man, you're going to overload the irony meter. Those things are expensive.

 

[PredFan]

how many American voters do you think you can piss off and still cheat enough to win?

Irrelevant.

 

[PredFan]

Supreme Court denies RNC bid to end voter fraud consent decree - Los Angeles Times



your cheating is court documented all the way to the SCOTUS

Quit trolling my thread with your irrelevant nonsense.

 

[Bombur]

So, the "problem" as you see it is that people like Oprah and Beyonce have tons of money and you have very little. Have you asked them to send some to you?

Nope!

Try again. This time try really hard like a rich person and not a poor person.

first of all the gap between rich and poor has gotten larger under obama's reign.

second, the USA still has a huge middle class that is paying most of the bills to run the country.

third, the rich are paying more than their "fair share". if "fair share" means a proportional share.

fourth, conservative rich people give vastly more to charities than liberal rich people

fifth, the rich create jobs when they spend or invest their money, no jobs are created when the rich have their money taken by the government.

sixth, I don't know if I am rich by your definition, but I am very comfortably retired with a nice income from investments.

Obama has done very little to correct the problem. I would also point to Clinton as the one President that did the most to perpetuate this cycle.

I agree with your second assertion. That is why I want to make sure it is growing and the lower class is healthy.

Third point I disagree. Especially those who earn their money through capital gains. I would look at all taxes combined and not just one or two.

fourth, who cares really.

Fifth, no jobs are created when there is no demand for production. If there is demand for production suppliers find a way to get money. Considering interest rates are so low I think it is pretty clear the problem is not a lack of capital.

Sixth, I doubt you are rich by my definition. Most likely I would consider you upper middle class. I don't blame the rich for what is happening btw.

 

[PredFan]

Equality and freedom are mutually exclusive terms. They cannot coexist. One permits great opportunity, the other produces absolute tyranny.

good point, but probably beyond the comprehension level of our resident liberals.

Correct.

 

[rightwinger]

I understand we have a small percentage of our population that controls a major portion of our wealth and income

I have no desire to try to take away that wealth, but as a taxpayer, I question why we should continue policies that only serve to add to that wealth

 

[Redfish]

Nope!

Try again. This time try really hard like a rich person and not a poor person.

first of all the gap between rich and poor has gotten larger under obama's reign.

second, the USA still has a huge middle class that is paying most of the bills to run the country.

third, the rich are paying more than their "fair share". if "fair share" means a proportional share.

fourth, conservative rich people give vastly more to charities than liberal rich people

fifth, the rich create jobs when they spend or invest their money, no jobs are created when the rich have their money taken by the government.

sixth, I don't know if I am rich by your definition, but I am very comfortably retired with a nice income from investments.

Obama has done very little to correct the problem. I would also point to Clinton as the one President that did the most to perpetuate this cycle.

I agree with your second assertion. That is why I want to make sure it is growing and the lower class is healthy.

Third point I disagree. Especially those who earn their money through capital gains. I would look at all taxes combined and not just one or two.

fourth, who cares really.

Fifth, no jobs are created when there is no demand for production. If there is demand for production suppliers find a way to get money. Considering interest rates are so low I think it is pretty clear the problem is not a lack of capital.

Sixth, I doubt you are rich by my definition. Most likely I would consider you upper middle class. I don't blame the rich for what is happening btw.[/QUOTE]







who do you blame? just curious.

 

[PredFan]

Closed Caption is a fine example if the sheeple who will buy into this rehashing of the old scam from 2008. He won't even care to notice that the gap has widened under his hero Obama.