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In the 1940s the US went to war to fight people who shouted down Jews, who marched through the streets with Swastikas, Nazis essentially. And they made memorials for people who would stand up to such intolerance with a gun in their hand and shoot that those fucking Nazis.

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Here's one.

Now if you stand up and use violence against people who believe almost the same thing, what does the right say? Well, probably what the right said before WW2.

American supporters of the European Fascists

"Hitler is recognized by the whole of the political and official intelligentsia as an exceedingly able man. As of the militarist question: One may say with complete certainty that what Hitler said in his Reichstag speech on May 17 was exactly what he meant and accurately represents the policy that he will pursue."
 

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bad thoughts and one murder are worse than multiple murders and billions of dollars in damages and healthcare expenses!
Thanks for that!
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In the 1940s the US went to war to fight people who shouted down Jews, who marched through the streets with Swastikas, Nazis essentially. And they made memorials for people who would stand up to such intolerance with a gun in their hand and shoot that those fucking Nazis.

800px-Aerial_view_of_National_World_War_II_Memorial.jpg


Here's one.

Now if you stand up and use violence against people who believe almost the same thing, what does the right say? Well, probably what the right said before WW2.

American supporters of the European Fascists

"Hitler is recognized by the whole of the political and official intelligentsia as an exceedingly able man. As of the militarist question: One may say with complete certainty that what Hitler said in his Reichstag speech on May 17 was exactly what he meant and accurately represents the policy that he will pursue."
Try that with out the logical fallacy next time. Think about it before you respond. Is the US now or ever been Germany in mindset and culture? Are the neo-nazis in this country marching into other countries and taking over? Are the neo-nazis in this country a small, loud but insignificant fringe group? (I'll answer that for you, yes they are). Are we a country of laws or just mob rule?
 

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In the 1940s the US went to war to fight people who shouted down Jews, who marched through the streets with Swastikas, Nazis essentially. And they made memorials for people who would stand up to such intolerance with a gun in their hand and shoot that those fucking Nazis.

800px-Aerial_view_of_National_World_War_II_Memorial.jpg


Here's one.

Now if you stand up and use violence against people who believe almost the same thing, what does the right say? Well, probably what the right said before WW2.

American supporters of the European Fascists

"Hitler is recognized by the whole of the political and official intelligentsia as an exceedingly able man. As of the militarist question: One may say with complete certainty that what Hitler said in his Reichstag speech on May 17 was exactly what he meant and accurately represents the policy that he will pursue."

The far left in the US loved Hitler.....until he attacked Russia.
 
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In the 1940s the US went to war to fight people who shouted down Jews, who marched through the streets with Swastikas, Nazis essentially. And they made memorials for people who would stand up to such intolerance with a gun in their hand and shoot that those fucking Nazis.

800px-Aerial_view_of_National_World_War_II_Memorial.jpg


Here's one.

Now if you stand up and use violence against people who believe almost the same thing, what does the right say? Well, probably what the right said before WW2.

American supporters of the European Fascists

"Hitler is recognized by the whole of the political and official intelligentsia as an exceedingly able man. As of the militarist question: One may say with complete certainty that what Hitler said in his Reichstag speech on May 17 was exactly what he meant and accurately represents the policy that he will pursue."
Try that with out the logical fallacy next time. Think about it before you respond. Is the US now or ever been Germany in mindset and culture? Are the neo-nazis in this country marching into other countries and taking over? Are the neo-nazis in this country a small, loud but insignificant fringe group? (I'll answer that for you, yes they are). Are we a country of laws or just mob rule?

The point isn't whether they're marching into other countries and taking over. The Nazis in the 1920s weren't marching into other countries and taking over. They wanted to, but they didn't have the power to do so. It required effort. The conditions were right for such a thing by the late 1930s, they needed to get power, they got that.

In the US what do the Nazis want? Just because they can't get it, doesn't mean they don't want this.
 
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In the 1940s the US went to war to fight people who shouted down Jews, who marched through the streets with Swastikas, Nazis essentially. And they made memorials for people who would stand up to such intolerance with a gun in their hand and shoot that those fucking Nazis.

800px-Aerial_view_of_National_World_War_II_Memorial.jpg


Here's one.

Now if you stand up and use violence against people who believe almost the same thing, what does the right say? Well, probably what the right said before WW2.

American supporters of the European Fascists

"Hitler is recognized by the whole of the political and official intelligentsia as an exceedingly able man. As of the militarist question: One may say with complete certainty that what Hitler said in his Reichstag speech on May 17 was exactly what he meant and accurately represents the policy that he will pursue."

The far left in the US loved Hitler.....until he attacked Russia.

So.... where's the evidence this was the case?
 

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In the 1940s the US went to war to fight people who shouted down Jews, who marched through the streets with Swastikas, Nazis essentially. And they made memorials for people who would stand up to such intolerance with a gun in their hand and shoot that those fucking Nazis.

800px-Aerial_view_of_National_World_War_II_Memorial.jpg


Here's one.

Now if you stand up and use violence against people who believe almost the same thing, what does the right say? Well, probably what the right said before WW2.

American supporters of the European Fascists

"Hitler is recognized by the whole of the political and official intelligentsia as an exceedingly able man. As of the militarist question: One may say with complete certainty that what Hitler said in his Reichstag speech on May 17 was exactly what he meant and accurately represents the policy that he will pursue."

Conservatives, as usual, will deny these facts.

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They will also deny this fact, which proves the stupidity of the conservatives...again.


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In the 1940s the US went to war to fight people who shouted down Jews, who marched through the streets with Swastikas, Nazis essentially. And they made memorials for people who would stand up to such intolerance with a gun in their hand and shoot that those fucking Nazis.

800px-Aerial_view_of_National_World_War_II_Memorial.jpg


Here's one.

Now if you stand up and use violence against people who believe almost the same thing, what does the right say? Well, probably what the right said before WW2.

American supporters of the European Fascists

"Hitler is recognized by the whole of the political and official intelligentsia as an exceedingly able man. As of the militarist question: One may say with complete certainty that what Hitler said in his Reichstag speech on May 17 was exactly what he meant and accurately represents the policy that he will pursue."
Try that with out the logical fallacy next time. Think about it before you respond. Is the US now or ever been Germany in mindset and culture? Are the neo-nazis in this country marching into other countries and taking over? Are the neo-nazis in this country a small, loud but insignificant fringe group? (I'll answer that for you, yes they are). Are we a country of laws or just mob rule?

The point isn't whether they're marching into other countries and taking over. The Nazis in the 1920s weren't marching into other countries and taking over. They wanted to, but they didn't have the power to do so. It required effort. The conditions were right for such a thing by the late 1930s, they needed to get power, they got that.

In the US what do the Nazis want? Just because they can't get it, doesn't mean they don't want this.
Never said they didn't which means you completely missed the point. You're worried about a fringe element in this country who's heyday is thankfully long past, not growing. Of course confronting them especially with violence gives them the national attention they crave, a self validation they attempt to employ as propaganda. So if you want to strengthen their propaganda and national attention then by all means go ahead and clash with them, if you want to marginalize them even more then let them have their rallies and ignore them, they will then become a mere postscript on local news reports.
They do not have the sway in this country (nor never will at this stage in our history) that the Nazis ultimately had in Germany, we're not Germans and we don't think like the Germans of the 20s, 30s and 40s. The vast majority of Americans despise at least their message of hate and are not looking for racial scapegoats though some are obviously looking for political scapegoats.
 
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In the 1940s the US went to war to fight people who shouted down Jews, who marched through the streets with Swastikas, Nazis essentially. And they made memorials for people who would stand up to such intolerance with a gun in their hand and shoot that those fucking Nazis.

800px-Aerial_view_of_National_World_War_II_Memorial.jpg


Here's one.

Now if you stand up and use violence against people who believe almost the same thing, what does the right say? Well, probably what the right said before WW2.

American supporters of the European Fascists

"Hitler is recognized by the whole of the political and official intelligentsia as an exceedingly able man. As of the militarist question: One may say with complete certainty that what Hitler said in his Reichstag speech on May 17 was exactly what he meant and accurately represents the policy that he will pursue."
Try that with out the logical fallacy next time. Think about it before you respond. Is the US now or ever been Germany in mindset and culture? Are the neo-nazis in this country marching into other countries and taking over? Are the neo-nazis in this country a small, loud but insignificant fringe group? (I'll answer that for you, yes they are). Are we a country of laws or just mob rule?

The point isn't whether they're marching into other countries and taking over. The Nazis in the 1920s weren't marching into other countries and taking over. They wanted to, but they didn't have the power to do so. It required effort. The conditions were right for such a thing by the late 1930s, they needed to get power, they got that.

In the US what do the Nazis want? Just because they can't get it, doesn't mean they don't want this.
Never said they didn't which means you completely missed the point. You're worried about a fringe element in this country who's heyday is thankfully long past, not growing. Of course confronting them especially with violence gives them the national attention they crave, a self validation they attempt to employ as propaganda. So if you want to strengthen their propaganda and national attention then by all means go ahead and clash with them, if you want to marginalize them even more then let them have their rallies and ignore them, they will then become a mere postscript on local news reports.
They do not have the sway in this country (nor never will at this stage in our history) that the Nazis ultimately had in Germany, we're not Germans and we don't think like the Germans of the 20s, 30s and 40s. The vast majority of Americans despise at least their message of hate and are not looking for racial scapegoats though some are obviously looking for political scapegoats.

The problem is, if people don't worry about it, then it grows. What those on the left did was use violence and get the message out there. The media has therefore been full of the message that might otherwise have been ignored.

The discussion is out there and kids are seeing this discussion, and it's mostly anti-Nazi.
 

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In the 1940s the US went to war to fight people who shouted down Jews, who marched through the streets with Swastikas, Nazis essentially. And they made memorials for people who would stand up to such intolerance with a gun in their hand and shoot that those fucking Nazis.

800px-Aerial_view_of_National_World_War_II_Memorial.jpg


Here's one.

Now if you stand up and use violence against people who believe almost the same thing, what does the right say? Well, probably what the right said before WW2.

American supporters of the European Fascists

"Hitler is recognized by the whole of the political and official intelligentsia as an exceedingly able man. As of the militarist question: One may say with complete certainty that what Hitler said in his Reichstag speech on May 17 was exactly what he meant and accurately represents the policy that he will pursue."

The far left in the US loved Hitler.....until he attacked Russia.

So.... where's the evidence this was the case?

On September 17 the Soviet Union invaded eastern Poland and occupied the Polish territory assigned to it by the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, followed by co-ordination with German forces in Poland.[19][20]

The British, French, and German Communist parties, all originally war supporters, abandoned their anti-Fascist crusades, demanded peace, and denounced Allied governments.[21] The CPUSA turned the focus of its public activities from anti-fascism to advocating peace, not only opposing military preparations but also condemning those opposed to Hitler. The CPUSA attacked British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain and French leader Édouard Daladier, but did not at first attack President Roosevelt, reasoning that this could devastate American Communism, blaming instead Roosevelt's advisors.[21]

In October and November, after the Soviets invaded Finland and forced mutual assistance pacts from Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, the CPUSA considered Russian security sufficient justification to support the actions.[22] Secret short wave radio broadcasts in October from Comintern leader Georgi Dimitrov ordered Stalinist Browder to change the CPUSA's support for Roosevelt.[22] On October 23, the CPUSA began attacking Roosevelt.[23]

The CPUSA dropped its boycott of Nazi goods, spread the slogans "The Yanks Are Not Coming" and "Hands Off", set up a "perpetual peace vigil" across the street from the White House and announced that Roosevelt was the head of the "war party of the American bourgeoisie".[23] By April 1940, the CPUSA Daily Worker's line seemed not so much antiwar as simply pro-German.[24] A pamphlet stated the Jews had just as much to fear from Britain and France as they did Germany.[24] In August 1940, after NKVD agent Ramón Mercader killed Leon Trotsky with an ice axe, Browder perpetuated Moscow's fiction that the killer, who had been dating one of Trotsky's secretaries, was a disillusioned follower.[25]

In allegiance to the Soviet Union, the party changed this policy again after Adolf Hitler broke the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact by attacking the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941.

History of the Communist Party USA - Wikipedia
 

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In the 1940s the US went to war to fight people who shouted down Jews, who marched through the streets with Swastikas, Nazis essentially. And they made memorials for people who would stand up to such intolerance with a gun in their hand and shoot that those fucking Nazis.

800px-Aerial_view_of_National_World_War_II_Memorial.jpg


Here's one.

Now if you stand up and use violence against people who believe almost the same thing, what does the right say? Well, probably what the right said before WW2.

American supporters of the European Fascists

"Hitler is recognized by the whole of the political and official intelligentsia as an exceedingly able man. As of the militarist question: One may say with complete certainty that what Hitler said in his Reichstag speech on May 17 was exactly what he meant and accurately represents the policy that he will pursue."
Try that with out the logical fallacy next time. Think about it before you respond. Is the US now or ever been Germany in mindset and culture? Are the neo-nazis in this country marching into other countries and taking over? Are the neo-nazis in this country a small, loud but insignificant fringe group? (I'll answer that for you, yes they are). Are we a country of laws or just mob rule?

The point isn't whether they're marching into other countries and taking over. The Nazis in the 1920s weren't marching into other countries and taking over. They wanted to, but they didn't have the power to do so. It required effort. The conditions were right for such a thing by the late 1930s, they needed to get power, they got that.

In the US what do the Nazis want? Just because they can't get it, doesn't mean they don't want this.
Never said they didn't which means you completely missed the point. You're worried about a fringe element in this country who's heyday is thankfully long past, not growing. Of course confronting them especially with violence gives them the national attention they crave, a self validation they attempt to employ as propaganda. So if you want to strengthen their propaganda and national attention then by all means go ahead and clash with them, if you want to marginalize them even more then let them have their rallies and ignore them, they will then become a mere postscript on local news reports.
They do not have the sway in this country (nor never will at this stage in our history) that the Nazis ultimately had in Germany, we're not Germans and we don't think like the Germans of the 20s, 30s and 40s. The vast majority of Americans despise at least their message of hate and are not looking for racial scapegoats though some are obviously looking for political scapegoats.

The problem is, if people don't worry about it, then it grows. What those on the left did was use violence and get the message out there. The media has therefore been full of the message that might otherwise have been ignored.

The discussion is out there and kids are seeing this discussion, and it's mostly anti-Nazi.
It doesn't grow unless you believe that most Americans don't believe in freedom, don't hate Nazism or any other form of totalitarian government. This country isn't the white enclave it used to be with 18th and early to mid 19th century mindsets. You worry too much about nothing and using violence to get one's point accross is unlawful, I don't care who does it. Again we are a nation of laws not a nation of mob rule.
 
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In the 1940s the US went to war to fight people who shouted down Jews, who marched through the streets with Swastikas, Nazis essentially. And they made memorials for people who would stand up to such intolerance with a gun in their hand and shoot that those fucking Nazis.

800px-Aerial_view_of_National_World_War_II_Memorial.jpg


Here's one.

Now if you stand up and use violence against people who believe almost the same thing, what does the right say? Well, probably what the right said before WW2.

American supporters of the European Fascists

"Hitler is recognized by the whole of the political and official intelligentsia as an exceedingly able man. As of the militarist question: One may say with complete certainty that what Hitler said in his Reichstag speech on May 17 was exactly what he meant and accurately represents the policy that he will pursue."

The far left in the US loved Hitler.....until he attacked Russia.

So.... where's the evidence this was the case?

On September 17 the Soviet Union invaded eastern Poland and occupied the Polish territory assigned to it by the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, followed by co-ordination with German forces in Poland.[19][20]

The British, French, and German Communist parties, all originally war supporters, abandoned their anti-Fascist crusades, demanded peace, and denounced Allied governments.[21] The CPUSA turned the focus of its public activities from anti-fascism to advocating peace, not only opposing military preparations but also condemning those opposed to Hitler. The CPUSA attacked British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain and French leader Édouard Daladier, but did not at first attack President Roosevelt, reasoning that this could devastate American Communism, blaming instead Roosevelt's advisors.[21]

In October and November, after the Soviets invaded Finland and forced mutual assistance pacts from Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, the CPUSA considered Russian security sufficient justification to support the actions.[22] Secret short wave radio broadcasts in October from Comintern leader Georgi Dimitrov ordered Stalinist Browder to change the CPUSA's support for Roosevelt.[22] On October 23, the CPUSA began attacking Roosevelt.[23]

The CPUSA dropped its boycott of Nazi goods, spread the slogans "The Yanks Are Not Coming" and "Hands Off", set up a "perpetual peace vigil" across the street from the White House and announced that Roosevelt was the head of the "war party of the American bourgeoisie".[23] By April 1940, the CPUSA Daily Worker's line seemed not so much antiwar as simply pro-German.[24] A pamphlet stated the Jews had just as much to fear from Britain and France as they did Germany.[24] In August 1940, after NKVD agent Ramón Mercader killed Leon Trotsky with an ice axe, Browder perpetuated Moscow's fiction that the killer, who had been dating one of Trotsky's secretaries, was a disillusioned follower.[25]

In allegiance to the Soviet Union, the party changed this policy again after Adolf Hitler broke the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact by attacking the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941.

History of the Communist Party USA - Wikipedia

Well done for copying and pasting wikipedia. Not many people have the skill to do that you know.
 
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In the 1940s the US went to war to fight people who shouted down Jews, who marched through the streets with Swastikas, Nazis essentially. And they made memorials for people who would stand up to such intolerance with a gun in their hand and shoot that those fucking Nazis.

800px-Aerial_view_of_National_World_War_II_Memorial.jpg


Here's one.

Now if you stand up and use violence against people who believe almost the same thing, what does the right say? Well, probably what the right said before WW2.

American supporters of the European Fascists

"Hitler is recognized by the whole of the political and official intelligentsia as an exceedingly able man. As of the militarist question: One may say with complete certainty that what Hitler said in his Reichstag speech on May 17 was exactly what he meant and accurately represents the policy that he will pursue."
Try that with out the logical fallacy next time. Think about it before you respond. Is the US now or ever been Germany in mindset and culture? Are the neo-nazis in this country marching into other countries and taking over? Are the neo-nazis in this country a small, loud but insignificant fringe group? (I'll answer that for you, yes they are). Are we a country of laws or just mob rule?

The point isn't whether they're marching into other countries and taking over. The Nazis in the 1920s weren't marching into other countries and taking over. They wanted to, but they didn't have the power to do so. It required effort. The conditions were right for such a thing by the late 1930s, they needed to get power, they got that.

In the US what do the Nazis want? Just because they can't get it, doesn't mean they don't want this.
Never said they didn't which means you completely missed the point. You're worried about a fringe element in this country who's heyday is thankfully long past, not growing. Of course confronting them especially with violence gives them the national attention they crave, a self validation they attempt to employ as propaganda. So if you want to strengthen their propaganda and national attention then by all means go ahead and clash with them, if you want to marginalize them even more then let them have their rallies and ignore them, they will then become a mere postscript on local news reports.
They do not have the sway in this country (nor never will at this stage in our history) that the Nazis ultimately had in Germany, we're not Germans and we don't think like the Germans of the 20s, 30s and 40s. The vast majority of Americans despise at least their message of hate and are not looking for racial scapegoats though some are obviously looking for political scapegoats.

The problem is, if people don't worry about it, then it grows. What those on the left did was use violence and get the message out there. The media has therefore been full of the message that might otherwise have been ignored.

The discussion is out there and kids are seeing this discussion, and it's mostly anti-Nazi.
It doesn't grow unless you believe that most Americans don't believe in freedom, don't hate Nazism or any other form of totalitarian government. This country isn't the white enclave it used to be with 18th and early to mid 19th century mindsets. You worry too much about nothing and using violence to get one's point accross is unlawful, I don't care who does it. Again we are a nation of laws not a nation of mob rule.

I think Trump got elected. I think there are enough Americans out there to make it happen.

Hitler got elected with what, 33% of the vote? 33.09% actually. Trump got 46.1%

How did Hitler go from 33% of the vote to 92% of the vote later that year? He played politics. He stirred things up, he used nationalism, he used bullying, he burned things down.

Yes, it was a different system, and it would be harder for neo-Nazis to take over, but what Hitler did wasn't easy.

Could it happen in the US?

Well, you get someone like Trump, make him a bit more supportive of the neo-Nazis, get a few Congressmen, start making stuff up and get a few Supreme Court justices thrown off the court, put your own people in, you just made it two out of three. What about Congress? Well, you start fiddling with stuff, changing boundaries, preventing a few people from being able to vote here and there and suddenly you've got yourself a nice old majority that can't be damaged in Congress.

Then if you can get enough state legislatures on board, you can change the constitution, unless you got the Supreme Court to change their meaning on what the Constitution means, which has also happened in the past.

The US system is open to abuse because it has been abused, all it takes is someone with the energy and charisma to push it through, and it could happen.
 

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In the 1940s the US went to war to fight people who shouted down Jews, who marched through the streets with Swastikas, Nazis essentially. And they made memorials for people who would stand up to such intolerance with a gun in their hand and shoot that those fucking Nazis.

800px-Aerial_view_of_National_World_War_II_Memorial.jpg


Here's one.

Now if you stand up and use violence against people who believe almost the same thing, what does the right say? Well, probably what the right said before WW2.

American supporters of the European Fascists

"Hitler is recognized by the whole of the political and official intelligentsia as an exceedingly able man. As of the militarist question: One may say with complete certainty that what Hitler said in his Reichstag speech on May 17 was exactly what he meant and accurately represents the policy that he will pursue."
In 1941 when the USA went to war it was because (1) Japan attacked Hawaii and (2) because Adolf declared war on the US declaring war on Japan.

Had nothing to do with Jews.

Nor freedom.

It was all about revenge.
 

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Try that with out the logical fallacy next time. Think about it before you respond. Is the US now or ever been Germany in mindset and culture? Are the neo-nazis in this country marching into other countries and taking over? Are the neo-nazis in this country a small, loud but insignificant fringe group? (I'll answer that for you, yes they are). Are we a country of laws or just mob rule?

The point isn't whether they're marching into other countries and taking over. The Nazis in the 1920s weren't marching into other countries and taking over. They wanted to, but they didn't have the power to do so. It required effort. The conditions were right for such a thing by the late 1930s, they needed to get power, they got that.

In the US what do the Nazis want? Just because they can't get it, doesn't mean they don't want this.
Never said they didn't which means you completely missed the point. You're worried about a fringe element in this country who's heyday is thankfully long past, not growing. Of course confronting them especially with violence gives them the national attention they crave, a self validation they attempt to employ as propaganda. So if you want to strengthen their propaganda and national attention then by all means go ahead and clash with them, if you want to marginalize them even more then let them have their rallies and ignore them, they will then become a mere postscript on local news reports.
They do not have the sway in this country (nor never will at this stage in our history) that the Nazis ultimately had in Germany, we're not Germans and we don't think like the Germans of the 20s, 30s and 40s. The vast majority of Americans despise at least their message of hate and are not looking for racial scapegoats though some are obviously looking for political scapegoats.

The problem is, if people don't worry about it, then it grows. What those on the left did was use violence and get the message out there. The media has therefore been full of the message that might otherwise have been ignored.

The discussion is out there and kids are seeing this discussion, and it's mostly anti-Nazi.
It doesn't grow unless you believe that most Americans don't believe in freedom, don't hate Nazism or any other form of totalitarian government. This country isn't the white enclave it used to be with 18th and early to mid 19th century mindsets. You worry too much about nothing and using violence to get one's point accross is unlawful, I don't care who does it. Again we are a nation of laws not a nation of mob rule.

I think Trump got elected. I think there are enough Americans out there to make it happen.

Hitler got elected with what, 33% of the vote? 33.09% actually. Trump got 46.1%

How did Hitler go from 33% of the vote to 92% of the vote later that year? He played politics. He stirred things up, he used nationalism, he used bullying, he burned things down.

Yes, it was a different system, and it would be harder for neo-Nazis to take over, but what Hitler did wasn't easy.

Could it happen in the US?

Well, you get someone like Trump, make him a bit more supportive of the neo-Nazis, get a few Congressmen, start making stuff up and get a few Supreme Court justices thrown off the court, put your own people in, you just made it two out of three. What about Congress? Well, you start fiddling with stuff, changing boundaries, preventing a few people from being able to vote here and there and suddenly you've got yourself a nice old majority that can't be damaged in Congress.

Then if you can get enough state legislatures on board, you can change the constitution, unless you got the Supreme Court to change their meaning on what the Constitution means, which has also happened in the past.

The US system is open to abuse because it has been abused, all it takes is someone with the energy and charisma to push it through, and it could happen.
My relatives lived during the era of Adolf in Germany and they said after Adolf overran France he was viewed as a god.

That's how.
 

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Try that with out the logical fallacy next time. Think about it before you respond. Is the US now or ever been Germany in mindset and culture? Are the neo-nazis in this country marching into other countries and taking over? Are the neo-nazis in this country a small, loud but insignificant fringe group? (I'll answer that for you, yes they are). Are we a country of laws or just mob rule?

The point isn't whether they're marching into other countries and taking over. The Nazis in the 1920s weren't marching into other countries and taking over. They wanted to, but they didn't have the power to do so. It required effort. The conditions were right for such a thing by the late 1930s, they needed to get power, they got that.

In the US what do the Nazis want? Just because they can't get it, doesn't mean they don't want this.
Never said they didn't which means you completely missed the point. You're worried about a fringe element in this country who's heyday is thankfully long past, not growing. Of course confronting them especially with violence gives them the national attention they crave, a self validation they attempt to employ as propaganda. So if you want to strengthen their propaganda and national attention then by all means go ahead and clash with them, if you want to marginalize them even more then let them have their rallies and ignore them, they will then become a mere postscript on local news reports.
They do not have the sway in this country (nor never will at this stage in our history) that the Nazis ultimately had in Germany, we're not Germans and we don't think like the Germans of the 20s, 30s and 40s. The vast majority of Americans despise at least their message of hate and are not looking for racial scapegoats though some are obviously looking for political scapegoats.

The problem is, if people don't worry about it, then it grows. What those on the left did was use violence and get the message out there. The media has therefore been full of the message that might otherwise have been ignored.

The discussion is out there and kids are seeing this discussion, and it's mostly anti-Nazi.
It doesn't grow unless you believe that most Americans don't believe in freedom, don't hate Nazism or any other form of totalitarian government. This country isn't the white enclave it used to be with 18th and early to mid 19th century mindsets. You worry too much about nothing and using violence to get one's point accross is unlawful, I don't care who does it. Again we are a nation of laws not a nation of mob rule.

I think Trump got elected. I think there are enough Americans out there to make it happen.

Hitler got elected with what, 33% of the vote? 33.09% actually. Trump got 46.1%

How did Hitler go from 33% of the vote to 92% of the vote later that year? He played politics. He stirred things up, he used nationalism, he used bullying, he burned things down.

Yes, it was a different system, and it would be harder for neo-Nazis to take over, but what Hitler did wasn't easy.

Could it happen in the US?

Well, you get someone like Trump, make him a bit more supportive of the neo-Nazis, get a few Congressmen, start making stuff up and get a few Supreme Court justices thrown off the court, put your own people in, you just made it two out of three. What about Congress? Well, you start fiddling with stuff, changing boundaries, preventing a few people from being able to vote here and there and suddenly you've got yourself a nice old majority that can't be damaged in Congress.

Then if you can get enough state legislatures on board, you can change the constitution, unless you got the Supreme Court to change their meaning on what the Constitution means, which has also happened in the past.

The US system is open to abuse because it has been abused, all it takes is someone with the energy and charisma to push it through, and it could happen.
It appears that you believe all or most conservatives are really fascist and racist at heart or am I wrong? :dunno:
 
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The point isn't whether they're marching into other countries and taking over. The Nazis in the 1920s weren't marching into other countries and taking over. They wanted to, but they didn't have the power to do so. It required effort. The conditions were right for such a thing by the late 1930s, they needed to get power, they got that.

In the US what do the Nazis want? Just because they can't get it, doesn't mean they don't want this.
Never said they didn't which means you completely missed the point. You're worried about a fringe element in this country who's heyday is thankfully long past, not growing. Of course confronting them especially with violence gives them the national attention they crave, a self validation they attempt to employ as propaganda. So if you want to strengthen their propaganda and national attention then by all means go ahead and clash with them, if you want to marginalize them even more then let them have their rallies and ignore them, they will then become a mere postscript on local news reports.
They do not have the sway in this country (nor never will at this stage in our history) that the Nazis ultimately had in Germany, we're not Germans and we don't think like the Germans of the 20s, 30s and 40s. The vast majority of Americans despise at least their message of hate and are not looking for racial scapegoats though some are obviously looking for political scapegoats.

The problem is, if people don't worry about it, then it grows. What those on the left did was use violence and get the message out there. The media has therefore been full of the message that might otherwise have been ignored.

The discussion is out there and kids are seeing this discussion, and it's mostly anti-Nazi.
It doesn't grow unless you believe that most Americans don't believe in freedom, don't hate Nazism or any other form of totalitarian government. This country isn't the white enclave it used to be with 18th and early to mid 19th century mindsets. You worry too much about nothing and using violence to get one's point accross is unlawful, I don't care who does it. Again we are a nation of laws not a nation of mob rule.

I think Trump got elected. I think there are enough Americans out there to make it happen.

Hitler got elected with what, 33% of the vote? 33.09% actually. Trump got 46.1%

How did Hitler go from 33% of the vote to 92% of the vote later that year? He played politics. He stirred things up, he used nationalism, he used bullying, he burned things down.

Yes, it was a different system, and it would be harder for neo-Nazis to take over, but what Hitler did wasn't easy.

Could it happen in the US?

Well, you get someone like Trump, make him a bit more supportive of the neo-Nazis, get a few Congressmen, start making stuff up and get a few Supreme Court justices thrown off the court, put your own people in, you just made it two out of three. What about Congress? Well, you start fiddling with stuff, changing boundaries, preventing a few people from being able to vote here and there and suddenly you've got yourself a nice old majority that can't be damaged in Congress.

Then if you can get enough state legislatures on board, you can change the constitution, unless you got the Supreme Court to change their meaning on what the Constitution means, which has also happened in the past.

The US system is open to abuse because it has been abused, all it takes is someone with the energy and charisma to push it through, and it could happen.
It appears that you believe all or most conservatives are really fascist and racist at heart or am I wrong? :dunno:

It appears does it? How is that? What in what I have written gives you any hint that I think all or most conservatives are racists?
 

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Never said they didn't which means you completely missed the point. You're worried about a fringe element in this country who's heyday is thankfully long past, not growing. Of course confronting them especially with violence gives them the national attention they crave, a self validation they attempt to employ as propaganda. So if you want to strengthen their propaganda and national attention then by all means go ahead and clash with them, if you want to marginalize them even more then let them have their rallies and ignore them, they will then become a mere postscript on local news reports.
They do not have the sway in this country (nor never will at this stage in our history) that the Nazis ultimately had in Germany, we're not Germans and we don't think like the Germans of the 20s, 30s and 40s. The vast majority of Americans despise at least their message of hate and are not looking for racial scapegoats though some are obviously looking for political scapegoats.

The problem is, if people don't worry about it, then it grows. What those on the left did was use violence and get the message out there. The media has therefore been full of the message that might otherwise have been ignored.

The discussion is out there and kids are seeing this discussion, and it's mostly anti-Nazi.
It doesn't grow unless you believe that most Americans don't believe in freedom, don't hate Nazism or any other form of totalitarian government. This country isn't the white enclave it used to be with 18th and early to mid 19th century mindsets. You worry too much about nothing and using violence to get one's point accross is unlawful, I don't care who does it. Again we are a nation of laws not a nation of mob rule.

I think Trump got elected. I think there are enough Americans out there to make it happen.

Hitler got elected with what, 33% of the vote? 33.09% actually. Trump got 46.1%

How did Hitler go from 33% of the vote to 92% of the vote later that year? He played politics. He stirred things up, he used nationalism, he used bullying, he burned things down.

Yes, it was a different system, and it would be harder for neo-Nazis to take over, but what Hitler did wasn't easy.

Could it happen in the US?

Well, you get someone like Trump, make him a bit more supportive of the neo-Nazis, get a few Congressmen, start making stuff up and get a few Supreme Court justices thrown off the court, put your own people in, you just made it two out of three. What about Congress? Well, you start fiddling with stuff, changing boundaries, preventing a few people from being able to vote here and there and suddenly you've got yourself a nice old majority that can't be damaged in Congress.

Then if you can get enough state legislatures on board, you can change the constitution, unless you got the Supreme Court to change their meaning on what the Constitution means, which has also happened in the past.

The US system is open to abuse because it has been abused, all it takes is someone with the energy and charisma to push it through, and it could happen.
It appears that you believe all or most conservatives are really fascist and racist at heart or am I wrong? :dunno:

It appears does it? How is that? What in what I have written gives you any hint that I think all or most conservatives are racists?
Considering it's only the written word and I can't see your facial inflections and body language (easy to confuse/misinterpret peoples meanings) plus it almost looks like you are possibly comparing Trump with Hitler............ That's why I phrased it the way I did; "here's what it may look like, is that correct or not?" A simple yes or no would have sufficed.
 

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In the 1940s the US went to war to fight people who shouted down Jews, who marched through the streets with Swastikas, Nazis essentially. And they made memorials for people who would stand up to such intolerance with a gun in their hand and shoot that those fucking Nazis.

800px-Aerial_view_of_National_World_War_II_Memorial.jpg


Here's one.

Now if you stand up and use violence against people who believe almost the same thing, what does the right say? Well, probably what the right said before WW2.

American supporters of the European Fascists

"Hitler is recognized by the whole of the political and official intelligentsia as an exceedingly able man. As of the militarist question: One may say with complete certainty that what Hitler said in his Reichstag speech on May 17 was exactly what he meant and accurately represents the policy that he will pursue."


That was an incredibly stupid post. That was Truthmatters/rdean stupid.
Try that with out the logical fallacy next time. Think about it before you respond. Is the US now or ever been Germany in mindset and culture? Are the neo-nazis in this country marching into other countries and taking over? Are the neo-nazis in this country a small, loud but insignificant fringe group? (I'll answer that for you, yes they are). Are we a country of laws or just mob rule?

The point isn't whether they're marching into other countries and taking over. The Nazis in the 1920s weren't marching into other countries and taking over. They wanted to, but they didn't have the power to do so. It required effort. The conditions were right for such a thing by the late 1930s, they needed to get power, they got that.

In the US what do the Nazis want? Just because they can't get it, doesn't mean they don't want this.
Never said they didn't which means you completely missed the point. You're worried about a fringe element in this country who's heyday is thankfully long past, not growing. Of course confronting them especially with violence gives them the national attention they crave, a self validation they attempt to employ as propaganda. So if you want to strengthen their propaganda and national attention then by all means go ahead and clash with them, if you want to marginalize them even more then let them have their rallies and ignore them, they will then become a mere postscript on local news reports.
They do not have the sway in this country (nor never will at this stage in our history) that the Nazis ultimately had in Germany, we're not Germans and we don't think like the Germans of the 20s, 30s and 40s. The vast majority of Americans despise at least their message of hate and are not looking for racial scapegoats though some are obviously looking for political scapegoats.

The problem is, if people don't worry about it, then it grows. What those on the left did was use violence and get the message out there. The media has therefore been full of the message that might otherwise have been ignored.

The discussion is out there and kids are seeing this discussion, and it's mostly anti-Nazi.
It doesn't grow unless you believe that most Americans don't believe in freedom, don't hate Nazism or any other form of totalitarian government. This country isn't the white enclave it used to be with 18th and early to mid 19th century mindsets. You worry too much about nothing and using violence to get one's point accross is unlawful, I don't care who does it. Again we are a nation of laws not a nation of mob rule.

I think Trump got elected. I think there are enough Americans out there to make it happen.

Hitler got elected with what, 33% of the vote? 33.09% actually. Trump got 46.1%

How did Hitler go from 33% of the vote to 92% of the vote later that year? He played politics. He stirred things up, he used nationalism, he used bullying, he burned things down.

Yes, it was a different system, and it would be harder for neo-Nazis to take over, but what Hitler did wasn't easy.

Could it happen in the US?

Well, you get someone like Trump, make him a bit more supportive of the neo-Nazis, get a few Congressmen, start making stuff up and get a few Supreme Court justices thrown off the court, put your own people in, you just made it two out of three. What about Congress? Well, you start fiddling with stuff, changing boundaries, preventing a few people from being able to vote here and there and suddenly you've got yourself a nice old majority that can't be damaged in Congress.

Then if you can get enough state legislatures on board, you can change the constitution, unless you got the Supreme Court to change their meaning on what the Constitution means, which has also happened in the past.

The US system is open to abuse because it has been abused, all it takes is someone with the energy and charisma to push it through, and it could happen.



Oh, you mean like that guy in Venezuela? No cherizma there, but plenty of government types kicking doors in and snatching people. Hitler did the same. Liberals glorify him by saying he was cherasmatic but in reality he used violance and intimidation. He was a political agitator who shut down the oppositions ability to speak. I know you guys are finally accepting your Russia thing fizzled out. But you are messing up with the Nazi thing. See, Hitler got traction because the people were broke and not happy. Here, poor people have no less then three flat screen TV's and a smart phone. They are comfortable. Someone like hitler couldn't get that going here. You give these people to much power.
 

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In the 1940s the US went to war to fight people who shouted down Jews, who marched through the streets with Swastikas, Nazis essentially. And they made memorials for people who would stand up to such intolerance with a gun in their hand and shoot that those fucking Nazis.

800px-Aerial_view_of_National_World_War_II_Memorial.jpg


Here's one.

Now if you stand up and use violence against people who believe almost the same thing, what does the right say? Well, probably what the right said before WW2.

American supporters of the European Fascists

"Hitler is recognized by the whole of the political and official intelligentsia as an exceedingly able man. As of the militarist question: One may say with complete certainty that what Hitler said in his Reichstag speech on May 17 was exactly what he meant and accurately represents the policy that he will pursue."
Going to war with them had nothing to do with them having swastikas. The swastika represented the social ideas of the nazi party somewhat like the media today represents the fascist left agenda to tear down this country.
 

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