In regard of holding Israel by double standards

[Phoenall]

Complete drivel. The Turks, unlike the Zionist colonists, expelled no-one. Show us your Ottoman "evidence" that "Palestine was very sparsely populated and the arab muslims refused to stay and colonise the land." The Palestinians have always tried to negotiate in good faith, not so the Zionist colonists.

The 'palestinians' didn't exist at the time of Ottoman rule

The Ottoman army would have disagreed with you.

Filastin Risalesi, an official publication of the Ottoman army, used as an officer’s manual for the Palestine region.

Now you've provided a map of Palestine, ple3ase explain why Jordan isn't occupying 'palestinian' land.

If Israel was made up of Muslims they wouldn't care about their occupation. So it's simply the fact that they are Jew's that is their real complaint.

Religion isn't the issue, it's the fact that the Zionists in Israel want to take all their lands and drive them out of their homes like they did in 1948, 1967 and continue to do so today; THAT's why they care about their occupation. If Israel was made up of Muslims, no-one would be trying to drive people out of their homes.

BULLSHIT When asked to provide evidence that the Jews drove them out of their homes you run for the hills as no evidence exists of them ever owning any property. And if Israel wanted to take all the land why did they give back the Sinai to Egypt and offer Egypt gaza back and Jordan the west bank. It is on record that Israel will relinquish the land the occupy once a peace treaty is signed and mutual borders are agreed, yet still you morons insist that Israel is stealing the land withouit a shred of evidence.

 

[Phoenall]

The 'palestinians' didn't exist at the time of Ottoman rule

The Ottoman army would have disagreed with you.

Filastin Risalesi, an official publication of the Ottoman army, used as an officer’s manual for the Palestine region.

Now you've provided a map of Palestine, ple3ase explain why Jordan isn't occupying 'palestinian' land.

If Israel was made up of Muslims they wouldn't care about their occupation. So it's simply the fact that they are Jew's that is their real complaint.

I Tend to agree with you here, but there was the Black September in Jordan - Muslims fighting Muslims - and if that case doesn't satisfy the point there is also Syria where Assad and his supporters are Muslims (Alwites - google that) fighting other Muslims so regardless of the love Muslims share to Jews (And Palestinians are mostly Sunnies and Shiites) it is something else.

Complete drivel. The Turks, unlike the Zionist colonists, expelled no-one. Show us your Ottoman "evidence" that "Palestine was very sparsely populated and the arab muslims refused to stay and colonise the land." The Palestinians have always tried to negotiate in good faith, not so the Zionist colonists.

The 'palestinians' didn't exist at the time of Ottoman rule

So, what were the Christians and Muslims of Palestine which were 99% of the population called?

Arabs but if you were able to ask them they'd have mostly said they were Syrian as most saw Palestine as part of Southern Syria.

I think you'll find they called themselves Palestinians, or Judeans, or Samaritans or Galilleans, or Greeks, or Syrians and ultimately Ottoman subjects.

A rose by any other name...

Still has thorns that can injure you

 

[Phoenall]

Jordan and Israel reached the agreement over the WB, the Palestinians are simply those didn't want to live in Jordan and didn't want to live in Israel - so they were trying to get rid of Israel, it is not lawful to claim for conducting a state over a current sovereign country, sorry.

Wrong! The WB was seized during the '67 war. UN resolution 242 has confirmed this.

It is naturally a state responsibility, Jerusalem ENTIRELY is a part of the state of Israel and so it will remain to the end of days, Israel CAN and SHOULD help working for the wealth and prosperity of its citizens, that applies to the WB and EJ as well since they are not part of illegal activities and all done with full agreement of both parties, if for instance Israel was "settling" in Jordan that would've been illegal, but the WB is part of the state of Israel and most definitely not part of the state of Palestine - but an Israeli territory.

Wrong again! There isn't a single country on the planet that recognizes Israel's right to that land. Not one. And there are over 100 UN resolutions saying you're full of shit.

The world wouldn't let Hitler keep Poland and it won't let you keep the occupied territories. After 50 years of no recognition, one would think you'd catch the clue.

Let's get down to the point, aside from the UNRWA confession I assume you'd have some piece of clumsy article to wave with so let's see it, and just to let you know that once a valid military target is entering a civil infrastructure it does make it instantly a warzone and a valid military target and let's not forget they didn't just went there to grab a snack and leave but for military needs such as torturing Palestinians - no wait - Mossad agents like David Blat.

The "clumsy article" is the one you're using to try and prove your point. Weapons were found at a vacant school. That doesn't automatically make the entire area a free fire zone.

That is a little exaggerated but since it's OUR soldiers lives sacrificed I beg your pardon but I'd rather having entire Gaza flattened instead of having my family and friends in danger which is why we are at war if you're not informed and yes their lives worth the lives of Hamas supporting Gaza so get over it, I'm pretty sure tactics and strategies is not your brightest side so let me educate you on the purpose of protecting your troops, this is the goal, and Israel should've taken over entire Gaza not just the north eastern side but that is a different subject.

It's not exaggerated. You dropped bombs that took out entire neighborhoods. Everyone in that neighborhood, was not a danger. And of the ones that were, it is because you illegally invaded their land.

I'm always standing for my words, sorry Bill I think you are mistaken me for the typical clowns you hang out with.

And you're words are irresponsible, if you think they supersede international law.

IDF Detains Hamas Members on Fishing Boat That Violated Restrictions Jewish Israel News Algemeiner.com
You tell me, or perhaps you can explain which particularly sick society we are hoping an entire nation would be wiped out?

Yours is a sick society. Hamas members on a fishing boat, is not illegal. A Gazan fishing boat leaving it's territorial waters into international waters, is not illegal. Israel has no jurisdiction in international waters and has no right to stop any boat. Nor does it have any right limiting Gazan fishing.

Sure, when and where. Feel free to summarize your whole accusations in one thread.

They're not accusations. I've proven everything I've said.

Hamas is an illegal terrorist organisation so whether these animals are on a fishing boat or ay Alton Towers, its illegal

HAMAS is considered a terrorist organisation by some western nations for their own political reasons, HAMAS is also the democratically elected government of Palestine, prevented from governing by a coup engineered and organised by the Zionists and their allies and currently under seige in Gaza. They are a legal government until the next Palestinian elections, whenever they will be.

Well while hamas is in power they will not allow a democratic election to take place, so they will never lose power. Unless the people of Palestine rise up and remove the dictators from power and elect a whole new government that will act in the Palestinian peoples best interests

Not so. It is Abbas who is holding up elections.

NOPE it is hamas who refuse to give the order as outlined in the charter, Abbas has no say in the matter. The fact is hamas knows that it will lose any subsequent elections because of its actions since 2006

 

[P F Tinmore]

Wrong! The WB was seized during the '67 war. UN resolution 242 has confirmed this.


Wrong again! There isn't a single country on the planet that recognizes Israel's right to that land. Not one. And there are over 100 UN resolutions saying you're full of shit.

The world wouldn't let Hitler keep Poland and it won't let you keep the occupied territories. After 50 years of no recognition, one would think you'd catch the clue.



The "clumsy article" is the one you're using to try and prove your point. Weapons were found at a vacant school. That doesn't automatically make the entire area a free fire zone.


It's not exaggerated. You dropped bombs that took out entire neighborhoods. Everyone in that neighborhood, was not a danger. And of the ones that were, it is because you illegally invaded their land.


And you're words are irresponsible, if you think they supersede international law.


Yours is a sick society. Hamas members on a fishing boat, is not illegal. A Gazan fishing boat leaving it's territorial waters into international waters, is not illegal. Israel has no jurisdiction in international waters and has no right to stop any boat. Nor does it have any right limiting Gazan fishing.


They're not accusations. I've proven everything I've said.

Hamas is an illegal terrorist organisation so whether these animals are on a fishing boat or ay Alton Towers, its illegal

HAMAS is considered a terrorist organisation by some western nations for their own political reasons, HAMAS is also the democratically elected government of Palestine, prevented from governing by a coup engineered and organised by the Zionists and their allies and currently under seige in Gaza. They are a legal government until the next Palestinian elections, whenever they will be.

Well while hamas is in power they will not allow a democratic election to take place, so they will never lose power. Unless the people of Palestine rise up and remove the dictators from power and elect a whole new government that will act in the Palestinian peoples best interests

Not so. It is Abbas who is holding up elections.

NOPE it is hamas who refuse to give the order as outlined in the charter, Abbas has no say in the matter. The fact is hamas knows that it will lose any subsequent elections because of its actions since 2006

Not so. There is a constitutional procedure for calling an election. Abbas will not allow that to happen.

 

[Phoenall]

Hamas is an illegal terrorist organisation so whether these animals are on a fishing boat or ay Alton Towers, its illegal

HAMAS is considered a terrorist organisation by some western nations for their own political reasons, HAMAS is also the democratically elected government of Palestine, prevented from governing by a coup engineered and organised by the Zionists and their allies and currently under seige in Gaza. They are a legal government until the next Palestinian elections, whenever they will be.

Well while hamas is in power they will not allow a democratic election to take place, so they will never lose power. Unless the people of Palestine rise up and remove the dictators from power and elect a whole new government that will act in the Palestinian peoples best interests

Not so. It is Abbas who is holding up elections.

NOPE it is hamas who refuse to give the order as outlined in the charter, Abbas has no say in the matter. The fact is hamas knows that it will lose any subsequent elections because of its actions since 2006

Not so. There is a constitutional procedure for calling an election. Abbas will not allow that to happen.

Hamas has been asked to start the process and have refused point blank. They are making far too much money out of the enterprise

 

[montelatici]

The 'palestinians' didn't exist at the time of Ottoman rule

The Ottoman army would have disagreed with you.

Filastin Risalesi, an official publication of the Ottoman army, used as an officer’s manual for the Palestine region.

Now you've provided a map of Palestine, ple3ase explain why Jordan isn't occupying 'palestinian' land.

If Israel was made up of Muslims they wouldn't care about their occupation. So it's simply the fact that they are Jew's that is their real complaint.

Religion isn't the issue, it's the fact that the Zionists in Israel want to take all their lands and drive them out of their homes like they did in 1948, 1967 and continue to do so today; THAT's why they care about their occupation. If Israel was made up of Muslims, no-one would be trying to drive people out of their homes.

BULLSHIT When asked to provide evidence that the Jews drove them out of their homes you run for the hills as no evidence exists of them ever owning any property. And if Israel wanted to take all the land why did they give back the Sinai to Egypt and offer Egypt gaza back and Jordan the west bank. It is on record that Israel will relinquish the land the occupy once a peace treaty is signed and mutual borders are agreed, yet still you morons insist that Israel is stealing the land withouit a shred of evidence.

Denying that Jews did not drive the Christians and Muslims from their homes is akin to denying the Holocaust. Denying a plain fact is ridiculous in both cases.

"the actual text of Plan D leaves very little doubt as to the intentions of Ben Gurion and his friends. It spoke of “operations against enemy population centres located inside or near our defensive system in order to prevent them from being used as bases by an active armed force. These operations can be carried out in the following manner: either by destroying villages (by setting fire to them, by blowing them up, and by planting mines in their debris), and especially of those population centres which are difficult to control continuously; or by mounting combing and control operations according to the following guidelines: encirclement of the village, conducting a search inside it. In case of resistance, the armed force must be wiped out and the population expelled outside the borders of the state”................. a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled “The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948”. This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. “At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations.” To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which “directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration”. A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to “fears” and “a crisis of confidence” affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases...

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition


"As far as land ownership there are several sources that demonstrate that the non-Jews owned between 85% and 95% of the land prior to partition."

A Survey of Palestine Volume 2 Berman Jewish Policy Archive NYU Wagner

and

Confirmed by the United Nations in A/364 para. 164.

UNITED​

NATIONS​

A

• 
  General Assembly

A/364
3 September 1947
OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF ​

THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY​

"164. The Arab population, despite the strenuous efforts of Jews to acquire land in Palestine, at present remains in possession of approximately 85 per cent of the land. The provisions of the land transfer regulations of 1940, which gave effect to the 1939 White Paper policy, have severely restricted the Jewish efforts to acquire new land.

A 364 of 3 September 1947

 

[P F Tinmore]

HAMAS is considered a terrorist organisation by some western nations for their own political reasons, HAMAS is also the democratically elected government of Palestine, prevented from governing by a coup engineered and organised by the Zionists and their allies and currently under seige in Gaza. They are a legal government until the next Palestinian elections, whenever they will be.

Well while hamas is in power they will not allow a democratic election to take place, so they will never lose power. Unless the people of Palestine rise up and remove the dictators from power and elect a whole new government that will act in the Palestinian peoples best interests

Not so. It is Abbas who is holding up elections.

NOPE it is hamas who refuse to give the order as outlined in the charter, Abbas has no say in the matter. The fact is hamas knows that it will lose any subsequent elections because of its actions since 2006

Not so. There is a constitutional procedure for calling an election. Abbas will not allow that to happen.

Hamas has been asked to start the process and have refused point blank. They are making far too much money out of the enterprise

It is a constitutional process that Abbas will not allow to happen. Hamas only opposes the process when it does not follow the constitution.

 

[Phoenall]

The Ottoman army would have disagreed with you.

Filastin Risalesi, an official publication of the Ottoman army, used as an officer’s manual for the Palestine region.

Now you've provided a map of Palestine, ple3ase explain why Jordan isn't occupying 'palestinian' land.

If Israel was made up of Muslims they wouldn't care about their occupation. So it's simply the fact that they are Jew's that is their real complaint.

Religion isn't the issue, it's the fact that the Zionists in Israel want to take all their lands and drive them out of their homes like they did in 1948, 1967 and continue to do so today; THAT's why they care about their occupation. If Israel was made up of Muslims, no-one would be trying to drive people out of their homes.

BULLSHIT When asked to provide evidence that the Jews drove them out of their homes you run for the hills as no evidence exists of them ever owning any property. And if Israel wanted to take all the land why did they give back the Sinai to Egypt and offer Egypt gaza back and Jordan the west bank. It is on record that Israel will relinquish the land the occupy once a peace treaty is signed and mutual borders are agreed, yet still you morons insist that Israel is stealing the land withouit a shred of evidence.

Denying that Jews did not drive the Christians and Muslims from their homes is akin to denying the Holocaust. Denying a plain fact is ridiculous in both cases.

"the actual text of Plan D leaves very little doubt as to the intentions of Ben Gurion and his friends. It spoke of “operations against enemy population centres located inside or near our defensive system in order to prevent them from being used as bases by an active armed force. These operations can be carried out in the following manner: either by destroying villages (by setting fire to them, by blowing them up, and by planting mines in their debris), and especially of those population centres which are difficult to control continuously; or by mounting combing and control operations according to the following guidelines: encirclement of the village, conducting a search inside it. In case of resistance, the armed force must be wiped out and the population expelled outside the borders of the state”................. a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled “The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948”. This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. “At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations.” To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which “directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration”. A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to “fears” and “a crisis of confidence” affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases...

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition


"As far as land ownership there are several sources that demonstrate that the non-Jews owned between 85% and 95% of the land prior to partition."


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A Survey of Palestine Volume 2 Berman Jewish Policy Archive NYU Wagner

and

Confirmed by the United Nations in A/364 para. 164.

UNITED
NATIONS​

A

• 
  General Assembly

A/364
3 September 1947
OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY​

"164. The Arab population, despite the strenuous efforts of Jews to acquire land in Palestine, at present remains in possession of approximately 85 per cent of the land. The provisions of the land transfer regulations of 1940, which gave effect to the 1939 White Paper policy, have severely restricted the Jewish efforts to acquire new land.

A 364 of 3 September 1947

Just more of your BULLSHIT ISLAMOMORON PROPAGANDA and LIES.

If Isreal had been in the business of evicting arab muslim terrorists from their homes then there would not have been one left in the whole of Jewish Palestine by the end of 1967. Jerusalem would not have any Islamic carbuncles and the Palestinians would have been run into Egypt and Jordan. Your link is hardly valid 70 years later is it, as this would mean the Grand Mufti's plans of the genocide of the Jews was taking place as well.



How come you did not provide the previous paragraph then freddy boy

163. The Arabs of Palestine consider themselves as having a "natural" right to that country, although they have not been in possession of it as a sovereign nation.

Or these that come after

165. The Arabs consider that all of the territory - of Palestine is by right Arab patrimony. Although in an Arab State they would recognize the right of Jews to continue in possession - of land legally acquired by them during the Man-date, they would regard as a violation of their "natural" right any effort, such as partition, to reduce the territory of Palestine.

166. The desire of the Arab people of Palestine to safeguard their national existence is a very natural desire. However, Palestinian nationalism, as distinct from Arab nationalism, is itself a relatively new phenomenon, which appeared only after the division of the "Arab rectangle" by the settlement of the First World War. The National Home policy and the vigorous policy of immigration pursued by the Jewish leadership has sharpened the Arab fear of danger from the intruding Jewish population.

167. With regard to the promises and pledges made to the Arabs as inducement for their support of the Allies in the First World War, it is to be noted that apparently there is no unequivocal agreement as to whether Palestine was included within the territory pledged to independence by the McMahon-Hussein correspondence. In this connexion, since the question of interpretation was raised Great Britain has consistently denied that Palestine was among the territories to which independence was pledged.

169. In its report148/ the committee stated that the Arab and the United Kingdom representatives had been "unable to reach agreement upon an interpretation of the correspondence".149/ The United Kingdom representatives, however, informed the Arab representatives that the Arab contentions, as explained to the committee, regarding the interpretation of the correspondence, and especially their contentions relating to the meaning of the phrase "portions of Syria lying to the west of the districts of Damascus, Hama, Horns and Aleppo 150/ have greater force than has appeared hitherto".151/ Moreover, the United Kingdom representatives informed the Arab representatives that "they agree that Palestine was included in the area claimed by the Sherif of Mecca in his letter of 14 July 1915, and that unless Palestine was excluded from that area later in the correspondence, it must be regarded as having been included in the area in which Great Britain was to recognize and support the independence of the Arabs. They maintain that on a proper construction of the correspondence, Palestine was in fact excluded. But they agree that the language in which its exclusion was expressed was not so specific and unmistakable as it was thought to be at the time".152/

177. As to the claim that the Palestine Mandate violates Article 22 of the Covenant because the community of Palestine has not been recognized as an independent nation and because the mandatory was given full powers of legislation and administration, it has been rightly pointed out by the Peel Commission:" (a) That the provisional recognition of certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire as independent nations is permissible; the words are can be provisionally recognized, not 'will' or 'shall';

" (b) That the penultimate paragraph of Article 22 prescribes that the degree of authority to be exercised by the mandatory shall be defined, at need, by the Council of the League;

" (c) That the acceptance by the Allied Powers and the United States of the policy of the Ball-four Declaration made it clear from the beginning that Palestine would have been treated differently from Syria and Iraq, and that this difference of treatment was confirmed by the Supreme Council in the Treaty of Sevres and by the Council of the League in sanctioning the Mandate."154/

 

[Phoenall]

Well while hamas is in power they will not allow a democratic election to take place, so they will never lose power. Unless the people of Palestine rise up and remove the dictators from power and elect a whole new government that will act in the Palestinian peoples best interests

Not so. It is Abbas who is holding up elections.

NOPE it is hamas who refuse to give the order as outlined in the charter, Abbas has no say in the matter. The fact is hamas knows that it will lose any subsequent elections because of its actions since 2006

Not so. There is a constitutional procedure for calling an election. Abbas will not allow that to happen.

Hamas has been asked to start the process and have refused point blank. They are making far too much money out of the enterprise

It is a constitutional process that Abbas will not allow to happen. Hamas only opposes the process when it does not follow the constitution.

Hamas having the majority and being in charge are the only ones who can call for the election, they refuse to do so because they would lose all the blood money they cream of the top. They are just as corrupt as fatah and are lining their Swiss bank accounts every day. It is like the PLO charter that they promised to alter and could never muster enough council members at any given time to agree to removing the "KILL THE JEWS" clauses, that is fatah speaking double talk like hamas.

 

[Challenger]

Well while hamas is in power they will not allow a democratic election to take place, so they will never lose power. Unless the people of Palestine rise up and remove the dictators from power and elect a whole new government that will act in the Palestinian peoples best interests

Not so. It is Abbas who is holding up elections.

NOPE it is hamas who refuse to give the order as outlined in the charter, Abbas has no say in the matter. The fact is hamas knows that it will lose any subsequent elections because of its actions since 2006

Not so. There is a constitutional procedure for calling an election. Abbas will not allow that to happen.

Hamas has been asked to start the process and have refused point blank. They are making far too much money out of the enterprise

It is a constitutional process that Abbas will not allow to happen. Hamas only opposes the process when it does not follow the constitution.

Correct. According to the Constitution of Palestine Abbas has no legal standing. His term as President has long expired and the legal acting President of Palestine is Abdul Aziz Duwaik, pending new elections. Of course the Zionists will never allow free elections in Palestine; they prefer to prop up their puppet Abbas, so were Duwaik to call an election, they would do everything they can to sabotage the result.

 

[Phoenall]

Not so. It is Abbas who is holding up elections.

NOPE it is hamas who refuse to give the order as outlined in the charter, Abbas has no say in the matter. The fact is hamas knows that it will lose any subsequent elections because of its actions since 2006

Not so. There is a constitutional procedure for calling an election. Abbas will not allow that to happen.

Hamas has been asked to start the process and have refused point blank. They are making far too much money out of the enterprise

It is a constitutional process that Abbas will not allow to happen. Hamas only opposes the process when it does not follow the constitution.

Correct. According to the Constitution of Palestine Abbas has no legal standing. His term as President has long expired and the legal acting President of Palestine is Abdul Aziz Duwaik, pending new elections. Of course the Zionists will never allow free elections in Palestine; they prefer to prop up their puppet Abbas, so were Duwaik to call an election, they would do everything they can to sabotage the result.

Bull shit we would welcome elections then the Palestinian people could have a say in how their lives were run. You have no evidence to support your RACIST CLAIMS yet you still spout them as if they were fact. You are just a RACIST JEW HATING POS as shown by your use of the term Zionist.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Not so. It is Abbas who is holding up elections.

NOPE it is hamas who refuse to give the order as outlined in the charter, Abbas has no say in the matter. The fact is hamas knows that it will lose any subsequent elections because of its actions since 2006

Not so. There is a constitutional procedure for calling an election. Abbas will not allow that to happen.

Hamas has been asked to start the process and have refused point blank. They are making far too much money out of the enterprise

It is a constitutional process that Abbas will not allow to happen. Hamas only opposes the process when it does not follow the constitution.

Correct. According to the Constitution of Palestine Abbas has no legal standing. His term as President has long expired and the legal acting President of Palestine is Abdul Aziz Duwaik, pending new elections. Of course the Zionists will never allow free elections in Palestine; they prefer to prop up their puppet Abbas, so were Duwaik to call an election, they would do everything they can to sabotage the result.

That is correct. The speaker of parliament is to temporarily assume the office of president and call an election within 60 days. There are some problems with this. Abbas changed the election law, by decree, to favor Fatah and Duwaik could cancel that. Another problem is that Duwaik is Hamas. Abbas with Israel and its lackeys in the US have blocked the constitutional procedures.

 

[Phoenall]

NOPE it is hamas who refuse to give the order as outlined in the charter, Abbas has no say in the matter. The fact is hamas knows that it will lose any subsequent elections because of its actions since 2006

Not so. There is a constitutional procedure for calling an election. Abbas will not allow that to happen.

Hamas has been asked to start the process and have refused point blank. They are making far too much money out of the enterprise

It is a constitutional process that Abbas will not allow to happen. Hamas only opposes the process when it does not follow the constitution.

Correct. According to the Constitution of Palestine Abbas has no legal standing. His term as President has long expired and the legal acting President of Palestine is Abdul Aziz Duwaik, pending new elections. Of course the Zionists will never allow free elections in Palestine; they prefer to prop up their puppet Abbas, so were Duwaik to call an election, they would do everything they can to sabotage the result.

That is correct. The speaker of parliament is to temporarily assume the office of president and call an election within 60 days. There are some problems with this. Abbas changed the election law, by decree, to favor Fatah and Duwaik could cancel that. Another problem is that Duwaik is Hamas. Abbas with Israel and its lackeys in the US have blocked the constitutional procedures.

Does not stop hamas from calling for elections to be held by simply having a majority of elected member sitting in the P.A. meetings. That is how elections are called, but the lain truth is hamas and fatah would both lose their stolen funds that have left the people of Palestine in the situation they face

 

[Challenger]

NOPE it is hamas who refuse to give the order as outlined in the charter, Abbas has no say in the matter. The fact is hamas knows that it will lose any subsequent elections because of its actions since 2006

Not so. There is a constitutional procedure for calling an election. Abbas will not allow that to happen.

Hamas has been asked to start the process and have refused point blank. They are making far too much money out of the enterprise

It is a constitutional process that Abbas will not allow to happen. Hamas only opposes the process when it does not follow the constitution.

Correct. According to the Constitution of Palestine Abbas has no legal standing. His term as President has long expired and the legal acting President of Palestine is Abdul Aziz Duwaik, pending new elections. Of course the Zionists will never allow free elections in Palestine; they prefer to prop up their puppet Abbas, so were Duwaik to call an election, they would do everything they can to sabotage the result.

That is correct. The speaker of parliament is to temporarily assume the office of president and call an election within 60 days. There are some problems with this. Abbas changed the election law, by decree, to favor Fatah and Duwaik could cancel that. Another problem is that Duwaik is Hamas. Abbas with Israel and its lackeys in the US have blocked the constitutional procedures.

Yup. it would be far too embarassing for all the Zionists if they were to hold "free and fair elections" and Hamas won again. Still, as far as Palestinian "democracy" is concerned, it only works when the U.S. and Zionist Israel get the "government" they want. You only have to look as far as Egypt and Iraq to see Western "democratic values" at work.

 

[Phoenall]

Not so. There is a constitutional procedure for calling an election. Abbas will not allow that to happen.

Hamas has been asked to start the process and have refused point blank. They are making far too much money out of the enterprise

It is a constitutional process that Abbas will not allow to happen. Hamas only opposes the process when it does not follow the constitution.

Correct. According to the Constitution of Palestine Abbas has no legal standing. His term as President has long expired and the legal acting President of Palestine is Abdul Aziz Duwaik, pending new elections. Of course the Zionists will never allow free elections in Palestine; they prefer to prop up their puppet Abbas, so were Duwaik to call an election, they would do everything they can to sabotage the result.

That is correct. The speaker of parliament is to temporarily assume the office of president and call an election within 60 days. There are some problems with this. Abbas changed the election law, by decree, to favor Fatah and Duwaik could cancel that. Another problem is that Duwaik is Hamas. Abbas with Israel and its lackeys in the US have blocked the constitutional procedures.

Yup. it would be far too embarassing for all the Zionists if they were to hold "free and fair elections" and Hamas won again. Still, as far as Palestinian "democracy" is concerned, it only works when the U.S. and Zionist Israel get the "government" they want. You only have to look as far as Egypt and Iraq to see Western "democratic values" at work.

More RACIST LIES rat boy, as Israel wants the Palestinians to hold free and fair elections, so the world can see that the majority of Palestinians are aligned with the terrorist groups and are active terrorists as well. It is team Palestine that does not want to see elections, and will no doubt claim that Israel manipulated the results to meet with their own agenda if the wrong party gets elected.

 

[Challenger]

Hamas has been asked to start the process and have refused point blank. They are making far too much money out of the enterprise

It is a constitutional process that Abbas will not allow to happen. Hamas only opposes the process when it does not follow the constitution.

Correct. According to the Constitution of Palestine Abbas has no legal standing. His term as President has long expired and the legal acting President of Palestine is Abdul Aziz Duwaik, pending new elections. Of course the Zionists will never allow free elections in Palestine; they prefer to prop up their puppet Abbas, so were Duwaik to call an election, they would do everything they can to sabotage the result.

That is correct. The speaker of parliament is to temporarily assume the office of president and call an election within 60 days. There are some problems with this. Abbas changed the election law, by decree, to favor Fatah and Duwaik could cancel that. Another problem is that Duwaik is Hamas. Abbas with Israel and its lackeys in the US have blocked the constitutional procedures.

Yup. it would be far too embarassing for all the Zionists if they were to hold "free and fair elections" and Hamas won again. Still, as far as Palestinian "democracy" is concerned, it only works when the U.S. and Zionist Israel get the "government" they want. You only have to look as far as Egypt and Iraq to see Western "democratic values" at work.

More RACIST LIES rat boy, as Israel wants the Palestinians to hold free and fair elections, so the world can see that the majority of Palestinians are aligned with the terrorist groups and are active terrorists as well. It is team Palestine that does not want to see elections, and will no doubt claim that Israel manipulated the results to meet with their own agenda if the wrong party gets elected.

 

[Kondor3]

Israel holds itself to a different standard.

By Jove, NOW you've got it... the Reconquista continues apace... annexation and consolidation continue at a measured pace... the universe is unfolding as it should.

And there's not one goddamned thing of any consequence and effectiveness that "you" (the so-called 'Palestinians') can do to stop it.

Will "you" continue to participate in this pointless and fast-fading Palestinian circle-jerk or will "you" face reality, grow up, pack up, and get the hell out of Dodge, so that "your" family can finally press the 'Reset' button and fashion new and safe and prosperous and happy lives for "yourselves" someplace else, where "you're" actually wanted?

Go away... things have changed... there's really no point in hanging around... the party's over... there is no future for "you" in "your" old stomping grounds... time to move on.

 

[Challenger]

Israel holds itself to a different standard.

By Jove, NOW you've got it... the Reconquista continues apace... annexation and consolidation continue at a measured pace... the universe is unfolding as it should.

And there's not one goddamned thing of any consequence and effectiveness that "you" (the so-called 'Palestinians') can do to stop it.

Will "you" continue to participate in this pointless and fast-fading Palestinian circle-jerk or will "you" face reality, grow up, pack up, and get the hell out of Dodge, so that "your" family can finally press the 'Reset' button and fashion new and safe and prosperous and happy lives for "yourselves" someplace else, where "you're" actually wanted?

Go away... things have changed... there's really no point in hanging around... the party's over... there is no future for "you" in "your" old stomping grounds... time to move on.

So if we came to Illinois and kicked you out of your home, you'd quietly wander off having faced reality, grown up, packed up, and got the hell out of Dodge, so that "your" family can press the 'Reset' button and fashion new and safe and prosperous and happy lives for "yourselves" someplace else?

 

[Kondor3]

...So if we came to Illinois and kicked you out of your home, you'd quietly wander off having faced reality, grown up, packed up, and got the hell out of Dodge, so that "your" family can press the 'Reset' button and fashion new and safe and prosperous and happy lives for "yourselves" someplace else?

Yep... if there was zero realistic chance of taking it back after 66-67 years... life's too short to spend it in a pointless and never-ending circle-jerk like the Palestinians do.

I have too much self-respect to sit in a refugee shit-hole (town or camp) for 60+ years, and I love my family too much to subject them to generations of pointless danger and misery. If I can win, I stay and fight. If I can't win, I get my people the hell out of there, and move on with life. My children and grandchildren deserve better. Leave, and find it.

"You got to know when to hold 'em... know when to fold 'em... know when to walk away... know when to run."

 

[Challenger]

...So if we came to Illinois and kicked you out of your home, you'd quietly wander off having faced reality, grown up, packed up, and got the hell out of Dodge, so that "your" family can press the 'Reset' button and fashion new and safe and prosperous and happy lives for "yourselves" someplace else?

Yep... if there was zero realistic chance of taking it back after 66-67 years... life's too short to spend it in a pointless and never-ending circle-jerk like the Palestinians do.

Can you send me your address, so I can bring some friends over, just to see what would really happen?