Imagine if Donald Trump orders his Department of Justice to defy all “unlawful” orders from Democrat judges. The media would declare a constitutional

[rightwinger]

Biden's illegal alien horde of over 10 million added to the already millions here is indeed a national emergency. But you need to love America to see that.

That is what ICE does

Not what armed troops are there for

 

[rightwinger]

Carnal knowledge is also prohibited by the UCMJ---do you need to be reminded of that by your representatives? That wouldn't be inciting mutiny. The reps actions were seditious.

Explain how explaining the law is seditious

 

[San Souci]

Would telling the military TO FOLLOW ILLEGAL ORDERS.... have been better?

Name the illegal orders ,Pinko.

 

[Darkwind]

I'm sure you believe you have made a logical argument there.

I'm positive you don't know what one is.

 

[Care4all]

Name the illegal orders ,Pinko.

I don't know....there are constitutional military legal beagles that advise the brass on that...a whole slew of them...if any come up.

 

[konradv]

Surely they would, and they'd be on it non-stop with their blathering.

But with the members of Congress telling the military to defy "unlawful" orders, the MSM thinks it is a great thing.

TDS is alive and well, and bordering on insurrection.

Why would we have to imagine it? Trump does it daily.

 

[22lcidw]

That is what ICE does

Not what armed troops are there for

Illegals are here for communist voting.

 

[rightwinger]

Illegals are here for communist voting.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Surely they would, and they'd be on it non-stop with their blathering.

But with the members of Congress telling the military to defy "unlawful" orders, the MSM thinks it is a great thing.

TDS is alive and well, and bordering on insurrection.

"But its not the same!" - Democrats

 

[ThisIsMe]

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Not gonna lie, thats a funny meme. Im stealin' that shit!

 

[ThisIsMe]

Do you think unlawful orders should be obeyed?

I'll mark you down as 'yes' on that one, otherwise piggy wouldn't be squealing.

Quiet, piggy.

The problem is, what was the point of the video. What unlawful orders has trump given the military? There is a reason they made the video. It appears they were speaking very generally, to incite division in the military.

 

[rightwinger]

"But it’s not the same!" - Democrats

It is not the same

It is the courts responsibility to define what the law is.
It is not up to the President

If Trump defies a court order and orders troops to do it anyway…..it becomes an unlawful order

 

[ThisIsMe]

Apples and oranges. If Trump did single out democrat judges, it would be a legal and constitutional issue, he would never succeed with. Totally illegal order, Bondi and any following it as an order, would be subject, not only to impeachment, but would probably never remain a lawyer, certainly disbarred.

The military is no the Department of Justice, and the Congressmen and women, did not say do not follow orders for Republican Officers or Non-Commissioned Officers, simply telling them, to disobey any illegal orders.

I have been Commissioned Officer, Enlisted and Non-Commissioned Officer. I always knew it was my duty to disobey an illegal order, and knew the further up the pole in the Enlisted and Officer ranks, I went, the less valid and defense of "simply following order" would be at a potential court-martial. I would not follow, nor would I issue or relay an illegal order, certainly not after the Uniform Code of Military Justice classes and testing, while on active duty.

I am not sure what the right-wing nut balls are getting their panties in a wad over, unless, just simply never having been in the military, and simply not familiar with the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ).

These congressmen know that members of the military know all of that. They are simply trying to sow discord in the military, plain and simple.

All of them being former military themselves, they know these things, and the optics it gives off to the general public is one of dissent in the military

 

[ThisIsMe]

I am sure what your point is...and hopefully you're wearing a cap to cover it.

This administration routinely ignores judges.

So did the last one

 

[ThisIsMe]

Look, have at it, just remember, as ive said before, what goes around comes around. I cant wait til the next democrat president has conservative judges shutting them down at every turn

 

[rightwinger]

Trump is declaring “emergency powers” to send armed troops into cities and attack boats off the coast of Venezuela

It will be up to the court to decide if this is an abuse of authority by the president.

If it is……then troops would be within their rights to decline an unlawful order

 

[konradv]

Look, have at it, just remember, as ive said before, what goes around comes around. I cant wait til the next democrat president has conservative judges shutting them down at every turn

Presidents don’t get shut down; laws do.

 

[teddyearp]

Well, you could try reading the thread. Just a thought.

Umm, what makes you think I haven't? I am used to reading fifty+ page posts to catch up, comes from Tech forum days.

 

[teddyearp]

Yet you’re the one saying, “The plane, the plane.”

I win.

Yup. You win, you are right and here is your prize:

 

[White 6]

These congressmen know that members of the military know all of that. They are simply trying to sow discord in the military, plain and simple.

All of them being former military themselves, they know these things, and the optics it gives off to the general public is one of dissent in the military

Screw the general public. The general public does not have to follow orders, blindly, legally, illegally, or otherwise. The general public will never face courts martial, for shooting protesters in the legs, the way trump wanted, when he wanted the 82nd airborne mobilized after the Rodney King killing. While Officers are well aware of the Regulations, and their duty to only follow legal lawful orders, as their oath is to the constitution and the country, Enlisted have a different oath, not only to the constitution, their oath also includes following orders of the President, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. . As erratic as Trump is, it is a worthy reminder that they also have duty not to follow illegal orders. Under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), Article 92, service members must obey lawful orders.
But there is a key qualifier: the order must be lawful. If an order is manifestly illegal, service members not only may refuse it — they have a duty to do so. Obeying an illegal order can expose a service member to criminal liability.

Notable Cases​

Case	Year	Details
My Lai Massacre	1968	U.S. Army soldiers killed over 500 Vietnamese civilians based on commands. Lieutenant William Calley was convicted of murder, highlighting that following orders does not absolve responsibility for war crimes.
Abu Ghraib Scandal	2003-2004	Soldiers engaged in abusive treatment of prisoners at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. Several enlisted personnel were convicted, with some arguing they were following orders from higher-ups, but accountability was upheld.
Pfc. Lynndie England	2003	Involved in the Abu Ghraib scandal, she was convicted of abusing prisoners. Her defense of following orders was noted, but she was still found guilty of various charges due to her actions.
Haditha Incident	2005	U.S. Marines killed 24 Iraqi civilians; some argued the orders given led to this incident. While higher officials faced charges, individual soldiers also faced accountability, though outcomes varied.
Nuremberg Trials	1945-1946	Key post-World War II trials where Nazi officers claimed they were following orders. The court ruled that "following orders" is not a defense for war crimes, establishing a legal precedent that influences military justice today.

Article 92: Can Service Members Refuse an Illegal Order? - The Law Office of Peter Kageleiry, Jr.

Lessons from the LA Guard Ruling for Article 92 A recent federal court decision has put the issue of “illegal orders” back in the spotlight. On September 2, 2025, Judge Charles R. Breyer ruled that former President Trump’s deployment of thousands of National Guard troops and active-duty Marines...

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