Illinois Firearm Identification card ruled unConstitutional in state court....yes, this is correct.

[hadit]

Try to buy a gun at a gun shop. See if they do a background check.

So you get turned down at the Gun Shop because you are a fruitcake. And you need to pass a background check to buy one privately and the law abiding citizens won't sell you one without the gun background check. So you skip across the state line into another state to one that has a free for all gun dispensary at the nearest Denny's out the back of a Chevy Panel Truck and load up. Then you go back across the state line with your booty and do your damage. Do you see a pattern here?

Sure do. I see a pattern of nonsense. There are no free for all gun dispensaries anywhere. And have you noticed that gun violence always seems higher in places with strict anti-gun laws? Places with lots of legal guns seem to do better.

And you fail to notice that over 60% of those weapons are imported from the states with no background checks for private sales. Go to Indiana. I am sure, if you ask around, there is a Denny's somewhere, where you can purchase a firearm no questions or ID required. They won't even have a sign that says, "You have to be this tall to buy here".

You're sure? Sounds like you really don't know, but imagine it to be true.

You have nothing worth listening to. Have a nice day.

Wow, I see what you did there. You realized you didn't have any substantive answers, so you attempted to hide that reality by posting a juvenile insult and running away. Kudos for the failed attempt. Now, if you would care to post where we could for sure find a free for all gun dispensary in a Denny's, we would all be ever so grateful.

 

[hadit]

Try to buy a gun at a gun shop. See if they do a background check.

again, background checks are ineffective if guys like Loughner, Holmes, Lanza are still able to get guns.

Here's a simple solution. When a gun is used in a mass shooting, the victims can sue the gun owners for negligence.

Problem Fucking Solved.

And again, your solution is to punish those who did not kill anyone, just like you're trying to prevent innocent civilians from owning weapons because criminals use weapons to kill. Why is your solution always focused on the wrong people? And, yes, we appreciate your concession that background checks don't really work.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Try to buy a gun at a gun shop. See if they do a background check.

again, background checks are ineffective if guys like Loughner, Holmes, Lanza are still able to get guns.

Here's a simple solution. When a gun is used in a mass shooting, the victims can sue the gun owners for negligence.

Problem Fucking Solved.

When a car is used to mow down crowds should you also be able to sue the car manufacturer?

Nope. Not in America.

In most car dealerships, before you can leave the lot, you need to show a drivers license, proof of insurance and a few other things.

None of these things are required to purchase a car.

 

[2aguy]

Try to buy a gun at a gun shop. See if they do a background check.

again, background checks are ineffective if guys like Loughner, Holmes, Lanza are still able to get guns.

Here's a simple solution. When a gun is used in a mass shooting, the victims can sue the gun owners for negligence.

Problem Fucking Solved.

If they commit no crimes before the attack, you doofus....then there is nothing in their background check that flags them....how is it that hard for you to understand....which is why background checks are nothing more than a necessary step to get to universal gun registration...since both criminals and mass shooters easily get around all background checks...while the normal guy and gal, dutifully goes through the background check for no other reason than to set up your dream of registering their guns, so you can confiscate them when you get political power...

 

[Blues Man]

Moron.....the people selling guns to known felons are already breaking the law.....and they are breaking the law by not doing the background check on the known felons.....the felons already know they can't buy, own or carry those guns...already......

We already have laws that allow us to arrest all parties involved......the police already use sting operations to arrest people selling illegal guns....

Background checks are not part of any of that.....

But here's the problem with that position.

The Gun Industry encourages illegal sales by letting legal sales go on with very few restrictions. For instance, when they wanted to put a limit on how many guns you can buy, because you know darned well that if someone is buying 25 guns a month, he's reselling them to someone else in another state, the NRA went apeshit and opposed these laws.

The NRA WANTS criminals to have guns.

If they didn't, then all the Dick Tinys of the world wouldn't want guns, or at least not as many of them.

Much like the alcohol industry markets to drunks, the gun industry markets to gun nuts. The guy who bought a gun once in the 1990's and takes it out once a year to target shoot, he's not a prime customers.

The gun industry sells to people who are dealers
The dealers who all hold Federal Firearms Licenses then sell to the public while complying with all state and federal gun laws.

Smith and Wesson does not sell a gun to any Tom Dick or Harry that walks into one of their manufacturing plants

Dealer Resources | Smith & Wesson

How do I become a Smith & Wesson Authorized Dealer?
As a Smith & Wesson Authorized Dealer you identify yourself as a store front retail business adhering to all local, state and federal laws. To become a Smith & Wesson Authorized Dealer contact our customer service department and request an Authorized Dealer application. Complete the application and attach required local, state and federal licenses along with pictures of your store and send the application package to Smith & Wesson for review and processing.

 

[JoeB131]

So if your car gets stolen and the guy who stole it runs down a gaggle of grandmas you can be sued for negligence right?

That's already the law, actually.

Is Your Business Liable for Accidents Caused by a Car Thief?

In some states, an auto owner who leaves a vehicle unattended with keys inside may be held liable under common law for an accident caused by a thief if the owner should have known that theft was likely. For example, Tim operates a towing business. Tim receives a request for a tow from the principal of a local high school. Tim drives his truck to the school. He parks the truck in the student parking lot with the keys in the ignition and enters the school building.


Once Tim is out of sight, a teenager hops into the truck and takes it for a joyride. The teen causes an accident that injures another driver. In some states, the injured party could sue Tim's business for damages. The claimant could argue that Tim was negligent when he left a dangerous vehicle with the keys inside in a location where teens were likely to find it.

We need to hold Gun Owners to the same standard. It seems odd to me that the same guy who buys 25 guns in VA and goes home to New York, and suddenly his guns are "Stolen" and they wind up being used in crimes, a lot.

Should be on you to prove you are not a straw buyer under those circumstances.

 

[JoeB131]

If they commit no crimes before the attack, you doofus....then there is nothing in their background check that flags them....how is it that hard for you to understand....which is why background checks are nothing more than a necessary step to get to universal gun registration...since both criminals and mass shooters easily get around all background checks...while the normal guy and gal, dutifully goes through the background check for no other reason than to set up your dream of registering their guns, so you can confiscate them when you get political power...

Which is why we need universal registration and real background checks. Not some half-ass system where the data isn't put in.

The reason why they get past the background checks is that the NRA has so watered down the system that they really can't flag people.

YOu see, the NRA wants mass shooters. They want criminals to have guns, so you want them, too.

 

[Blues Man]

So if your car gets stolen and the guy who stole it runs down a gaggle of grandmas you can be sued for negligence right?

That's already the law, actually.

Is Your Business Liable for Accidents Caused by a Car Thief?

In some states, an auto owner who leaves a vehicle unattended with keys inside may be held liable under common law for an accident caused by a thief if the owner should have known that theft was likely. For example, Tim operates a towing business. Tim receives a request for a tow from the principal of a local high school. Tim drives his truck to the school. He parks the truck in the student parking lot with the keys in the ignition and enters the school building.


Once Tim is out of sight, a teenager hops into the truck and takes it for a joyride. The teen causes an accident that injures another driver. In some states, the injured party could sue Tim's business for damages. The claimant could argue that Tim was negligent when he left a dangerous vehicle with the keys inside in a location where teens were likely to find it.

We need to hold Gun Owners to the same standard. It seems odd to me that the same guy who buys 25 guns in VA and goes home to New York, and suddenly his guns are "Stolen" and they wind up being used in crimes, a lot.

Should be on you to prove you are not a straw buyer under those circumstances.

Unattended with the keys inside

That's pretty specific

What if the keys aren't in the car and the car is locked?

What if a gun is in a house and the doors and windows are locked?

What if your kid left a baseball bat in the yard and someone takes it and bashes in the skull of a person with that bat? Are you liable?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

If they commit no crimes before the attack, you doofus....then there is nothing in their background check that flags them....how is it that hard for you to understand....which is why background checks are nothing more than a necessary step to get to universal gun registration...since both criminals and mass shooters easily get around all background checks...while the normal guy and gal, dutifully goes through the background check for no other reason than to set up your dream of registering their guns, so you can confiscate them when you get political power...

Which is why we need universal registration and real background checks. Not some half-ass system where the data isn't put in.

The reason why they get past the background checks is that the NRA has so watered down the system that they really can't flag people.

YOu see, the NRA wants mass shooters. They want criminals to have guns, so you want them, too.

The NRA doens't want mass shootings. What they want is gun sales since their biggest contributors are the gun manufacturers. If there is a gun crime, that means that there will be an increase in gun sales. If you get your gun stolen you will have to replace your gun. If they can help put a scare into the public to make them fear others having guns, more gun sales happen and the NRA gets more donations. Some people actually believe that 25 bucks or so you send into be a NRA member means that you are important to the NRA. You are, just not the way they lead you to believe. Your 25 bucks gets you on the mailing list and that is the most important part. You get the Hup Hup brochures, the Emails, etc.. And you get to support what they tell you to support. Take from an old NRA member that finally figured this out.

 

[JoeB131]

What if your kid left a baseball bat in the yard and someone takes it and bashes in the skull of a person with that bat? Are you liable?

Funny thing. Maybe. I had a very similiar situation, where I lived in a place with all night bars, and some of the patrons of one of those fine establishments ended up fighting in my back yard and beat the guy senseless with a garden rake I had left out. Hit him so hard they bent the metal part.

So, yeah, I was kind of worried I might get sued. It happened on my property, after all.

But we were talking about guns and how you gun nuts have proliferated them... time the law does something about that.

 

[Rustic]

Try to buy a gun at a gun shop. See if they do a background check.

again, background checks are ineffective if guys like Loughner, Holmes, Lanza are still able to get guns.

Here's a simple solution. When a gun is used in a mass shooting, the victims can sue the gun owners for negligence.

Problem Fucking Solved.

Lol
Na, not really
People kill people firearms cannot... you retarded fucker

 

[Rustic]

Moron.....the people selling guns to known felons are already breaking the law.....and they are breaking the law by not doing the background check on the known felons.....the felons already know they can't buy, own or carry those guns...already......

We already have laws that allow us to arrest all parties involved......the police already use sting operations to arrest people selling illegal guns....

Background checks are not part of any of that.....

But here's the problem with that position.

The Gun Industry encourages illegal sales by letting legal sales go on with very few restrictions. For instance, when they wanted to put a limit on how many guns you can buy, because you know darned well that if someone is buying 25 guns a month, he's reselling them to someone else in another state, the NRA went apeshit and opposed these laws.

The NRA WANTS criminals to have guns.

If they didn't, then all the Dick Tinys of the world wouldn't want guns, or at least not as many of them.

Much like the alcohol industry markets to drunks, the gun industry markets to gun nuts. The guy who bought a gun once in the 1990's and takes it out once a year to target shoot, he's not a prime customers.

Lol
Firearms have no control over people... you silly motherfucker

 

[hadit]

So if your car gets stolen and the guy who stole it runs down a gaggle of grandmas you can be sued for negligence right?

That's already the law, actually.

Is Your Business Liable for Accidents Caused by a Car Thief?

In some states, an auto owner who leaves a vehicle unattended with keys inside may be held liable under common law for an accident caused by a thief if the owner should have known that theft was likely. For example, Tim operates a towing business. Tim receives a request for a tow from the principal of a local high school. Tim drives his truck to the school. He parks the truck in the student parking lot with the keys in the ignition and enters the school building.


Once Tim is out of sight, a teenager hops into the truck and takes it for a joyride. The teen causes an accident that injures another driver. In some states, the injured party could sue Tim's business for damages. The claimant could argue that Tim was negligent when he left a dangerous vehicle with the keys inside in a location where teens were likely to find it.

We need to hold Gun Owners to the same standard. It seems odd to me that the same guy who buys 25 guns in VA and goes home to New York, and suddenly his guns are "Stolen" and they wind up being used in crimes, a lot.

Should be on you to prove you are not a straw buyer under those circumstances.

That would violate our standard of justice, under which the prosecution has to prove you are a straw buyer. So no.

 

[2aguy]

So if your car gets stolen and the guy who stole it runs down a gaggle of grandmas you can be sued for negligence right?

That's already the law, actually.

Is Your Business Liable for Accidents Caused by a Car Thief?

In some states, an auto owner who leaves a vehicle unattended with keys inside may be held liable under common law for an accident caused by a thief if the owner should have known that theft was likely. For example, Tim operates a towing business. Tim receives a request for a tow from the principal of a local high school. Tim drives his truck to the school. He parks the truck in the student parking lot with the keys in the ignition and enters the school building.


Once Tim is out of sight, a teenager hops into the truck and takes it for a joyride. The teen causes an accident that injures another driver. In some states, the injured party could sue Tim's business for damages. The claimant could argue that Tim was negligent when he left a dangerous vehicle with the keys inside in a location where teens were likely to find it.

We need to hold Gun Owners to the same standard. It seems odd to me that the same guy who buys 25 guns in VA and goes home to New York, and suddenly his guns are "Stolen" and they wind up being used in crimes, a lot.

Should be on you to prove you are not a straw buyer under those circumstances.

That would violate our standard of justice, under which the prosecution has to prove you are a straw buyer. So no.

Joe is a fascist....you are guilty until the state decides they don't want to put you in prison.....

 

[M14 Shooter]

The NRA doens't want mass shootings. What they want is gun sales since their biggest contributors are the gun manufacturers.

This is a lie.
The money powering the NRA

If they can help put a scare into the public...

... by replaying video of Democrats calling for more gun control after every national-news level shooting?
How is it the -Democrats- aren't scaring the public?

Anything else you;d like to lie about?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The NRA doens't want mass shootings. What they want is gun sales since their biggest contributors are the gun manufacturers.

This is a lie.
The money powering the NRA

If they can help put a scare into the public...

... by replaying video of Democrats calling for more gun control after every national-news level shooting?
How is it the -Democrats- aren't scaring the public?

Anything else you;d like to lie about?

From your own cite

Unlike the PAC, it isn’t able to donate directly to candidates. But it is able to receive millions of dollars in donations from corporations. The group is not required to disclose the names of its contributors or the details of these contributions, though some major gunmakers like Smith & Wesson and Sturm, Ruger & Company have announced large donations in the past (though the NRA says that the vast majority of money comes from individual donors just like the PAC).

Cnn only reported on what was reported by law. The other funds are in the hundreds of millions. Do you honestly believe that the NRA could afford the number of expensive lawsuits they do each year with the paulty 40 million they receive from the normal donors? You should start your story with "Once Upon a Time".

 

[M14 Shooter]

The NRA doens't want mass shootings. What they want is gun sales since their biggest contributors are the gun manufacturers.

This is a lie.
The money powering the NRA

If they can help put a scare into the public...

... by replaying video of Democrats calling for more gun control after every national-news level shooting?
How is it the -Democrats- aren't scaring the public?
Anything else you;d like to lie about?

From your own cite
Unlike the PAC, it isn’t able to donate directly to candidates. But it is able to receive millions of dollars in donations from corporations. The group is not required to disclose the names of its contributors or the details of these contributions, though some major gunmakers like Smith & Wesson and Sturm, Ruger & Company have announced large donations in the past (though the NRA says that the vast majority of money comes from individual donors just like the PAC).

What's that?
You don't like the fact you're wrong?
Not much I can do about that.

But hey - feel free to lie again!

 

[JoeB131]

That would violate our standard of justice, under which the prosecution has to prove you are a straw buyer. So no.

Well, that's why we need stricter liability... YOUR gun was found at a crime scene and oddly, no police report was ever filed it was stolen... um, yeah, it probably means you were a straw buyer.

 

[JoeB131]

Joe is a fascist....you are guilty until the state decides they don't want to put you in prison.....

I wish the state would throw you gun nuts in prison...we'd all be a lot safer.

 

[hadit]

Joe is a fascist....you are guilty until the state decides they don't want to put you in prison.....

I wish the state would throw you gun nuts in prison...we'd all be a lot safer.

"Gun nuts" are not killing you.