Illinois Firearm Identification card ruled unConstitutional in state court....yes, this is correct.

[hadit]

That would violate our standard of justice, under which the prosecution has to prove you are a straw buyer. So no.

Well, that's why we need stricter liability... YOUR gun was found at a crime scene and oddly, no police report was ever filed it was stolen... um, yeah, it probably means you were a straw buyer.

It still needs to be proven. Our justice system does not require you to prove you're innocent, the prosecution has to prove you are guilty, and that should not change. Better a few guilty go free than the innocent be punished.

 

[JoeB131]

"Gun nuts" are not killing you.

Nope, just little kids in school, people going out to see Batman movies, people going to concerts in Las Vegas... and so on.

 

[JoeB131]

It still needs to be proven. Our justice system does not require you to prove you're innocent, the prosecution has to prove you are guilty, and that should not change. Better a few guilty go free than the innocent be punished.

The innocent are already being punished by being caught in mass shootings.

 

[2aguy]

It still needs to be proven. Our justice system does not require you to prove you're innocent, the prosecution has to prove you are guilty, and that should not change. Better a few guilty go free than the innocent be punished.

The innocent are already being punished by being caught in mass shootings.

Yes...in a country of 320 million people, 12 shootings in 2017, with 117 killed....with cars killing over 38,000 people..........mass public shootings are not a problem...and if you ended gun free zones for law abiding people, you would end the few shootings that we have ..... since the shooters don't attack places where people can carry guns....

 

[hadit]

It still needs to be proven. Our justice system does not require you to prove you're innocent, the prosecution has to prove you are guilty, and that should not change. Better a few guilty go free than the innocent be punished.

The innocent are already being punished by being caught in mass shootings.

Those who shoot them are also being punished, after due process and being proven guilty. Your emotional rant has nothing to do with justice and everything to do with punishing those you don't like who have never committed a crime. Thankfully, your opinion doesn't count.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes...in a country of 320 million people, 12 shootings in 2017

Which is too many. Sorry, man, you might accept that as the "Cost of compensating for your tiny dick", but the rest of us... don't.

Those who shoot them are also being punished, after due process and being proven guilty. Your emotional rant has nothing to do with justice and everything to do with punishing those you don't like who have never committed a crime. Thankfully, your opinion doesn't count.

Again, guy, the rest of us are getting a little sick and tired of watching children come out of schools in body bags. Someone needs to be held accountable. Make the gun industry pay, and you will be amazed how fast they become responsible.

 

[hadit]

Yes...in a country of 320 million people, 12 shootings in 2017

Which is too many. Sorry, man, you might accept that as the "Cost of compensating for your tiny dick", but the rest of us... don't.

Those who shoot them are also being punished, after due process and being proven guilty. Your emotional rant has nothing to do with justice and everything to do with punishing those you don't like who have never committed a crime. Thankfully, your opinion doesn't count.

Again, guy, the rest of us are getting a little sick and tired of watching children come out of schools in body bags. Someone needs to be held accountable. Make the gun industry pay, and you will be amazed how fast they become responsible.

So let those who are the last line of defense for the kids have something a little more effective than erasers to throw at a gunman walking through the door. Now, how exactly do you think a manufacturer is going to become "responsible" when their completely legal product is out of their control?

Face it, you're just going after the deepest pockets. You're not even concerned about the individual who actually pulled the trigger. You act like he's just an innocent victim of the big, scary looking black gun.

 

[2aguy]

Yes...in a country of 320 million people, 12 shootings in 2017

Which is too many. Sorry, man, you might accept that as the "Cost of compensating for your tiny dick", but the rest of us... don't.

Those who shoot them are also being punished, after due process and being proven guilty. Your emotional rant has nothing to do with justice and everything to do with punishing those you don't like who have never committed a crime. Thankfully, your opinion doesn't count.

Again, guy, the rest of us are getting a little sick and tired of watching children come out of schools in body bags. Someone needs to be held accountable. Make the gun industry pay, and you will be amazed how fast they become responsible.

Considering more children are put into body bags because of cars......rather than guns, yet you don't want to ban cars....?

Accidental deaths...

Fatal Injury Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2017.... Kids (<1 - 14)

Guns....62

Cars...1,208

Underage Drinking-Why Do Adolescents Drink, What Are the Risks, and How Can Underage Drinking Be Prevented?

Each year, approximately 5,000 young people under the age of 21 die as a result of underage drinking; this includes about 1,900 deaths from motor vehicle crashes, 1,600 as a result of homicides, 300 from suicide, as well as hundreds from other injuries such as falls, burns, and drownings (1–5)

 

[2aguy]

Yes...in a country of 320 million people, 12 shootings in 2017

Which is too many. Sorry, man, you might accept that as the "Cost of compensating for your tiny dick", but the rest of us... don't.

Those who shoot them are also being punished, after due process and being proven guilty. Your emotional rant has nothing to do with justice and everything to do with punishing those you don't like who have never committed a crime. Thankfully, your opinion doesn't count.

Again, guy, the rest of us are getting a little sick and tired of watching children come out of schools in body bags. Someone needs to be held accountable. Make the gun industry pay, and you will be amazed how fast they become responsible.

Total gun murder number for children...? Again, ban cars, not guns...

Cars.....5,000 gun murder? 319 and the majority of those children murdered with guns? Are teenage members of criminal drug gangs shot because of criminal activity....

Fatal Injury Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2017, gun murder...319

<1...12
1-4...44
5-9...78
10-14...185

other means
<1-14..680

 

[JoeB131]

So let those who are the last line of defense for the kids have something a little more effective than erasers to throw at a gunman walking through the door. Now, how exactly do you think a manufacturer is going to become "responsible" when their completely legal product is out of their control?

Again- Europe has gun control, they don't have school shootings... imagine that.

Very simple. They get control over who they are selling to or they get sued out of business. I'm pretty good with either.. I'm probably a little better with them getting sued out of business.

 

[JoeB131]

Total gun murder number for children...? Again, ban cars, not guns...

we need cars. We don't need guns.

 

[Blues Man]

Yes...in a country of 320 million people, 12 shootings in 2017

Which is too many. Sorry, man, you might accept that as the "Cost of compensating for your tiny dick", but the rest of us... don't.

Those who shoot them are also being punished, after due process and being proven guilty. Your emotional rant has nothing to do with justice and everything to do with punishing those you don't like who have never committed a crime. Thankfully, your opinion doesn't count.

Again, guy, the rest of us are getting a little sick and tired of watching children come out of schools in body bags. Someone needs to be held accountable. Make the gun industry pay, and you will be amazed how fast they become responsible.

Will you grow up.

Childish penis references do nothing but illustrate your own immaturity.

I bet you still giggle when someone says boobie

 

[Blues Man]

Total gun murder number for children...? Again, ban cars, not guns...

we need cars. We don't need guns.

It's not up to you to tell anyone else hat they need

But let's talk facts.

Legal gun ownership does not add to the crime or murder rate and the safety record of legal gun owners is stellar compared to any other product or activity

 

[hadit]

So let those who are the last line of defense for the kids have something a little more effective than erasers to throw at a gunman walking through the door. Now, how exactly do you think a manufacturer is going to become "responsible" when their completely legal product is out of their control?

Again- Europe has gun control, they don't have school shootings... imagine that.

Very simple. They get control over who they are selling to or they get sued out of business. I'm pretty good with either.. I'm probably a little better with them getting sued out of business.

Manufacturers sell to dealers, they don't sell to random thugs. You know that.

 

[JoeB131]

Will you grow up.

Childish penis references do nothing but illustrate your own immaturity.

I bet you still giggle when someone says boobie

Naw, I giggle when someone says, "Defensive Gun Use", you know that guy's compensating.

Legal gun ownership does not add to the crime or murder rate and the safety record of legal gun owners is stellar compared to any other product or activity

We have 33,000 gun deaths... 78,000 gun injuries, 400,000 gun crimes and 270 BILLION in economic losses every year because of guns. not to mention the "Security State" apparatus of "Active Shooter Drills" that we all have to live with because you never tell which "Legal" gun owner might decide to off the boss.

 

[Blues Man]

Will you grow up.

Childish penis references do nothing but illustrate your own immaturity.

I bet you still giggle when someone says boobie

Naw, I giggle when someone says, "Defensive Gun Use", you know that guy's compensating.

Legal gun ownership does not add to the crime or murder rate and the safety record of legal gun owners is stellar compared to any other product or activity

We have 33,000 gun deaths... 78,000 gun injuries, 400,000 gun crimes and 270 BILLION in economic losses every year because of guns. not to mention the "Security State" apparatus of "Active Shooter Drills" that we all have to live with because you never tell which "Legal" gun owner might decide to off the boss.

Suicide is not a crime.

And you have never once linked to how you come up with 270 billion so it's most likely bullshit like most of your posts

Most crimes are committed with illegally obtained firearms
Most murders are criminal killing other criminals

Legally owned guns do not add to the crime or murder rates

 

[hadit]

Total gun murder number for children...? Again, ban cars, not guns...

we need cars. We don't need guns.

But you don't need to drive fast. If we prevent cars from moving faster than 35 mph, lots of lives would be saved.

 

[JoeB131]

And you have never once linked to how you come up with 270 billion so it's most likely bullshit like most of your posts

Here's How Much Gun Violence Is Costing You a Year | HuffPost

In collaboration with online publication Mother Jones, Miller conducted extensive research on the cost of gun violence in America. His conclusion? Gun violence costs the U.S. $229 billion a year, or about $700 per American.

The cost of gun violence in the U.S. can be broken down into two different categories: direct costs and indirect costs — or “out-of-pocket costs and costs attributed to lost wages, pain, suffering and quality of life,” said Miller.

 

[JoeB131]

But you don't need to drive fast. If we prevent cars from moving faster than 35 mph, lots of lives would be saved.

Good point. Most roads have a 35 MPH Speed limit... thanks for proving my point.

 

[Rustic]

Total gun murder number for children...? Again, ban cars, not guns...

we need cars. We don't need guns.

Lol
Firearm ownership is an right, Vehicle ownership is not an right...
You stupid ass motherfucker