If You are Pro-Choice, can You be a Conservative?

[Toro]

We have a new member to USMB.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/health-and-lifestyle/79492-pro-choice-conservative.html

I would like to welcome boxcargirl to this little corner of the Internet.

Her intro got me wondering. She claims to be a conservative and and is pro-choice. In most western nations, you can be a conservative and be pro-choice. But what about America?

Can you be pro-choice and be a conservative?

 

[Ravi]

If you mean social conservative, no. But actual conservatives are pro-choice...not that many of them exist these days.

 

[DamnYankee]

See what happens when you don't participate in every life/choice discussion?

 

[necritan]

If you mean social conservative, no. But actual conservatives are pro-choice...not that many of them exist these days.

That is a bullshit response.

Abortion is a scientific arguement....wtf does that have to do with conservatism??

Some believe it is a human life...some do not.

 

[Immanuel]

I'd have to ask what her definition of "pro-choice" is. I am pro-choice as well. I believe a woman has a choice too, but the choice of bearing a child must be made before the conception of that child. Others believe in different definitions of choice while many believe a woman should have the right to kill a child at any time during a pregnancy.

Can you be socially conservative and pro-choice? Maybe the best one could do is claim to lean toward the conservative point of view in most cases, but not in the case of abortion.

Immie

 

[Tinktink]

I know a lot of folks that are conservative, and support pro-choice.

 

[Immanuel]

I just read the thread where she introduces herself as a "pro-choice conservative". As I said earlier, it depends upon her definition of "pro-choice" and she doesn't seem to be pro-choice in the traditional sense of the phrase. The traditional sense of the phrase is that there is only one choice and that is the right to choose abortion. Boxcar Girl listed the idea of choosing adoption as well as raising the child and made it plain that she believes that women in crisis pregnancies should be given all the options. That clearly is not the traditional viewpoint of the "pro-choice" world.

Immie

 

["b0xcar*girl*]

We have a new member to USMB.

I would like to welcome boxcargirl to this little corner of the Internet.

Her intro got me wondering. She claims to be a conservative and and is pro-choice. In most western nations, you can be a conservative and be pro-choice. But what about America?

Can you be pro-choice and be a conservative?

Perhaps I should clarify my definition of "pro-choice." I am pro-life, in that I believe abortion is the taking of innocent human life, but, as in "pro-choice" I think a woman should be educated on all available decisions and the cooresponding responsibilities as stated in my thread. Not just told the only "way out" is abortion.

And yes, I imagine there are conservatives which support abortion. Just as there are liberals which oppose abortion.

 

[Tinktink]

We have a new member to USMB.

I would like to welcome boxcargirl to this little corner of the Internet.

Her intro got me wondering. She claims to be a conservative and and is pro-choice. In most western nations, you can be a conservative and be pro-choice. But what about America?

Can you be pro-choice and be a conservative?

Perhaps I should clarify my definition of "pro-choice." I am pro-life, in that I believe abortion is the taking of innocent human life, but, as in "pro-choice" I think a woman should be educated on all available decisions and the cooresponding responsibilities as stated in my thread. Not just told the only "way out" is abortion.

And yes, I imagine there are conservatives which support abortion. Just as there are liberals which oppose abortion.

What makes you think they aren't?

 

[Political Junky]

A Libertarian would be a pro-choice conservative.

 

[Oddball]

A Libertarian would be a pro-choice conservative.

See!?!?!?!????....Stereotyping isn't just for republitards....demodipshits can join in too!!!

 

[Navy1960]

First welcome boxcargirl, and yes I am "pro-choice" I won't have anyone telling me I cannot drink my coffee in the morning. Of course if by conservative you mean, supports a Govt. that knows it's constitutional duties and performs them and is fiscially conservative and spends money on programs to supports it's constitutional duties which do not include mandating laws that regulate the physical bodies of it's citizens. If these citizens break the laws of the land and that includes ALL of them then they should be subject to it's penalties as well and on a personal level boxcargirl I believe that common sense went out the window a long time ago in this debate. So in answer to your question of course a person can be anything they choose to be, and that includes "pro-choice" and a conservative the hard part is actually being it, the easy part is saying it. If you look at the word Liberal in it's true form and have talked on this topic before as well, in it's true form a liberal is actually someone would want less Govt. controls and not more of them. So in that sense the modern liberal is more of a neo-socialist.

 

[Oddball]

Roe v. Wade being bad interpretation of constitutional law = Conservative.

Ergo abortion law should be left to the states, irregardless of their end policies = Conservative.

Abhorring federal law over what is clearly a states powers issue = Conservative.

Swaying people through reason rather than compulsion = Conservative.

 

[Toro]

So far, it is 10:1 in favor, a good development.

 

[Toro]

Perhaps I should clarify my definition of "pro-choice." I am pro-life, in that I believe abortion is the taking of innocent human life, but, as in "pro-choice" I think a woman should be educated on all available decisions and the cooresponding responsibilities as stated in my thread. Not just told the only "way out" is abortion.

And yes, I imagine there are conservatives which support abortion. Just as there are liberals which oppose abortion.

I am pro-life as well though I have no opinion on whether or not abortion should be banned.

 

["b0xcar*girl*]

We have a new member to USMB.

I would like to welcome boxcargirl to this little corner of the Internet.

Her intro got me wondering. She claims to be a conservative and and is pro-choice. In most western nations, you can be a conservative and be pro-choice. But what about America?

Can you be pro-choice and be a conservative?

Perhaps I should clarify my definition of "pro-choice." I am pro-life, in that I believe abortion is the taking of innocent human life, but, as in "pro-choice" I think a woman should be educated on all available decisions and the cooresponding responsibilities as stated in my thread. Not just told the only "way out" is abortion.

And yes, I imagine there are conservatives which support abortion. Just as there are liberals which oppose abortion.

And I think parents of teenages and the dads should be involved.

 

["b0xcar*girl*]

First welcome boxcargirl, and yes I am "pro-choice" I won't have anyone telling me I cannot drink my coffee in the morning. Of course if by conservative you mean, supports a Govt. that knows it's constitutional duties and performs them and is fiscially conservative and spends money on programs to supports it's constitutional duties which do not include mandating laws that regulate the physical bodies of it's citizens. If these citizens break the laws of the land and that includes ALL of them then they should be subject to it's penalties as well and on a personal level boxcargirl I believe that common sense went out the window a long time ago in this debate. So in answer to your question of course a person can be anything they choose to be, and that includes "pro-choice" and a conservative the hard part is actually being it, the easy part is saying it. If you look at the word Liberal in it's true form and have talked on this topic before as well, in it's true form a liberal is actually someone would want less Govt. controls and not more of them. So in that sense the modern liberal is more of a neo-socialist.

I'm going to do some looking up on this neo-socialist. Thanks for your excellent observation!!!!! Everything in life is easier said than done, and common sense disappeared ages ago. Ever read the common sense obituary???????

 

[Oddball]

I am pro-life as well though I have no opinion on whether or not abortion should be banned.

I'm from the Harry Browne school....

If there were a federal law against abortion, within ten years men would be having them.

 

[GHook93]

I am strongly pro-choice in the 1st trimester and I consider myself conservative on fiscal issues and tend to lean Republican!

 

["b0xcar*girl*]

Perhaps I should clarify my definition of "pro-choice." I am pro-life, in that I believe abortion is the taking of innocent human life, but, as in "pro-choice" I think a woman should be educated on all available decisions and the cooresponding responsibilities as stated in my thread. Not just told the only "way out" is abortion.

And yes, I imagine there are conservatives which support abortion. Just as there are liberals which oppose abortion.

I am pro-life as well though I have no opinion on whether or not abortion should be banned.

I am not too sure on the banning of abortion myself. Because if it were to be, people would just go out to the alley with a coat hanger. Or tell someone to punch them in the stomach.

I think it could all just be handled better, preferably through understanding the consequences of sex (that being possible heartache and pregnancy, not to mention STDs). Lots of issues in life boil down to a lack of common sense, lack of morality to base one's common sense upon, and not feeling ultimately responsible to a higher authority.