If you are HONEST, you are AGNOSTIC

[Vandalshandle]

Not until you tell me where Jerry Falwell went.

Why would I pretend to know?

You're the one worried about it. What proof do you have where he went?

I have no idea where he went, but before I choose heaven or hell, I demand to know where he is!

 

[Slyhunter]

You are confusing arrogance with honesty about ignorance.
To be dishonest and pretend you know something beyond your experiences or rational perceptions of knowledge is arrogant.

No, I am claiming that it is arrogant to claim to know what someone believes more than they do. If someone does not believe in any god, they are, by definition, and atheist. To claim that they are an agnostic is arrogant and insulting.

I am not claiming to know what others believe!-
I am simply saying that if you/others are not honest about your ignorance and claim knowledge of a god, then YOU claimants are arrogant ... OR put up your evidence.

An ignostic (don’t know) is also a weak atheist (no belief). If you admit ignorance, then you have no belief ... if you are honest and logical.

I am very honest. I do not believe in any deity or god. That, by definition, is an atheist.

But you can't prove that as fact either. There might be one. Not necessarily the one from the Bible, but a energy driven being of immense capacity who rules all the other souls. ie. a God.

Doesn't matter. The definition of an atheist is someone who does not BELIEVE in God. There is no proof, one way or the other. And just like a Christian doesn't need proof, neither do I.

If your mind is unchangeable, what the **** are you doing here?

 

[keepitreal]

My beliefs, what’s in my mind, led me to faith
in a creator, not the other way around

A very honest thing to say. I like your honesty. At least you didn't claim evidence.

I don’t believe in creation because of faith based beliefs
I believe in a Creator because my common sense

Which is just another eay of saying, "faith". By the way, common sense is usually wrong. Thats why we invented empiricism.

Lol...common sense is usually wrong?

 

[MAGAman]

If that were true, why do you bother to argue?

Why do you? You have 100%, unshakable faith, which is belief without evidence. You have no evidence, nor could any evidence or argument shake you from your faith.

That doesn't make you immune to someone pointing out that something you say appears to be utter nonsense. It just gives you license to believe any utter nonsense that suits you.

Since you have no proof I'm wrong, your emotional objection is based on nothing but your faith in Athiesm.

Try to think about it rationally.

If someone had faith in Santa Claus, The Tooth Fairy, or Global Warming, would it make you this angry?

 

[Likkmee]

God has saved me so many times nothing else would be possible. I still wonder why ? I ask.... in Yeshuas name, it happens.

 

[WinterBorn]

No, I am claiming that it is arrogant to claim to know what someone believes more than they do. If someone does not believe in any god, they are, by definition, and atheist. To claim that they are an agnostic is arrogant and insulting.

I am not claiming to know what others believe!-
I am simply saying that if you/others are not honest about your ignorance and claim knowledge of a god, then YOU claimants are arrogant ... OR put up your evidence.

An ignostic (don’t know) is also a weak atheist (no belief). If you admit ignorance, then you have no belief ... if you are honest and logical.

I am very honest. I do not believe in any deity or god. That, by definition, is an atheist.

But you can't prove that as fact either. There might be one. Not necessarily the one from the Bible, but a energy driven being of immense capacity who rules all the other souls. ie. a God.

Doesn't matter. The definition of an atheist is someone who does not BELIEVE in God. There is no proof, one way or the other. And just like a Christian doesn't need proof, neither do I.

If your mind is unchangeable, what the **** are you doing here?

I didn't say my mind was unchangeable. I said being an atheist is not about proof.

 

[ding]

You are confusing arrogance with honesty about ignorance.
To be dishonest and pretend you know something beyond your experiences or rational perceptions of knowledge is arrogant.

No, I am claiming that it is arrogant to claim to know what someone believes more than they do. If someone does not believe in any god, they are, by definition, and atheist. To claim that they are an agnostic is arrogant and insulting.

I am not claiming to know what others believe!-
I am simply saying that if you/others are not honest about your ignorance and claim knowledge of a god, then YOU claimants are arrogant ... OR put up your evidence.

An ignostic (don’t know) is also a weak atheist (no belief). If you admit ignorance, then you have no belief ... if you are honest and logical.

I am very honest. I do not believe in any deity or god. That, by definition, is an atheist.

But you can't prove that as fact either. There might be one. Not necessarily the one from the Bible, but a energy driven being of immense capacity who rules all the other souls. ie. a God.

Doesn't matter. The definition of an atheist is someone who does not BELIEVE in God. There is no proof, one way or the other. And just like a Christian doesn't need proof, neither do I.

Anyone who has a personal relationship with the creator has proof of God. That would include Christians.

 

[MAGAman]

God has saved me so many times nothing else would be possible. I still wonder why ? I ask.... in Yeshuas name, it happens.

Grace.

If we only received what we deserved, we'd all be in Hell.

 

[MAGAman]

I didn't say my mind was unchangeable. I said being an atheist is not about proof.

Then it's about faith.

 

[WinterBorn]

No, I am claiming that it is arrogant to claim to know what someone believes more than they do. If someone does not believe in any god, they are, by definition, and atheist. To claim that they are an agnostic is arrogant and insulting.

I am not claiming to know what others believe!-
I am simply saying that if you/others are not honest about your ignorance and claim knowledge of a god, then YOU claimants are arrogant ... OR put up your evidence.

An ignostic (don’t know) is also a weak atheist (no belief). If you admit ignorance, then you have no belief ... if you are honest and logical.

I am very honest. I do not believe in any deity or god. That, by definition, is an atheist.

But you can't prove that as fact either. There might be one. Not necessarily the one from the Bible, but a energy driven being of immense capacity who rules all the other souls. ie. a God.

Doesn't matter. The definition of an atheist is someone who does not BELIEVE in God. There is no proof, one way or the other. And just like a Christian doesn't need proof, neither do I.

Anyone who has a personal relationship with the creator has proof of God. That would include Christians.

And that relationship started with faith, not proof.

 

[MAGAman]

And that relationship started with faith, not proof.

No, it started with proof.

Open your eyes and look at what God has given you.

Have you witnessed your child being born? A sunrise? An old family pet sleeping next to you? A waterfall? A starry night?

You really think all that just happened by accident?

 

[WinterBorn]

And that relationship started with faith, not proof.

No, it started with proof.

Open your eyes and look at what God has given you.

Have you witnessed your child being born? A sunrise? An old family pet sleeping next to you? A waterfall? A starry night?

You really think all that just happened by accident?

Thinking it couldn't happen by accident is not having proof of a God.

 

[Taz]

To see proves god is real.

What about blind people, did god **** them up on purpose?

You mean like homosexuals?

Even if being gay was a handicap, so why did god make them?

Same reason he made those with Down Syndrome. To test us. Now did we flunk out because we didn't cull the weak from the herd, or did we flunk out because we were inhumane and had no empathy for them?

So god makes handicapped people on purpose just as a test? That's totally moronic.

 

[Taz]

To see proves god is real.

What about blind people, did god **** them up on purpose?

You mean like homosexuals?

Even if being gay was a handicap, so why did god make them?

One does not make a homo, it is a choice.

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I got a hardon petting a cat. I'm attracted to cats. I chose not to **** any though. My brain rules me not my animal instincts.

I love High School Cheerleaders. Always loved them since I was 12 years old. I'm 54 now and if I showed my desires publicly they would castige me. But I still think they are beautiful and fuckable. I hate old ladies. I'm single and sexless, but that's my problem.

The point is I didn't make the choice of who or what I'm attracted to. While some Homos made a choice between a woman with a headache who won't **** to a man who'll say **** the headache but make it fast. If you can get past the gross anal sex, or the hairy bodies which make me want to puke, I can understand why one would say forget women and take on guys. Women are too complicated. The rest were born that way like I was born to like Cats.

So why did god make you into bestiality?

 

[Wyatt earp]

To see proves god is real.

What about blind people, did god **** them up on purpose?

You mean like homosexuals?

Even if being gay was a handicap, so why did god make them?

Same reason he made those with Down Syndrome. To test us. Now did we flunk out because we didn't cull the weak from the herd, or did we flunk out because we were inhumane and had no empathy for them?

So god makes handicapped people on purpose just as a test? That's totally moronic.

And you failed the test because you abort them.


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[ding]

I am not claiming to know what others believe!-
I am simply saying that if you/others are not honest about your ignorance and claim knowledge of a god, then YOU claimants are arrogant ... OR put up your evidence.

An ignostic (don’t know) is also a weak atheist (no belief). If you admit ignorance, then you have no belief ... if you are honest and logical.

I am very honest. I do not believe in any deity or god. That, by definition, is an atheist.

But you can't prove that as fact either. There might be one. Not necessarily the one from the Bible, but a energy driven being of immense capacity who rules all the other souls. ie. a God.

Doesn't matter. The definition of an atheist is someone who does not BELIEVE in God. There is no proof, one way or the other. And just like a Christian doesn't need proof, neither do I.

Anyone who has a personal relationship with the creator has proof of God. That would include Christians.

And that relationship started with faith, not proof.

Not for me it didn’t.

 

[Taz]

You mean like homosexuals?

Even if being gay was a handicap, so why did god make them?

I don't think homosexuality is a handicap.

But to your point why would God make everyone the same?

Everyone has the desire to sin, otherwise Faith, Obedience, Character, and Honor wouldn't be necessary.[/QUOTE]
So god made sin so you'd obey him?

 

[Taz]

What about blind people, did god **** them up on purpose?

You mean like homosexuals?

Even if being gay was a handicap, so why did god make them?

Same reason he made those with Down Syndrome. To test us. Now did we flunk out because we didn't cull the weak from the herd, or did we flunk out because we were inhumane and had no empathy for them?

So god makes handicapped people on purpose just as a test? That's totally moronic.

And you failed the test because you abort them.


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I'm asking WHY god makes people fucked up, like, deformed, retarded, having Down's...

Btw, I'm for choice. People can make up their own minds because it's not my problem and not my business.

 

[Wyatt earp]

You mean like homosexuals?

Even if being gay was a handicap, so why did god make them?

Same reason he made those with Down Syndrome. To test us. Now did we flunk out because we didn't cull the weak from the herd, or did we flunk out because we were inhumane and had no empathy for them?

So god makes handicapped people on purpose just as a test? That's totally moronic.

And you failed the test because you abort them.


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I'm asking WHY god makes people fucked up, like, deformed, retarded, having Down's...

Btw, I'm for choice. People can make up their own minds because it's not my problem and not my business.

And I answered your own question because people failed GODs test and aborted them.


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[Taz]

Even if being gay was a handicap, so why did god make them?

Same reason he made those with Down Syndrome. To test us. Now did we flunk out because we didn't cull the weak from the herd, or did we flunk out because we were inhumane and had no empathy for them?

So god makes handicapped people on purpose just as a test? That's totally moronic.

And you failed the test because you abort them.


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I'm asking WHY god makes people fucked up, like, deformed, retarded, having Down's...

Btw, I'm for choice. People can make up their own minds because it's not my problem and not my business.

And I answered your own question because people failed GODs test and aborted them.


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So god makes the deformed because we abort some of them? Huh?