If you are black, and you believe...

[Zincwarrior]

Pull the pdf and show me the text. The onus is on you to substantiate this claim.

If the bill gave him that kind of power, passing it would give a Democrat the same power, in such case, that would be highly ill-advised, and something Dems in Congress would likely be piling on to support.

No. The onus is on you to research and support your own OP. You are just trolling.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Yes, that was me telling you I wasn't interested in your strawman. With a little effort, you could deduce that I was calling your claim bullshit.


But I am happy to walk you through this.

Feel free to address the point i made earlier, if you are up to it.

No that's your language for "I surrender."

Of course, I accept.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Read the bill. I have. Fix the problems and it could pass. But the problems are the point.

You cant expect a man to be informed on the topic he starts a thread on. Lighten up.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

No that's your language for "I surrender."

Funny,it's you who avoided my.point entirely. In a thread you started, no less. You seem a bit confused as to who is rolling up in a ball and sucking his thumb.

Hint: It's you

 

[TemplarKormac]

No. The onus is on you to research and support your own OP. You are just trolling.

You made the claim, you support the claim with your own evidence, or simply admit you lied to me.

 

[cnm]

Hold on just a minute.

I didn't hear "some," the common screed was "all."

Show that common screed.

 

[Rawley]

Read the bill. I have.

I have. There's nothing in there about the Federal gvt running a "system test"

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/22/text

Fix the problems and it could pass. But the problems are the point.

 

[Zincwarrior]

You made the claim, you support the claim with your own evidence, or simply admit you lied to me.

You made the ORIGINAL CLAIM. You haven't read your own bill.

 

[cnm]

Oh? 80% of the American public support the bill.

I'd show you a poll but you'd dismiss it.

Ah. Republican poll, is it?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Under the SAVE ACT the Trump Fed could unilaterally declare that all registered independents failed their system test and kick them off voter lists three days before the election, without recourse.

This is correct. There are no safeguards, and they can do this right up to elections. So the damage could not be reversed, even if someone won a lawsuit later.

 

[Zincwarrior]

I have. There's nothing in there about the Federal gvt running a "system test"

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/22/text

Then you didn't read it. The feds review all registration lists under this for supposed ineligible voters. No timeline, no method of recourse by the voter.

 

[cnm]

What a system.

What a country.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Most Americans don't know what is in that horrible bill.

Then it's safe to surmise that includes you.

Source?

As for the source, one of the key provisions in the bill is a voter ID requirement, which all mainstream polling (Gallup, Pew, Rasmussen) showed enjoys 75-80% approval.

https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2025/08/PP_2025.8.22_voting-policy_topline.pdf

Questions - Voter ID - January 26-28, 2025 - Rasmussen Reports®

www.rasmussenreports.com

Americans Endorse Both Early Voting and Voter Verification

Majorities of Americans favor election law policies that expand voters' access to the ballot box and limit election fraud.

news.gallup.com

 

[TemplarKormac]

Then you didn't read it. The feds review all registration lists under this for supposed ineligible voters. No timeline, no method of recourse by the voter.

And this, since you have read it, it's why it is incumbent on you to post the part of the bill which says that.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Ah. Republican poll, is it?

No. See my post to Alicia.

 

[Rawley]

Then you didn't read it.

I have. I gave you the link to the bill

The feds review all registration lists under this for supposed ineligible voters. No timeline, no method of recourse by the voter.

No idea what you are talking about zinc. There is nothing in there about the Feds reviewing registrations lists. Can you give us a cite to the section you think contains this review?

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/22/text

 

[TemplarKormac]

You made the ORIGINAL CLAIM. You haven't read your own bill.

And you made a factual counter claim you have yet to substantiate. You can't expect me to do your footwork friend.

 

[Darkwind]

Any new restrictions will disenfranchise some voters.

And until the right wing liars prove that in-person voting fraud is actually a significant problem, it's not worth possibly disenfrachising even one single voter.

So you can toss out all of your pre-programmed talking points, because it just boils down to this.

And especially given the recent lies of the right wingers, not a single inch should be given to them on this, until the paid liars who fooled the gullible right wingers about election fraud publicly apologize and admit they lied.

Not one citizen will be denied their right to vote under the SAVE Act.

Not a single one.

 

[TemplarKormac]

In tests of the system, error rates are hovering at 12-14%. Meaning, 12% of the viters identified as ineligible are actually eligible.

Republicans dont care. That's a BONUS, as far as they are concerned. The entire point is to reduce turnout, which they believe favors the GOP. So this is like gravy, to them.

Ah.

https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMg_a94c9c36-be02-427a-a04e-bda50fc65e24

 

[TemplarKormac]

Ah. This takes me back to the old TK days. But I'm not the old TK. Just old.