If we won the war why is Iran making demands before an end to the war?

[Man With A Plan]

Iran sends two different messages. One for the negotiations and the opposite to its people ro cover up how weak the regime is and prevent a revolution.

The people negotiating for Iran know that they need to cut a deal but are all terrified that the hard liners in the IRGC will accuse them of betraying the Islamic Republic. They're in an awful spot. If they do what they know they should do...the IRGC will jail them or worse.

 

[JoeB131]

The Iranian regime is done. They have no income coming in from oil revenues. Their currency is worthless. Their military is crippled. They have no gas. They have no food. They don't even have water!

But the reason that the IRGC is done is what they have done to the Iranian people! For decades the IRGC have plundered the Iranian economy to enrich themselves but also to support their proxy networks...Hezbollah, Hamas and the Houthis...as well as fund a nuclear weapon program that has made them the focus of crippling sanctions.

They're also done because their two main backers...China and Russia...have turned their backs on them.

Wow you are delusional.

Gasoline is $5.17 a gallon by me right now.

 

[JoeB131]

We have the means and power to flatten the whole nation back to the stone age if needed.
The issue is if we have the resolve to go that far.

Too many Americans oppose doing what is necessary (as seen with Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan) to win on terms favorable to the USA.

Our leadership is also on a similar horns of a dilemma since we aren't out to destroy the nation, just remove the theocratic regime. How much of the Iranian public wants such and is willing to support us in such an endeavor appears to be the conundrum of the moment.

The problem is, nothing we are doing is "necessary".

The Iranians have a form of government we don't like.
That's their prerogative.

The problem is we haven't learned anything from Vietnam, much less Iraq or Afghanistan.

Our leaders knew that if there had been a national election in Vietnam, Ho Chi Minh would have won, hands down, over the French quislings we were propping up. But we kept trying to prop up one thug after another, spent billions of dollars, lost tens of thousands of lives (and killed millions), and when the Quisling Regime was left to its own devices, it fell in 55 days.

Now, could we nuke Iran into "submission"? Sure. And then China nukes Taiwan and Russia nukes Ukraine, because all the rules will be out the window.

 

[Bad Bob]

What part of over 40 years Iran has been declaring war on America don't you understand?

You just ran from the question. LOL

I was in the service when Iran fell and the hostage crisis took place including the Desert One debacle. I'm fully aware of both the history and the problems associated with the area. Problems that even a dumbass MAGAt should be able to understand as they are pumping $100 of gas into their pick up truck and trying to feed their kids.

 

[Bad Bob]

Wow you are delusional.

Gasoline is $5.17 a gallon by me right now.

It adds weight to the observation that all MAGAts are delusional, dishonest or both.

 

[Bad Bob]

Trump had Dem congress and impeachment trials preoccupying him. Also, he was used to giving orders negotiating with people who liked making money and didn't know how to deal with an anti-trump congress.

Nice try. No doubt the stupid and gullible will swallow that excuse without realizing that the first impreachment was December 2019, almost three years into his first term.

The MAGA morons screaming Iran has been at war with us for 40 years all turn a blind eye to the fact Donald Trump did nothing about it in his first term.

 

[Slyhunter]

The problem is, nothing we are doing is "necessary".

The Iranians have a form of government we don't like.
That's their prerogative.

The problem is we haven't learned anything from Vietnam, much less Iraq or Afghanistan.

Our leaders knew that if there had been a national election in Vietnam, Ho Chi Minh would have won, hands down, over the French quislings we were propping up. But we kept trying to prop up one thug after another, spent billions of dollars, lost tens of thousands of lives (and killed millions), and when the Quisling Regime was left to its own devices, it fell in 55 days.

Now, could we nuke Iran into "submission"? Sure. And then China nukes Taiwan and Russia nukes Ukraine, because all the rules will be out the window.

So Iran gets the nuke a regime that believes in the 12th imam, then what?

http://worldnews.about.com/od/iran/f/12thimam.htm

 

[Slyhunter]

Nice try. No doubt the stupid and gullible will swallow that excuse without realizing that the first impreachment was December 2019, almost three years into his first term.

The MAGA morons screaming Iran has been at war with us for 40 years all turn a blind eye to the fact Donald Trump did nothing about it in his first term.

Trump, not a Politician, was ignorant of his true power then.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Nice try. No doubt the stupid and gullible will swallow that excuse without realizing that the first impreachment was December 2019, almost three years into his first term.

The MAGA morons screaming Iran has been at war with us for 40 years all turn a blind eye to the fact Donald Trump did nothing about it in his first term.

You mean other than reimposing all of the sanctions on Iran that Barack Obama had cancelled? You mean other than killing General Qasem Soleimani?

 

[JoeB131]

So Iran gets the nuke a regime that believes in the 12th imam, then what?

I'd be more worried about a US President who thinks the Second Coming of Jesus is nigh.

Trump, not a Politician, was ignorant of his true power then.

See, you are kind of making my point. You talk about Trump in religious terms.

 

[dblack]

If we won the war why is Iran making demands before an end to the war?

Apparently Iran didn't get the memo.

 

[Stryder50]

Nice try. No doubt the stupid and gullible will swallow that excuse without realizing that the first impreachment was December 2019, almost three years into his first term.

The MAGA morons screaming Iran has been at war with us for 40 years all turn a blind eye to the fact Donald Trump did nothing about it in his first term.

Had Trump done anything like this about Iran in his first term we would have heard more of the same we currently do from the Left and other traitors to the USA, and humanity.

Plus there was less "casus belli"

Casus belli - Wikipedia​

during his first term, and many other more pressing matters. Especially fending off the kangaroo court impeachment pogroms and other obstructions thrown in the path of his administration.

You overlook that all the POTUS prior to Trump also did nothing to constrain or counter attack Iran since 1979, hence they have even greater "blame" for letting the situation fester even more.

You anti-MAGA morons are willing to be the minions of Evil and agents internal for the enemies of the USA. Your phony "patriotism" and blatant quisling traitorous actions are clearly noted.

 

[Bad Bob]

Had Trump done anything like this about Iran in his first term we would have heard more of the same we currently do from the Left and other traitors to the USA, and humanity.

Plus there was less "casus belli"

Casus belli - Wikipedia​

during his first term, and many other more pressing matters. Especially fending off the kangaroo court impeachment pogroms and other obstructions thrown in the path of his administration.

You overlook that all the POTUS prior to Trump also did nothing to constrain or counter attack Iran since 1979, hence they have even greater "blame" for letting the situation fester even more.

You anti-MAGA morons are willing to be the minions of Evil and agents internal for the enemies of the USA. Your phony "patriotism" and blatant quisling traitorous actions are clearly noted.

I Trump Defenders
No matter how big the pile of cow shit he steps in, MAGAts are there to defend him!

I'm overlooking nothing, ma'am. I've lived it.

 

[jotathought]

If we won the war why is Iran making demands before an end to the war?
Right now Iran has enriched uranium, the regime is in place as radical as ever.
The strait of Hormuz is closed.

If we have obliterated the country where do they have power to make any demands. If we hold all the cards, how can we be in this position?

By your logic, every country that negotiated after losing a war must’ve secretly won.

 

[jotathought]

Nice try. No doubt the stupid and gullible will swallow that excuse without realizing that the first impreachment was December 2019, almost three years into his first term.

The MAGA morons screaming Iran has been at war with us for 40 years all turn a blind eye to the fact Donald Trump did nothing about it in his first term.

Apparently assassinating Soleimani now counts as ‘doing nothing not to mention withdrawing from the Iran deal and maximizing sanctions — pretending nothing happen makes you sound pretty uninformed.

 

[Stryder50]

The problem is, nothing we are doing is "necessary".

The Iranians have a form of government we don't like.
That's their prerogative.

The problem is we haven't learned anything from Vietnam, much less Iraq or Afghanistan.

Our leaders knew that if there had been a national election in Vietnam, Ho Chi Minh would have won, hands down, over the French quislings we were propping up. But we kept trying to prop up one thug after another, spent billions of dollars, lost tens of thousands of lives (and killed millions), and when the Quisling Regime was left to its own devices, it fell in 55 days.

Now, could we nuke Iran into "submission"? Sure. And then China nukes Taiwan and Russia nukes Ukraine, because all the rules will be out the window.

Not surprised a traitor and threat domestic in form of traitor and agent within of our enemies would defend Islamic Jihad and one of the major nations supporting such, and targeting the USA, Israel, and West (non-Muslim world) in general.

The majority of Iranians do not have a form of government they want, nor is it one any people/nation that supports and advocates for freedom and basic human rights, such as found in our Constitution, would approve of. If they did there wouldn't have been the Green Movement several years ago your Islamist Obama turned back on and let the theocratic regime assault and oppress. We've seen similar just several months ago with the 30-40-50,000 reportedly killed, plus equal to greater numbers injured/imprisoned who also protested against the mullahs and the theocracy regime.

Any one with competent brain and skill in studying history would see that the problems in our handling of Vietnam~Iraq~Afghanistan are results of faulty plans and methods* along with letting Leftist influence how we dealt with those situations.

* alternate methods of handling those situations have been discussed in other threads and can be revisited in future.

Nuking Iran into submission isn't necessary nor advisable since we are dealing with a regime that dominated the weaponry and violence needed to suppress opposition and impose it's fundamentalist Islamic tyranny upon the populace.
We ~ USA, Israel, any other nations seeking better peace in the Middle East ~ need to arm and assist the population opposed to the theocracy to overthrow and remove it, then establish a more civic and secular republic that allows freedom for all.

 

[Bad Bob]

Apparently assassinating Soleimani now counts as ‘doing nothing not to mention withdrawing from the Iran deal and maximizing sanctions — pretending nothing happen makes you sound pretty uninformed.

Wrong, my son. Killing terrorists is fine with me. Kicking off a war that closes off the Straight isn't the same....but I'm guessing you can't grasp the difference.

I'll pray for you.

 

[Bad Bob]

Not surprised a traitor and threat domestic in form of traitor and agent within of our enemies would defend Islamic Jihad and one of the major nations supporting such, and targeting the USA, Israel, and West (non-Muslim world) in general.

The majority of Iranians do not have a form of government they want, nor is it one any people/nation that supports and advocates for freedom and basic human rights, such as found in our Constitution, would approve of. If they did there wouldn't have been the Green Movement several years ago your Islamist Obama turned back on and let the theocratic regime assault and oppress. We've seen similar just several months ago with the 30-40-50,000 reportedly killed, plus equal to greater numbers injured/imprisoned who also protested against the mullahs and the theocracy regime.

Any one with competent brain and skill in studying history would see that the problems in our handling of Vietnam~Iraq~Afghanistan are results of faulty plans and methods* along with letting Leftist influence how we dealt with those situations.

* alternate methods of handling those situations have been discussed in other threads and can be revisited in future.

Nuking Iran into submission isn't necessary nor advisable since we are dealing with a regime that dominated the weaponry and violence needed to suppress opposition and impose it's fundamentalist Islamic tyranny upon the populace.
We ~ USA, Israel, any other nations seeking better peace in the Middle East ~ need to arm and assist the population opposed to the theocracy to overthrow and remove it, then establish a more civic and secular republic that allows freedom for all.

Ruh Roh! Watch out! Angry old man with a cane is swinging!!!! LOL

 

[ElmerMudd]

By your logic, every country that negotiated after losing a war must’ve secretly won.

a negotiated peace means both sides give up some and get some. No true winner. When you win a war you get your objectives.
Trump's objective
Regime change
Eliminate Irans nuclear capabilities including their current stash of enriched uranium.

Those objectives have not happened.

 

[Bad Bob]

a negotiated peace means both sides give up some and get some. No true winner. When you win a war you get your objectives.
Trump's objective
Regime change
Eliminate Irans nuclear capabilities including their current stash of enriched uranium.

Those objectives have not happened.

President Two Weeks said he'd accept nothing less than unconditional surrender and that the main reason for the war was to obliterate Iran's ability to create nuclear weapons.