If we can't see an atom or a god, how do we 'prove' or 'disprove' these things exist, and do we even need proof?

[Blues Man]

The visible church and the spiritual church can be quite different.

Then why support the visible church at all?

I see the RCC and I see a tyrannical monarchy whose leader, the pope, is infallible that uses psychic weapons instead of bullets to impose its will and people accept it because they have been sold a bill of goods that it is not the will of the power structure of the church but the very will of GOD and they are the only ones who can enforce it. Where is the law of the Canon of the RCC written in the bible?

As if a god couldn't enforce its own will anywhere and everywhere

Why else do you think the threat of excommunication stuck so much fear into people of the past? That is an empty threat today because people know better and the weapons of the church are becoming ineffective

 

[Woodznutz]

Then why support the visible church at all?

I don't.

 

[Blues Man]

I don't.

Then you're the minority of Christians who think you don't have to belong to a church
And you can't be a Catholic if you don't obey the pope's canon