If trump Was President Right Now...

Holy shit.

I was unaware you were that delusional.

I would suggest seeking help.

Says the guy linking evidence of russian tanks in their own borders as an invasion....

Try not to be such a rube you fucking idiot

People lie in media and the internet. Doesn't look like an invasion to me, and again even if they did. They will only take the parts with majority Russian speakers or up to the river. THere is nothing there of value you peasant. It's just some arable land
 
We can say Putin would not be doing this if TRUMP was president simply because Putin didn't do this while TRUMP was president. :itsok:

Updated Mar 12, 2022
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Dean Frost
, MBA, Harvard, BA International Relations & International Economics, U.C Berkeley (1989) · Author has 7.5K answers and 24M answer views


Would Putin have invaded Ukraine if Trump were still President?
No, it’s highly unlikely Putin would have invaded Ukraine if Trump was President. National Security journalist Ed Luce said it best: "The reason Putin didn't invade Ukraine while Trump was president was because he was getting everything he wanted without firing a shot, or risking [losing] an oligarch. War is the last resort. Trump was a gift to Putin that kept on giving."
You see, Trump argued NATO was obsolete. He criticized our allies (while praising Putin). Trump abruptly cut all military aid to Ukraine and tried to keep it a secret. Then, when forced to resume it, he ordered that all anti-tank weapons but kept only in Western Ukraine (far from Russian armor). Trump also claimed that it was Ukraine who interfered in the 2016 Presidential election, not Russia. Trump also said that Crimea was part of Russia because they all spoke Russian (which I guess means all areas of the US that speak Spanish or Vietnamese or some other language belong to that country—great logic there!).
 
Trump argued that NATO needed to meet their defense spending commitments.
To protect themselves against Russia. Did he get them to increase spending?
Yes, and they had started this process before tump. He did not hammer NATO so that they could protect themselves from Russia. Here is his take on Russia and their leader, whom tump admires and supports:

Updated Mar 12, 2022
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Dean Frost
, MBA, Harvard, BA International Relations & International Economics, U.C Berkeley (1989) · Author has 7.5K answers and 24M answer views


Originally Answered: Would Putin have invaded Ukraine if Trump were still President?
No, it’s highly unlikely Putin would have invaded Ukraine if Trump was President. National Security journalist Ed Luce said it best: "The reason Putin didn't invade Ukraine while Trump was president was because he was getting everything he wanted without firing a shot, or risking [losing] an oligarch. War is the last resort. Trump was a gift to Putin that kept on giving."
You see, Trump argued NATO was obsolete. He criticized our allies (while praising Putin). Trump abruptly cut all military aid to Ukraine and tried to keep it a secret. Then, when forced to resume it, he ordered that all anti-tank weapons but kept only in Western Ukraine (far from Russian armor). Trump also claimed that it was Ukraine who interfered in the 2016 Presidential election, not Russia. Trump also said that Crimea was part of Russia because they all spoke Russian (which I guess means all areas of the US that speak Spanish or Vietnamese or some other language belong to that country—great logic there!).
 
Yes, and they had started this process before tump.

And Trump pushed them to do it faster, instead of stalling, as they did under Obama.

He did not hammer NATO so that they could protect themselves from Russia.


Why did he hammer them?

Here is his take on Russia and their leader,

Was he handing them reset buttons? Promising them too much flexibility?
 
And Trump pushed them to do it faster, instead of stalling, as they did under Obama.

He did not hammer NATO so that they could protect themselves from Russia.

Why did he hammer them?

Here is his take on Russia and their leader,

Was he handing them reset buttons? Promising them too much flexibility?
He was planning to drop out of NATO, which would please Putin. Tump said that NATO was obsolete, dues or no dues.
 
Seems that we have a bunch of right wingers with Amnesia.
Europe Needs to Push Back Against Trump
In the last three years, the Trump administration has fractured the United States’ relationship with its European partners. The most recent manifestation of this was the sudden decision to remove 9,500 U.S. troops from Germany by September, a move that sent shockwaves through NATO.

But this is just one of many instances in which the United States has shown disregard for the wishes and concerns of European partners. Despite international pushback, Washington withdrew from the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty in 2019 and this May announced its intentions to withdraw from the Open Skies Treaty.

After the bombshell revelations from former National Security Advisor John Bolton’s book, European fears of American abandonment seem more probable than ever. This includes the possibility of being trapped by the often quixotic foreign-policy decisions emanating from Washington. For example, the abrupt decision last fall to remove U.S. Special Forces from northern Syria both disheartened Kurdish forces and also caught Europe off guard. In light of this, trans-Atlantic partners are walking on eggshells with the Trump administration. But this excessive caution has serious negative consequences, as reluctance to push the United States to uphold the structures that are the backbone of European security could ultimately undermine its position and weaken the trans-Atlantic alliance. Europe should leverage American domestic support for the alliance by working with congressional leaders to secure long-term cooperation.


This is what trump was doing for all of you who seem to have amnesia. So to say that Putin would not be doing this if trump was president is laughable. Trump bought into false information about Ukraine from Putin. Remember Crowdstrike?​


“This is a fictional narrative that has been perpetrated and propagated by the Russian security services themselves,”-Fiona Hill


But if trump was president now Putin would not be doing this...

Donald Trump’s Ukraine Scandal Has Its Roots in Russia

If Donald Trump Had Won 'Russians Would Already Be in Kyiv,' John Bolton Says

Ex-White House national security advisor John Bolton suggested that former President Donald Trump would have "given Ukraine away" had he won the 2020 presidential election and was serving a second term during the current standoff with Russia.

Bolton told Newsweek that a second Trump term would likely have seen the former president double down on the conspiracy theories that poisoned his administration's ties with Kyiv and led to his first of two impeachments.

"I think he would have given Ukraine away, basically," Bolton told Newsweek. "Until they turn over that Democratic National Committee server and find out what Hunter Biden was doing in Ukraine, Ukraine was going to fend for itself."


John Bolton is no liberal.
You people were calling Bolton, Bush, and Cheney “war criminals” when Trump was writing checks to your guys and gals like Hillary, Schumer, etc.
 
Biden tried to set up his own geopolitical win, lying about an invasion of "ukraine" when clearly they were never going to invade anywhere but the Russian speaking parts

So not this would not have happened if Trump was in office simply because Trump wouldn't have come out and said "RUSSIA IS INVADING (forget Afghanistan)", escalating the situation by a factor of 100.

As happened with Obama, Putin looked at Biden and thought to himself....."you have no leverage here". Then did what he wanted. With Obama it was in Syria. With Biden it'll be eastern Ukraine. Maybe democrat presidents should just shut the fuck up about declining Russia and they wouldn't feel the need to openly spit in our eye.
It is not "just" dem presidents as you would have it.

Updated Mar 12, 2022
· Upvoted by
Dean Frost
, MBA, Harvard, BA International Relations & International Economics, U.C Berkeley (1989) · Author


Originally Answered: Would Putin have invaded Ukraine if Trump were still President?
No, it’s highly unlikely Putin would have invaded Ukraine if Trump was President. National Security journalist Ed Luce said it best: "The reason Putin didn't invade Ukraine while Trump was president was because he was getting everything he wanted without firing a shot, or risking [losing] an oligarch. War is the last resort. Trump was a gift to Putin that kept on giving."
You see, Trump argued NATO was obsolete. He criticized our allies (while praising Putin). Trump abruptly cut all military aid to Ukraine and tried to keep it a secret. Then, when forced to resume it, he ordered that all anti-tank weapons but kept only in Western Ukraine (far from Russian armor). Trump also claimed that it was Ukraine who interfered in the 2016 Presidential election, not Russia. Trump also said that Crimea was part of Russia because they all spoke Russian (which I guess means all areas of the US that speak Spanish or Vietnamese or some other language belong to that country—great logic there!)
 
He was planning to drop out of NATO, which would please Putin. Tump said that NATO was obsolete, dues or no dues.

He was planning to drop out of NATO,

Unilaterally? It's a good thing that Biden could get in there and project strength, to protect Europe.

How's Biden's strength working out for Ukraine?
 
He was planning to drop out of NATO,

Unilaterally? It's a good thing that Biden could get in there and project strength, to protect Europe.

How's Biden's strength working out for Ukraine?
It is early in the game, lamb chop, and Biden is doing just fine. Better than giving Putin a pass, eh?
 
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